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I’m sitting in a BWW waiting for my wings and since I have nothing else to do I popped in here.  This is my first time in the PSF in many many months.  I took a break as it felt like reading through the various threads was like slamming my hand in the car door over and over again but expecting it not to hurt.  
 

I voted mildly conservative although in the current climate I feel like most would consider me strictly conservative.  
 

I align with Libertarian I suppose.  I did register as a republican last year on the very off-chance that Trump was primaried and I could log my feelings about him.
 

I voted Romney, before that, Obama.

I view “anti-Trump” as something leagues beyond what I am regarding my feelings toward him.  I’m certainly not Pro-Trump either.  I didn’t vote for him before and won’t again.  
 

 

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1 hour ago, Jobber said:

Yep. The Republicans basically kicked me out.

In reality, all the traditional terms have been hijacked by Trump and his supporters to be some flavor of "pro trump" or "anti trump"....They want Trump as the measuring stick / lens...if you aren't for us, you're against us...all that crap.  This is why, for the most part, political identity is a completely pointless discussion at the moment.

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2 hours ago, The Commish said:

I think you severely underestimate just how much the definition has changed GB.  I mean, on this site a guy who is not a fan of abortion, wants spending under control and thinks severe immigration reform is in order is labeled "liberal left" by some....think about that.

Do we have a lot of "fans of abortion" on this site?  That sucks to hear.  

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4 minutes ago, The Commish said:

These are also the same people who are deciding what is "conservative" on this board too, so.......

Over my head, but whatever.  

ETA - there's a good chance I'm missing sarcasm, but we'll move forward.

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4 minutes ago, Leroy Hoard said:

Only 43% "Democrats" but 80% "Anti-Trump" . 

Seems like the GOP might want to start "stepping away" from this guy.

They won’t. Not in large numbers anyway. We will all be 🤣 when in November when the GOP leaders wonder where it all went wrong.

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5 minutes ago, Jobber said:

They won’t. Not in large numbers anyway. We will all be 🤣 when in November when the GOP leaders wonder where it all went wrong.

This is the weird part for me. I realize that there’s always a follow the money scenario at play, but outside of that I can’t figure out why the Rs wouldn’t start pushing back on Trump legislatively and run a more qualified candidate out there for the election. Seems a more effective strategy. I’m sure this is just my ignorance working time and a half.  

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I'm SW FL transplant from the mid-Atlantic region. Grew up in an R community that didn't mind paying taxes for public schools and functioning infrastructure. Registered as an Independent when I moved here, switched to R in 2008, switched to D when Biden came out in favor of gay marriage and forced Obama's hand.

Moderately liberal

Dem

Voted for Obama (twice)

Anti-Trump

I have voted for Rs locally, and usually vote for the best candidate. I will never support a candidate that enabled or didn't speak out against DJT.

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1 hour ago, supermike80 said:

I'm starting a new party.

The anti-hypocritical party.

That would be a winner. I’ll always vote Republican or 3rd party, could never see myself voting for a Democrat as a small business owner and after watching their behavior the last 4 years. Never. 

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On 7/25/2020 at 3:59 PM, kwille said:

Sorry Joe. Just seeing this, Did not mean anything by it, I use that comment about myself all the time. Maybe "lost" would be better. I certainly did not mean any harm and I'm sorry if the comment came across as wrong in any way.

We knew what you meant. And quite honestly you shouldn’t be the one apologizing. The political correctness around here knows no bounds anymore. 

 

I’m astounded that your post was tagged as snarky

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I still pop in from time to time. I consider myself, for shorthand's sake, very conservative (with a huge streak of libertarianism) given both how I think America should be and the methodology or process used to get there. The emphasis for me is on the latter. I think the Constitution guaranteed rights through its separation of powers and structural dealings. Ends are important, but less so than the processes of obtaining these ends, processes that guarantee certain fundamental rights through their very nature.

