Looters and arsonists, assaulters really, they fall into the dip #### catagory and rise right to the top like cream. Not a difficult concept, not sure why you're struggling with it.
But Trump!
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But Trump!
Football Jones
Footballguy
We were wondering about that around here. Great move, IMO.250 national guard activated. Law and Order.
I'm sure there'll still be a lot of business owners protecting their businesses & such, but a show of force is good.
That said, there's still potential for trouble so stay vigilant, Tulsa.
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timschochet
Footballguy
1. The protests were outside. People could space themselves from each other.
2. The rally is inside, people will be jammed up against each other.
3. The protests usually involved marching from one place to another- in other words: movement.
4. The rally will be in one place- thousands of people jammed against each other with no movement.
5. Most of the people at the protests wore masks.
6. It remains to be seen how many at the rally will wear masks. Based on what is being said anecdotally, not many.
These are obvious, VERY significant differences between the rally and the protests, so much so that any one who argues that they’re the same at this point is being deliberately disingenuous IMO.
2. The rally is inside, people will be jammed up against each other.
3. The protests usually involved marching from one place to another- in other words: movement.
4. The rally will be in one place- thousands of people jammed against each other with no movement.
5. Most of the people at the protests wore masks.
6. It remains to be seen how many at the rally will wear masks. Based on what is being said anecdotally, not many.
These are obvious, VERY significant differences between the rally and the protests, so much so that any one who argues that they’re the same at this point is being deliberately disingenuous IMO.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Football Jones
Footballguy
Yeah, lots of dynamics for sure.
If you want to talk simply health concerns, both have potential issues & fallout. Can't deny that.
But again, much of this is politics. You, me, & everyone else knows it.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Football Jones
Footballguy
Again, spare me the unity & good faith speeches. Let's get real. This went south a long time ago. Politics, man.
Let's just hope (& pray if you're inclined) we come out of this with nobody hurt from rioting, etc.
Can we all just agree on that?
Let's just hope (& pray if you're inclined) we come out of this with nobody hurt from rioting, etc.
Can we all just agree on that?
Football Jones
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Are we talking about the same thing.
Public health and safety must be a political thing?
Football Jones
Footballguy
You guys can fight amongst yourselves if you want.
Personally, I'm going to stay more positive over the next 24 hours or so & simply hope there's no significant trouble.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Football Jones
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
A rally of 19k in a packed arena is like 30 grocery stores combined into one place (something that is essential to keep open) inviting everyone to shop at exactly the same time.
Herb
Footballguy
I'm not struggling with the concept that looters and arsonists are collective a-holes. We agree on this. Everybody does. I'm not interested in a pissing match. I just find your recent crusade against hypocrisy to be, well, hypocritical. And every bit as partisan as those you tirelessly rail against. We're all guilty of it to varying degrees, i suppose. But hey, you do the you that you do so well.
Moonlight
Footballguy
Its also about leadership. Trump's refusal to wear a mask and refusal to follow and promote social distancing and safety is another example of failing to lead and failure to model responsible behavior. I would suggest that some Trump supporters will not wear masks because of his example. I also view it as cowardly on his part that those who attend his rally sign waivers relieving him of responsibility.
I can see why Trump supporters would consider it hypocrisy for others to not make as big a deal regarding the BLM or George Floyd protesters not practicing social distancing.
I offset that somewhat though as I view the BLM and George Floyd protesters actions as rage due to a filmed murder and a cry for social justice compared to a rally that is to a degree the stroking of Donald Trump's ego.
The General
Footballguy
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
Tim, these are very good and obvious points, but you know and I know that even if Trump did this in an open air arena, people would still be losing their mind over this. I personally think it is terrible, terrible decision. What we haven't seen however is the possible spike from the Floyd protests yet--so that will be worth monitoring and see where we are. If we end up with NYC or other big cities going off the rails again, any criticism of Trump needs to balanced with criticism of protesters.
This a car accident that we all can see about to happen and there is nothing we can do to stop it. There WILL be an element there that perpetrates violence against the attendees. It has happened before and it will happen in Tulsa. His campaign ads will be written for him by them.
Sad times, Man---sad times.
Moonlight
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Agreed. No violence, no property damage, no crowds, no problems. Hoping for that beyond hope. It’s not good for Tulsa, it’s not good for the country. It’s just not good at all and wish it wasn’t happening. Covid too? Just bad stuff all around. Forcing all this and it’s hard to understand why.
