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Trump coming to Tulsa. (1 Viewer)
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SaintsInDome2006
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roadkill1292
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Everybody has heard his tired old act, he needs new material. But mostly there's disappointment in many of his potential voters that he didn't grow into the job. POTUS is a position with the power to get things done and he squandered four years of that power tweeting out personal grievances.
I'm still pleasantly surprised that a rally in a state he carried so well failed so hard. Whether it was because of teens, potential protesters, deciding to actually socially distance for a change, I think it showed that the American people are not quite as behind Trump as he'd like to believe they are.
joffer
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at least in 2008 they saw it coming and had 2010 to plan for (redistricting, census, etc.).
i have a feeling this time they're going down with the ship and hope somehow they keep the senate
tri-man 47
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I think this could be the turning point, now that the end game is in sight in November. There’s just no way Trump will turn people in his favor. It’s clear he’s no longer invincible, so who would be jumping ON his bandwagon now?
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Brexit leader Nigel Farage was briefly denied flight boarding to attend Trump rally until the US deemed his travel as 'in the national interest'SaintsInDome2006 said:
The rules say he should self-isolate for 14 days upon return to the UK. Many Brits would prefer that he not return at all.
The General
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the moops
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How so?
This reminds me of when Howard Stern listeners made Hank the angry drunken dwarf the winner of every online poll.
ren hoek
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mrip541
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Trump legitimately being unable to fill a venue to 50% capacity in OK is the kind of enthusiasm killer that could snowball into something big. I think Trump getting trolled is the kind of thing that increases enthusiasm and gives him an easy out.
That's how my daughter was led to register for the rally. Tik-Tok 1 - Brad Parscale 0, although it may be more more complicated than that. In any event, such acts of political activism by a 51-year old grandmother and many thousands of younger people may have saved lives.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrymagid/2020/06/21/how-a-51-year-old-grandmother-and-thousands-of-teens-used-tiktok-to-derail-a-trump-rally--maybe-save-lives/#4bfee2d31a9b
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JamieMurphy
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Inflating the numbers gave the trump campaign the impression turnout would be huge. They had to set up, then break down, an overflow area when people weren't showing. This must have been a crushing blow to someone whose ego is driven by the notion of "big crowds" being an indicator of his self-worth.
Those in Tulsa and the surrounding areas may have thought, well with the attendance being so high they might not get a seat, have a higher chance of being exposed to the virus, or may have decided dealing with crowds, traffic, etc wasn't worth it.
Having grossly misjudged the attendance numbers was a huge blow to the trump campaign. I almost wonder if he's thinking this isn't worth it and bowing out.
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The General
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I could definitely see this being a scenario.
Not really a question for you but why is this an easy out for Trump. If this were what happened just makes Trump and his pep rally planners look more dumb to me.
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Joe Summer
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This is a good point. It actually reminds me of the mindset of many Democrats who stayed home in 2016. Why deal with the hassle of traffic and crowds when you know turnout is gonna be huge anyway, amirite??
Drunken Cowboy
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I was talking about this earlier today. I think the rally crowd stroking his ego is the only thing he gets out of being president. I think fear of an independent DOJ will keep him in the race, but I think he will want to quit.
Breezy H2O
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I'm just going to caution all my friends on the left that underestimating or thinking that Donald Trump is ever "done" is a huge mistake.
This feels like a repeat of 2016 where everything that was supposed to be "the end" never was.
I mean, many people think the reason that Clinton lost is because many voters thought we "had this in the bag" and didn't show up to vote election. Meanwhile, all the people the guy charged up for the latter part of the year showed up big election day.
Another thing to caution about 2016 is that Hilary Clinton's platform was less about issues and more about how evil Donald Trump was.
Trump overestimating his rally size is one to of the biggest wins the left has seen this election cycle. But if we learned anything from 2016:
1.) Donald Trump thrives as the underdog.
2.) Unless Trump doesn't have a pulse, he always has a punchers chance of the silent majority showing up.
If you're serious about getting this guy out of the White House, you go for the throat now. Don't let him do this fake news, underdog bull#### that gets his people out in numbers.
This feels like a repeat of 2016 where everything that was supposed to be "the end" never was.
I mean, many people think the reason that Clinton lost is because many voters thought we "had this in the bag" and didn't show up to vote election. Meanwhile, all the people the guy charged up for the latter part of the year showed up big election day.
Another thing to caution about 2016 is that Hilary Clinton's platform was less about issues and more about how evil Donald Trump was.
Trump overestimating his rally size is one to of the biggest wins the left has seen this election cycle. But if we learned anything from 2016:
1.) Donald Trump thrives as the underdog.
2.) Unless Trump doesn't have a pulse, he always has a punchers chance of the silent majority showing up.
If you're serious about getting this guy out of the White House, you go for the throat now. Don't let him do this fake news, underdog bull#### that gets his people out in numbers.
Breezy H2O
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Furthermore, if you look at the results from 2016 you can argue that the 40 to 65 year old vote won the election for him. Check the stats for yourself:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/631231/voter-turnout-of-the-exit-polls-of-the-2016-elections-by-age
These people are now 4 years older with doctors likely telling them NOT to leave the house, let alone attend a political rally.
Are you comfortable getting on an airplane? Are you comfortable attending an event of 500+ people? If the answer is anything else but an instant yes, then it's likely a big portion of Trump's base feels the same way.