I think Joe's right about the snark/condescension factor. One can be very anti-Trump like myself but not be as vocal and histrionic about it and one will still get slammed. I've watched many a good conservative go by the wayside for raising points that are then used as guilt-by-association with the "awful orange man." It's a difficult thing for a conservative to do, to say that perhaps he likes the judicial appointments of President Trump but does not agree with him on many issues. I think some of the lack of "wiggle room" Joe talks about is spot-on. I remember people telling tonydead he was selfish as a person because he didn't agree with the premise of universal coverage under Obamacare. I specifically remember certain posters who still traipse freely making wild personal judgments from a policy decision. And it's not just that. The tone has gotten personal. We've identified the enemy, and he or she is to be destroyed at all costs in the form of internet points. 

For the last question asked, I find myself increasingly ill-at-ease with both parties, and I think that's an understatement. For all of the reactionary right-wing views on certain matters espoused by the President that I detest, I see no home in the Democratic Party given some of the people they've taken to assuaging as part of the process, from what I believe to be the ludicrous politics of Bernie Sanders to the grassroots activists. There's no kinship with anarchists, IMO. The recent events and protests show me how starkly I differ from prevailing left-wing or even mainstream sentiment when it comes to them. I have broken with the right on these very forums calling myself no longer a member of the American right, but I certainly am not a member of the American left. There really is no ideological fit for me right now in America.

That's my two cents.   

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1 hour ago, BassNBrew said:

We knew what you meant. And quite honestly you shouldn’t be the one apologizing. The political correctness around here knows no bounds anymore. 

 

I’m astounded that your post was tagged as snarky

Not sure if you know this, but Joe frequently puts on a big BBQ and feeds the homeless in his community. How he sees the word used is probably quite different than most on this board.

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Moderately liberal

voted for Obama

live in michigan

registered independent but I lean democrat (which is what I clicked I think, couple days ago.) Have voted for republicans in various races but never for president or senate. 
I’m “anti trump” I guess. I don’t agree with his policies or tactics. 

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6 hours ago, Jobber said:

They won’t. Not in large numbers anyway. We will all be 🤣 when in November when the GOP leaders wonder where it all went wrong.

I'll be adding your post to my bookmarked list of pre-election braggarts.  

You have learned absolutely nothing from 2016, Jon Snow.

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6 hours ago, Leroy Hoard said:

Only 43% "Democrats" but 80% "Anti-Trump" . 

Seems like the GOP might want to start "stepping away" from this guy.

Why?  I'm not seeing the reason why one should do this.  And step away and go to WHOM, exactly?  The side that's been in a state of hysteria since 2016?  The side that's embracing every far-left cause and group to try and win back power?  The side that has been taken over by radicals?

No thanks.  I'll stick with Trump.

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14 minutes ago, JamieMurphy said:

Not sure if you know this, but Joe frequently puts on a big BBQ and feeds the homeless in his community. How he sees the word used is probably quite different than most on this board.

Thank you @JamieMurphy That's some of it but mostly was thinking of one our very well liked posters here who is battling homelessness. And I get it's more fun for posters to mock me asking we don't do that as "political correctness". That's par for the course. 

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On 7/25/2020 at 5:19 PM, Captain Cranks said:

@GoBirds and @BladeRunner

Have any thoughts on the results thus far?

going pretty much as I expected.  I think we can classify about 80% of the "Independent" list as Democrats as well.  Liberals far outnumber conservatives in this forum, which is what has been known all along.

And I still refuse to believe this forum was more conservative "3-4 years" ago.

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4 minutes ago, Joe Bryant said:

Thank you @JamieMurphy That's some of it but mostly was thinking of one our very well liked posters here who is battling homelessness. And I get it's more fun for posters to mock me asking we don't do that as "political correctness". That's par for the course. 

That's terrible.  Anything I can do to help?  Donations?  GoFundMe?

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1 hour ago, BladeRunner said:

going pretty much as I expected.  I think we can classify about 80% of the "Independent" list as Democrats as well.  Liberals far outnumber conservatives in this forum, which is what has been known all along.

