Captain Cranks
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This has probably been done before, but we need an updated census.
Don't.I was hoping "homeless" would have been an option for the second question.
Isn't he simply saying he does not feel at home in any of those lables. I am not following what is wrong.Don't.
Find better ways to make your snarky point without using "homeless". It's important / sensitive to me.Isn't he simply saying he does not feel at home in any of those lables. I am not following what is wrong.
It does but it also kind of assumes there exists some other party which is appropriate. If he really believes no party exists, 'none' would cover it or homeless as he put it.I think "other" covers it.
That is your call, but i did not believe there was any snarkiness in the post. He just sincerely does not feel represented by any party.Find better ways to make your snarky point without using "homeless". It's important / sensitive to me.
You're not wrong.I could be wrong, but it feels like a lot of posters who would have identified as "moderately conservative" left this place after 2016.
Why is this?I could be wrong, but it feels like a lot of posters who would have identified as "moderately conservative" left this place after 2016.
I'm pretty certain it's the condescension and snarkiness for people that aren't in the majority here.Why is this?
If that is it they shouldn’t try. Join the voice of reason and take back your beliefs.No desire to defend the indefensible?
Why is this about Trump though I guess is what I’m saying.I'm pretty certain it's the condescension and snarkiness for people that aren't in the majority here.
The recent "well of course this site is anti trump, most people here are educated" is a perfect example. It's not overtly terrible. But the tool factor for that kind of stuff is off the charts.
I know everyone loves to paint every conservative as Rush Limbaugh or Ben Shapiro just looking to spar. The vast majority of Conservatives I know are kind people. They see the room here and realize there are tons better ways to spend their time.
I've said it often. If I were conservative, I wouldn't consider engaging in this forum. And I think that's pretty discouraging.
What's more discouraging is I have no idea how to change it. And truthfully, I don't have the energy. So my expectation is we continue to have the same lopsided perspective we've had for a while. It's comfortable for a ton of people to be in the majority and enjoy the privilege that comes with that. I don't expect it'll change. It is what it is.
I think many went down the track of rationalization instead. Trump is disgusting, but the baby-killing, 2nd Amendment hating, socialist alternative is worse.If that is it they shouldn’t try. Join the voice of reason and take back your beliefs.
For lots of reasons. I know a ton of people who voted for Trump as the lesser of two bad choices. And the way that works is they become a "Trump voter" with no nuance given. It's the Jemele Hill "If you vote for Donald Trump, you are a racist. You have no wiggle room."Why is this about Trump though I guess is what I’m saying.
If it’s about their ideals and beliefs they don’t have to support Don when he runs counter to them.
I can name quite a few conservative leaning posters (at least I’m pretty certain they are) that have no issues doing this and can also support ideas that I disagree with but also understand.
Maybe. But I recall plenty of condescension and snark from both sides during the Bush and Obama years around here. That being said, there did seem to be a more respectful exchanging of ideas then.I'm pretty certain it's the condescension and snarkiness for people that aren't in the majority here.
Fair enough.For lots of reasons. I know a ton of people who voted for Trump as the lesser of two bad choices. And the way that works is they become a "Trump voter" with no nuance given. It's the Jemele Hill "If you vote for Donald Trump, you are a racist. You have no wiggle room."
And for sure, there will be a handful of conservative posters who don't mind the condescension and snark. But not many. So you get what we have here. But if you're in the majority, it's pretty cool and comfortable. I can see why people like it.
If I were a conservative, I’d probably be pretty unenthusiastic in engaging in political discussions anywhere as it appears that hardly anyone is advocating for truly conservative principles in the current political climate. For many, the Trump administration and the mostly consistent Republican leadership have largely betrayed many bedrock conservative principles, and Lord knows they don’t have much in common with the most prominent voices in the Democratic Party.I'm pretty certain it's the condescension and snarkiness for people that aren't in the majority here.
The recent "well of course this site is anti trump, most people here are educated" is a perfect example. It's not overtly terrible. But the tool factor for that kind of stuff is off the charts.
I know everyone loves to paint every conservative as Rush Limbaugh or Ben Shapiro just looking to spar. The vast majority of Conservatives I know are kind people. They see the room here and realize there are tons better ways to spend their time.
I've said it often. If I were conservative, I wouldn't consider engaging in this forum. And I think that's pretty discouraging.
As I said on another thread, what's more discouraging is I have no idea how to change it. And truthfully, I don't have the energy. So my expectation is we continue to have the same lopsided perspective we've had for a while. It's comfortable for a ton of people to be in the majority and enjoy the privilege that comes with that. I don't expect it'll change. It is what it is.