Compound that with people aged 40 to 65 not wanting to deal with BLM / ANTIFA protests and yes, the son of a ##### does have a good chance of a silent majority coming in election day to screw us all again.
We act like 6,000 people is a small amount of people. I could be wrong but I don't think Joe Biden had support like that even before Coronavirus.
So we're pounding on our chests about how his campaign is over, when he's still drawing bigger crowds than our guy...
https://www.statista.com/statistics/631231/voter-turnout-of-the-exit-polls-of-the-2016-elections-by-age
These people are now 4 years older with doctors likely telling them NOT to leave the house, let alone attend a political rally.
Are you comfortable getting on an airplane? Are you comfortable attending an event of 500+ people? If the answer is anything else but an instant yes, then it's likely a big portion of Trump's base feels the same way.
Compound that with people aged 40 to 65 not wanting to deal with BLM / ANTIFA protests and yes, the son of a ##### does have a good chance of a silent majority coming in election day to screw us all again.
We act like 6,000 people is a small amount of people. I could be wrong but I don't think Joe Biden had support like that even before Coronavirus.
So we're pounding on our chests about how his campaign is over, when he's still drawing bigger crowds than our guy...
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BigSteelThrill
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Everyone knows this.
Republicans have won three elections (23%) while losing the votes in the past thirteen.
*but did you also caution the Trump people that have been repeating "landslide!"?????????
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Breezy H2O
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We need to focus on our side. I don't think we can win if Trump continues to dominate 90% of all news coverage.Everyone knows this.
Republicans have won three elections (23%) while losing the votes in the past thirteen.
*but did you also caution the Trump people that have been repeating "landslide!"?????????
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Yo Mama
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I read an interesting thread on twitter today from a guy who used to be a GOP campaign manager / strategist listing a number of ways the over-estimation of attendees hurt team Trump (sorry, too lazy tonight to search it out).
He mentioned your point above about people potentially being scared off by the huge projected crowds - with even 100k people for a 19k capacity stadium, let alone 800k or more, people would think they wouldn’t get in, it would be hard to even get near the stadium, and especially the health risks with that big of a crowd would drive alot of people away.
He also mentioned a number of other efforts that would normally happen before a rally - coordination with local GOP chapters to help with outreach, setting up contests to meet Trump/Pence backstage, and actually reaching out to registered people beforehand - that probably didn’t happen since they weren’t thought to be needed with such a big registrant list.
It was an interesting look at how their overconfidence probably helped lead to the disappointing turnout.
thanks. he's such an odd, unwell man. he sits armed crossed, holding himself, the entire 2:23, reminding me of a suffering autistic child. sad. great pain.
i can picture Sarah Cooper doing this one, holding herself just a little tighter.
but maybe there is too much pain to be funny.
Breezy H2O
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I'm glad it was a flop. The last thing we need at this time is a MASSIVE COVID-19 and explosion. Every once in a while, the general public covers their end of the bargain.
We've seen a lot of stupid things the past few weeks, so hats off to the people who did stay home to prevent COVID spread.
When you do the right thing, sometimes people don't know you've done anything at all.
mrip541
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I think that realizing your base is leaving you and having everyone in the country see it happen live would be significantly worse than everyone seeing you get punked. Now instead of having to explain why his support has tanked to embarrassing lows he just points to the left and says this was their fault im just as popular and loved as ever.
I heartily agree, though I do wish the public hadn't decided that 4 weeks of quarantine was enough, when pandemics of this size will usually take much longer to burn out.
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FYI, this got yanked by the mods earlier.
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General Malaise
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When is the next rally?
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bigbottom
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https://ktar.com/story/3320997/phoenix-mayor-gallego-mask-policy-wont-be-enforced-at-trump-event/
Phoenix Mayor Gallego: Mask policy won't be enforced at Trump event
PHOENIX — Phoenix Mayor Kate Gallego said on Sunday that the city’s policy requiring face masks to be worn in public will not be enforced during President Donald Trump’s upcoming event at a Valley megachurch.
“We are not going to be focused on enforcement during the rally,” Gallego said during an appearance on CNN.
She added that she is hopeful Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey — who will attend the event — will take the opportunity to set an example regarding mask usage.
“We would hope that our governor … can send a strong message,” she said.
“He believes in masks and he could be a great spokesman for telling the young people who are there to wear masks. But the best spokesman would be the president — if he told everyone at that rally it was important to wear masks, I believe they would do it.”
By a 7-2 vote, the Phoenix City Council issued a declaration Friday requiring those within city limits to wear a face covering when they are in public to curb further spreading of the coronavirus.
Gallego also asked Trump to reconsider whether the scheduled event is appropriate given Arizona’s current surge in confirmed coronavirus cases.
The event is scheduled for June 23 at Dream City’s auditorium on Cave Creek Road north of Thunderbird Road. A person who answered the church’s phone Friday told KTAR News 92.3 FM that the venue has 3,000 seats.
The convention starts at 1:30 p.m. and concludes after Trump’s appearance, which is expected to begin at 3:40 p.m., according to a Students for Trump spokesperson.
Students for Trump is a project of Turning Point Action, which is a sister group to Charlie Kirk’s Turning Point USA organization.
Prior to his appearance at the church, Trump will spend time in Yuma to survey the border wall and take part in a roundtable discussion with the local leaders and community members on border security.
Snotbubbles
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7.7M people watched the rally on Fox News. 
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