Doug B
Footballguy
and also unmasked, cheering, etc.My spidey sense is that the rally-goers will luck out somewhat and not much will come of this rally, COVID-wise. All hunch, no science, though. Guess we'll see.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I'll report on that. Maybe it will be higher than out in the wild.
We don't know that yet, but not wearing masks is HUGE in the USA now (nearly everywhere). Think how many millions of people aren't wearing them.
It's ok to feel however you want about the rally, but forget about the protestors, we have millions upon millions upon millions of Americans in everyday life not wearing them.
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GoBirds
Footballguy
Should be good, most of them in Minny/NYC/Seattle etc only break the health guidelines for the riots but doubt they would get on a plane. They wouldn’t fare well in the law and order crowd so it’s for the best.
I will have to admit that Trump is partially right on people wearing a mask as a signal of disapproval of him. I wear a mask when in crowded public places just to show I believe the science and like to show that I actually give a damn about other people. But yes wearing one for me is also is my way of showing people I am not one of Trump’s sheep.
kwille
Footballguy
I wouldn't doubt that we have millions upon millions upon millions of Americans in everyday life not washing their hands after taking a dump. Doesn't make not wearing a mask in a crowded public space during an ongoing pandemic somehow acceptable. It's selfish unaware behavior. No politics involved.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Football Jones
Footballguy
At least wait to see how many people aren't wearing one before railing, LOL.
I'm curious to know the age demographic at the rally. No idea.
I'm curious to know the age demographic at the rally. No idea.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Ha good luck, there could be one person that forgot their mask and the faux rage in here is going to be off the charts. Most predictable thing ever.
kwille
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
I don't think of him at all when wearing a face covering in public. All I think of it is that it's part of the price of participating in society given prevailing conditions. His concerns are not relevant.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Wait to see how many aren't wearing masks before railing.
I should have a fairly accurate report on it.
kwille
Footballguy
Wasn't referencing the rally. Was reacting to "not wearing masks is HUGE in the USA now (nearly everywhere)." I see the same thing and was commenting that I think it is crap behavior diring an ongoing pandemic and it has nothing to do with politics (unless one really wants to force that narrative).
Football Jones
Footballguy
That's fine, man.
My point is I see people railing about mask-wearing already & the rally is tomorrow.
Anyway, we'll find out soon enough.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Is this being televised nationwide or just Fox23 in Tulsa?
Anyone know?
Anyone know?
False. There are thousands protesting right now that do not agree with this. I think that is where you are struggling. But the reality is, you know this, that is the hypocrisy. Herb, thy name is hypocrisy.
It wont be nationwide on MSM TV. Fox 23 is providing a stream to anyone that wants it though. All day live coverage. Rally starts at 7pm central time.
I am betting CNN and MSNBC will broadcast bits and pieces but definitely not the whole thing. Maybe wrap it with highlights of Trump's lies and disgusting remarks.
Way over rated. I used exactly one N95 mask during this whole thing, when I was cutting tile.
Lots at stake come November. Is Biden ever coming out of the basement? Campaign differences could make all the difference. Most of us arent scared to death of the covid or the "protesters" The "protesters" could solve a bunch of your concerns by staying home though.
Football Jones
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
Right? That sounds like a bad idea. Not sure what kind of haircut you’re getting but you also sit a little closer at a stadium than my place.
Lots of frothing at the mouth going on. Spittle flying.
Whole thing seems like a big COVID buffet.
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Football Jones
Footballguy
It's on the protestors. They have a choice.
Football Jones
Footballguy
The tables are turned, essentially.
Instead of them pulling the strings & saying, 'You must obey', they're finally going to get told, 'You must obey'.
Hopefully, they see the light. Nobody here wants any trouble.
Instead of them pulling the strings & saying, 'You must obey', they're finally going to get told, 'You must obey'.
Hopefully, they see the light. Nobody here wants any trouble.
McBokonon
Footballguy
OANN is going to air it live on 5 different channels like ESPN does. One will be the normal straight angle, one will be a MAGA hat cam from Brutus Guthrie in the gallery, one will be a drone overhead shot until an attendee shoots it out of the sky thinking it’s an Antifa spy, one will be an exclusive feed into Stephen Miller eating a dead rabbit, raw with fur and everything, and the last one will be the Rudy Wander-Cam which quite frankly is the one I’ll be watching.
Football Jones
Footballguy
McBokonon
Footballguy
Yeah, but with Rudy literally anything could happen. You should at least DVR it.
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