Get yourself an alias. Advocate conservative positions thoughtfully and see what happens. Try it for a month. (Aliases are not allowed so don't get one).Why is this?
Sorry Joe. Just seeing this, Did not mean anything by it, I use that comment about myself all the time. Maybe "lost" would be better. I certainly did not mean any harm and I'm sorry if the comment came across as wrong in any way.Find better ways to make your snarky point without using "homeless". It's important / sensitive to me.
Agreed. I dint think actual conservative thought is what is put down. But support for Trump and the manner in which some of that support is shown (like applauding the tearing down of guys like Mattis and Fauci)Why is this about Trump though I guess is what I’m saying.
If it’s about their ideals and beliefs they don’t have to support Don when he runs counter to them.
I can name quite a few conservative leaning posters (at least I’m pretty certain they are) that have no issues doing this and can also support ideas that I disagree with but also understand.
I think I reference this Maurile post too often, but I see a lot of parallels when I read stuff on this forum. He linked a pretty good "essay" that spoke about "sides" basically, described as in group and out group.Why is this about Trump though I guess is what I’m saying.
If it’s about their ideals and beliefs they don’t have to support Don when he runs counter to them.
I can name quite a few conservative leaning posters (at least I’m pretty certain they are) that have no issues doing this and can also support ideas that I disagree with but also understand.
Go check the various threads about protesters. The conservative position of "states rights" is being openly assailed by Trump supporters.Get yourself an alias. Advocate conservative positions thoughtfully and see what happens. Try it for a month. (Aliases are not allowed so don't get one).
I'm interested in where you think he changed.@Joe Bryant - I would have characterized you as a “conservative” poster back when you started posting here. I wouldn’t characterize you that way today. Maybe that’s true of most of the posters you’re thinking about.
Pretty solid points here.Go check the various threads about protesters. The conservative position of "states rights" is being openly assailed by Trump supporters.
Go check the various threads about immigration. Ronald Reagan's positions are scorned.
Go check the various threads about trade. Free traders are mocked by their own.
Go check the various threads about the Constitution and checks-and-balances. Constitutionalism becomes a thing of convenience.
You'd have been wrong back then.@Joe Bryant - I would have characterized you as a “conservative” poster back when you started posting here. I wouldn’t characterize you that way today. Maybe that’s true of most of the posters you’re thinking about.
No worries. All good, GB.Sorry Joe. Just seeing this, Did not mean anything by it, I use that comment about myself all the time. Maybe "lost" would be better. I certainly did not mean any harm and I'm sorry if the comment came across as wrong in any way.
Well, Joe just answered that he doesn't think it's true so maybe just my perception. Not worth getting into. We do have several posters that have moved left over the years, maybe Joe isn't one of them though.I'm interested in where you think he changed.
You shouldn't. This is the crux of the change in perception around this place. I continue to believe that people haven't changed nearly as much as the definition of the words.I find the 0 votes so far for "very conservative" to be interesting.
I could have a different definition too I guess. I voted moderately liberal because I lean more that way but vote both.You shouldn't. This is the crux of the change in perception around this place. I continue to believe that people haven't changed nearly as much as the definition of the words.
Just for the record I have no problem with someone making one mistake. But when they want to dig in their heels and defend the undefendable thats where I and many others here have a problem. OK, Clinton was not their thing. But now they are going to double down on this guy? Of course we are going to call them out.For lots of reasons. I know a ton of people who voted for Trump as the lesser of two bad choices. And the way that works is they become a "Trump voter" with no nuance given.
I think you severely underestimate just how much the definition has changed GB. I mean, on this site a guy who is not a fan of abortion, wants spending under control and thinks severe immigration reform is in order is labeled "liberal left" by some....think about that.I could have a different definition too I guess. I voted moderately liberal because I lean more that way but vote both.
I would think very to both would be 100% on that side, so again I found it odd there is only one vote for very conservative.
Can you expand on that, I feel like there’s a joke in there somewhere...and I’m missing a laugh.I think you severely underestimate just how much the definition has changed GB. I mean, on this site a guy who is not a fan of abortion, wants spending under control and thinks severe immigration reform is in order is labeled "liberal left" by some....think about that.
Yep. The Republicans basically kicked me out.I think you severely underestimate just how much the definition has changed GB. I mean, on this site a guy who is not a fan of abortion, wants spending under control and thinks severe immigration reform is in order is labeled "liberal left" by some....think about that.