And I still refuse to believe this forum was more conservative "3-4 years" ago.

Exactly , a lot of voting for how people want to view themselves as opposed to where they fall on the spectrum in reality. These occur all the time in here and the talking points aren’t close to reality as you know. 

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17 minutes ago, GoBirds said:
1 hour ago, BladeRunner said:

going pretty much as I expected.  I think we can classify about 80% of the "Independent" list as Democrats as well.  Liberals far outnumber conservatives in this forum, which is what has been known all along.

And I still refuse to believe this forum was more conservative "3-4 years" ago.

Exactly , a lot of voting for how people want to view themselves as opposed to where they fall on the spectrum in reality. These occur all the time in here and the talking points aren’t close to reality as you know. 

So what viewpoints would you either of you define an independent or centrist?  

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Great spelling bee word that describes my general view:

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Laodicean: lukewarm or indifferent in religion or politics

That being said, Trump is horrendous. Even though I reside in one of the most democratic state in the nation, I’ve considered voting for the lesser of two evils for the first time in my life.

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1 hour ago, djmich said:

That people who break the law should be arrested, that peaceful protests aren’t cover for unlawful activity.

Yeah, it's frustrating when people break the law, or attack the Constitution, or undermine our democracy, rather than hold them accountable, we make excuses for them and deflect to something else.   

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9 hours ago, dkp993 said:

So what viewpoints would you either of you define an independent or centrist?  

Go back and skim through this sub forum, it’s home to some of the most extreme positions you will find anywhere for the last 4 years yet the majority votes moderate/centrist for themselves?😂

 

I’ve lost interest in the back and forth and risking a couple month ban for not agreeing so I’ll bow out you guys enjoy. 

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12 minutes ago, GoBirds said:

Go back and skim through this sub forum, it’s home to some of the most extreme positions you will find anywhere for the last 4 years yet the majority votes moderate/centrist for themselves?😂

 

I’ve lost interest in the back and forth and risking a couple month ban for not agreeing so I’ll bow out you guys enjoy. 

So people cant give examples of these "extreme positions"? 

What I personally see is a lot of people applying extreme positions they see on SM and applying that to most on a side or most in here.  That or their view of what an extreme position is a little surprising to me - ie Jon saying someone saying there is systemic racism is extreme thinking.  That got unpacked a little later for me, and there are beliefs he is attaching to that position that dont exist for the majority of people who have that position (especially in here). 

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1 hour ago, KarmaPolice said:

So people cant give examples of these "extreme positions"? 

What I personally see is a lot of people applying extreme positions they see on SM and applying that to most on a side or most in here.  That or their view of what an extreme position is a little surprising to me - ie Jon saying someone saying there is systemic racism is extreme thinking.  That got unpacked a little later for me, and there are beliefs he is attaching to that position that dont exist for the majority of people who have that position (especially in here). 

This is part of the problem imo as well...things that are not all that extreme are labeled extreme and far left.  Some things that were traditionally conservative regarding trade is now labeled far left or extreme.  Im called (not as much here) a socialist for some of the views I hold.  When asked what positions I take that are far left...its met with silence every time the accusation is made.

An example was brought up lately...being pro choice ends up meaning you want to kill babies.  Even get accused of supporting infanticide and supporting after birth abortions...or supporting all abortions including late term for any reason.  Despite there being much nuance to such a discussion, the extreme position is always the accusation.  (and yes, I know that this happens both ways on many issues...its why we are in a huge divide right now...its all us vs. them).

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13 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

This is part of the problem imo as well...things that are not all that extreme are labeled extreme and far left.  Some things that were traditionally conservative regarding trade is now labeled far left or extreme.  Im called (not as much here) a socialist for some of the views I hold.  When asked what positions I take that are far left...its met with silence every time the accusation is made.

The back and forth reminds me of dealing with my wife.  She has a feeling.  I don't understand where it's coming from.  I ask her what made her feel that way.  She's like, "whatever." 

