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You will not like My Fair Lady. No reason to watch it. Singin in the Rain is really funny. It would be a great movie even if there was no singing and dancing. Cabaret is a musical I would actually suggest to people who aren't musical fans since all the singing takes place at a club so there is no "everyone just busts out singing" that some people don't like. Plus it has a pretty dark plot as all the story takes place within the backdrop of the rise of NAZISM in Germany.
I like this movie (due to the bolded), but can't disagree with its place on this list. After I picked it late, I realized I made a big mistake, leaving Fiddler on the Roof out there. Heck, even 1776 (which I like but nobody else seems to) might have done better.
The other judges threw out a bunch of movies they seemed to think could/should have been drafted:
Looking at the way the judging shook out ... one that it looks like might've cracked double digits is An American in Paris. I also agree with your Fiddler on the Roof call. Musicals are very, very deep.
Looking back ... I wonder if it would have made sense to have broken Musicals down by era(s) somehow.
I am glad American in Paris was passed over though I am surprised. It's got Gene Kelly and it won Best Picture. I think it's pretty mediocre until the final 15 minute dance scene at the end.
Gally almost had me talked into drafting Rocky Horror Picture Show. I guess it getting passed over by the judges too means it wouldn't have outscored Chicago.
The music, songs, dancing and production value are incredible in West Side Story and I think given that this was a musical category, that stuff got extra weight from the judges even if they didn't love the movie.
My musical knowledge was very limited before the draft and only a little better since then. I've watched Singin' in the Rain and West Side Story since we started - it's remarkable to me how much I liked Singin' in the Rain (would watch again under the right circumstances) and how much I didn't enjoy West Side Story.
I would be curious to see how general musical movie rankings would differ if ranked by musical fans vs rankings from non-musical fans
be grateful - i was the 1st asked to judge the cat and you would have received last place had i accepted. cartoons are not musicals
I think part of it too is the "type" of musicals. I LOVE Mary Poppins (I know it was selected for a different category) and I like Sound of Music. I think all the Disney/Pixar movies are great and on some level folks are looking at those are musicals. But ignoring those I wouldn't consider myself a musicals person - but if the story is good, the music is good then I'll most likely like it. I thought West Side Story had the story part but to me the music was not good and borderline corny.
Yeah, I kind of alluded to it in my post just now. I wasn't paying attention but was Beauty and the Best and Lion King the live action versions? If not, then I was kind of surprised by that myself.
Fair enough. I thought I treated it pretty well. As I indicated, I may have let my personal bias for Big Lebowski inflate its ranking too much, but I don't see any metric or way that I would have slid LA Confidential into the top 5.
Not to me - it's a remarkable movie. Unless one absolutely hates musicals, I have a hard time envisioning someone not enjoying this.
I don't think I made my point well - I was more thinking that those two ranked 1 and 2 in the category - I will never watch West Side Story again but I'd watch Singin' in the Rain. I guess on some level I've had a similar reaction to other categories - it just stood out to me because I had never seen either of thos two, had always thought I should and then finally did and had very opposite reactions to the two.
Oh wow, I actually feel the opposite. The story is just whatever but the songs and music are the strongest part. Of course the movie takes place in an alternate version of our world. It's not meant to be a true hardcore look at street gangs so I know what you mean by corny. Sounds like you just didn't but into their world, which is key for musicals.
I would think that the delineation (for me at least) would be who is singing the song. Toy Story for example, is not a musical because it just has original music but it's not sung by the characters. I know that several Lion King songs are sung by the characters but I was thinking "Can You Feel the Love Tonight" is just played during the movie and not sung by a character.
Some of the judges pointed out they felt some movies were more movies with music than musicals. However, all of the movies taken are listed as musicals when you look at various sites and they all have multiple scenes of characters in the movie singing songs so I didn't give movies bonus points for having more songs than another movie.
I believe Can you Feel the Love Tonight is sung by characters during the movie and then the Elton John version plays over the end credits.
Yep, I figured I was wrong - I was going off memory and I haven't see it in probably 15 years.
When did a little too much LDS back at Berekely in the 60's, everything is seen through a really different lens.
Not all actors sang in musicals and it spared us something like this:
"Just Can't Wait To Be King", "Be Prepared", and "Hakuna Matata" were all sung by the characters.
That's pretty common. I am sure many of our musicals have dubbed voices. West Side Story, Umbrellas, Sound of Music for sure.
for the same reason you dont set up a screen on a Broadway stage to show how you'd do musical numbers when not limited by space. one of the hardest things to do in art is to establish the narrative, emotional & visual logic for people to break into song & dance. THAT is the art form.
I agree with this but the one thing...it's way too long.
I think that Beauty and The Beast is the best animated movie ever.
now, finding cultural coathooks upon which to hang the views of others with greater understanding so one neednt deal with one's ignorance or lack of perspective - that's THE 21st century artform
Hmmm...deep thoughts. I'd never noticed that, either. Maybe because the Disney aspect of it isn't the creative impetus element of Pixar, but its distribution wing. Maybe? I'm not sure exactly what Disney's role with Pixar is, but if it's like the music industry, one can be a production and distribution company.
Yeah - I don't really know either - just something I never even noticed until we started having this discussion.
That's touches on something else ... I thought that the Legends/Modern categories broke down more cleanly at 1970 more than 1980. But that was only apparent to me in retrospect.
All kidding aside, I disagree with this.
I agree with you 100%. The movie has singing by the characters all in it, and is a musical movie. It was so creative and fun. I remember when it came out and the theaters were selling Wonka bars with golden tickets in them. Veruca Salt would rip someone a new ####### on the weak score.
This movie was one of the most surprising things of the draft. I thought it was a universally loved classic but it seems like a lot of posters here aren't big fans. It received a last place vote.I agree with you 100%. The movie has singing by the characters all in it, and is a musical movie. It was so creative and fun. I remember when it came out and the theaters were selling Wonka bars with golden tickets in them. Veruca Salt would rip someone a new ####### on the weak score.