So we can either be mature adults and have a conversation about what is driving her feelings, or the conversation will end there and I'll move on thinking the feelings aren't valid or just based on emotion rather than objectivity.    

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1 hour ago, KarmaPolice said:

So people cant give examples of these "extreme positions"? 

I could give you a laundry list of reasons some here have labeled me "liberal left" for things I believe starting with ideas in immigration reform as well as suggesting no one is above the law (not even our President).  You won't get a substantive discussion out of either of them.  They like to just throw out generalizations and try and cram you in a box because they don't agree with you.  

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2 minutes ago, The Commish said:

I could give you a laundry list of reasons some here have labeled me "liberal left" for things I believe starting with ideas in immigration reform as well as suggesting no one is above the law (not even our President).  You won't get a substantive discussion out of either of them.  They like to just throw out generalizations and try and cram you in a box because they don't agree with you.  

It also seems like it's easier to process the world in black and white.  No room for nuance.  No room for being on a spectrum.  Just, "I'm black which means you're white.  End of discussion."   

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My ideal views on all these things have been transformed into "liberal left" over the last 3.5 years. 

Immigration Reform
Following International Law (Law and Order in general)
Fiscal Responsibility
Healthcare
Education
Environment

Actually, immigration and fiscal responsibility I catch a lot of grief on no matter which side I am talking to.  Though when talking about fiscal responsibility, even I've pretty much given up on the possibility and am kind of drifting towards "screw it, they are going to spend so I might as well speak up and tell them what I want them to spend on"

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1 hour ago, Captain Cranks said:

The back and forth reminds me of dealing with my wife.  She has a feeling.  I don't understand where it's coming from.  I ask her what made her feel that way.  She's like, "whatever." 

So we can either be mature adults and have a conversation about what is driving her feelings, or the conversation will end there and I'll move on thinking the feelings aren't valid or just based on emotion rather than objectivity.    

I think assuming one's relationship with their wife is remotely as strong or similar to the relationship between two anonymous internet posters with entrenched viewpoints diametrically opposed is quite a stretch though.

As he said, he's tired of the same discussion replayed a zillion times over and realized he'd likely say something he shouldn't and opted out. I totally respect and appreciate that. 

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1 hour ago, The Commish said:

I could give you a laundry list of reasons some here have labeled me "liberal left" for things I believe starting with ideas in immigration reform as well as suggesting no one is above the law (not even our President).  You won't get a substantive discussion out of either of them.  They like to just throw out generalizations and try and cram you in a box because they don't agree with you.  

It is not a mystery at all.  It is your condescending tone towards conservative and conservative ideas.  It is statement such as "you won't get a substantive discussion out of either of them" and "They like to just throw out generalizations and try and cram you in a box because they don't agree with you".  That is pretty typical of your rhetoric and a perfect example of why you are seen as a liberal.

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21 minutes ago, Joe Bryant said:

I think assuming one's relationship with their wife is remotely as strong or similar to the relationship between two anonymous internet posters with entrenched viewpoints diametrically opposed is quite a stretch though.

As he said, he's tired of the same discussion replayed a zillion times over and realized he'd likely say something he shouldn't and opted out. I totally respect and appreciate that. 

Obviously I'm talking about the pattern of behavior, not the depth of the relationship or what is owed to the other.  If this incident was in isolation, sure, it's respectable.  However, this is just another iteration of a larger pattern of troll, whine, make a claim, retreat when asked to back it up.  Troll, whine, make a claim, retreat when asked to back it up.    

How about we try it this way.  Since I'm sure people like gobirds feel I'm a total lib, see if they can guess where I am on the following issues:

1.  Black Lives Matter or All Lives Matter?

2.  The next stimulus bill:  For or against more money being distributed?

3.  Mask mandates - Federal mandate or leave it to the governors?

4.  MSNBC - I like it or don't like it?

5.  Going back to school:  Not until it's totally safe or leave it up to the parents/local school admins?

 

 

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