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In this thread I rank my favorite post-Beatles Beatles songs: 291-1. (1 Viewer)
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Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
I found it awful until it got to the "I know you neeeeeeeed something" part. That was neat. I wish he'd taken that part and meshed it with something else.
The bridge sounds an awful lot like ELO circa 1981.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
Yeah. I got the ELO vibe too.
That's a compliment from me, as I really like ELO.
1st time I heard it too.
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
Then again, I think ELO got some of it from Paul to begin with?
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
You know the Neil Young-Jack White collaboration that some people have pooped on in the Neil thread? Thanks to the production technique, this sounds like something from that record.
This is skiffle-riffic, but it gets significantly better when the slide guitar comes in.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
On Youtube this is the "2014 mix". Is it any different from what people heard in 1974? Did they bury George's weak vocals more?
Billy Preston is the star of this song. I'd listen again just for his parts.
Oh hey, saxophones!
And no, I don't think I knew George slept with Ringo's wife. Holy poop. But I'm not surprised. The Harrison/Clapton circle of friends from that time were doing all sorts of crazy and awful stuff to themselves and each other.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Well yes, Jeff Lynne was obsessed with the Beatles. But by 1981 it had been watered down into ... that.
simey
Footballguy
One thing I like about it is it is one of those songs where Paul does several movements in the song like Band on the Run and Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey.
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
krista4
Footballguy
YOGI'S CHOICE! CHOOSE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE!
287. Sunday Bloody Sunday / The Luck Of The Irish (Some Time In New York City, 1972) Spotify YouTube Spotify YouTube
(John #49)
Note that the second song is slightly NSFW.
I'm going to let the crowd veto me on this one if you wish. I prefer the first one, while OH likes the second. Since they're on the same album and cover the same subject, I decided to discuss them together. Both, of course, are protest songs relating to the British actions in Northern Ireland, described by John as "genocide" in the lyrics to "The Luck of the Irish."
Let's start with "Sunday Bloody Sunday," which is a reaction to the specific events of that day in 1972. Sure, there are Yoko banshee moments, but I have to admit I kind of like those. This is a good rocker, even with too much sax, and I think John sounds great on it. Jim Keltner's drums, while not quite a Keltner Showcase, hold #### together really well while also advancing the groove. Downsides to this song: lyrics can be a bit trite at best, or condescending at worst. Not sure how John decided to appoint himself the defender of the Irish republicans.
Onto "The Luck Of The Irish," I love the feel of this song! Folksy and in waltz time! My favorite! On the downside...flute. On the much bigger downside...terrible, insulting, simplistic lyrics that perpetuate stereotypes. A purportedly serious song that's meant to address serious issues, and they sing about...leprechauns? The Blarney Stone? "Let's walk over rainbows like leprechauns...The world would be one big blarney stone." The repeated line "If you had the luck of the Irish, you'd wish you were English instead..." Eeesh. John's intentions here were certainly pure, as he was inspired to write it by a protest march he had attended, and he had a known affinity and love for Ireland. But my understanding of the reaction to this song is that it did not help the cause, as it was generally reviled as insulting on the Irish side and too polemical on the English side.
Both of these songs feature prominent vocals from Yoko, so if you find her too bleating, there are other songs out there for you.
287. Sunday Bloody Sunday / The Luck Of The Irish (Some Time In New York City, 1972) Spotify YouTube Spotify YouTube
(John #49)
Note that the second song is slightly NSFW.
I'm going to let the crowd veto me on this one if you wish. I prefer the first one, while OH likes the second. Since they're on the same album and cover the same subject, I decided to discuss them together. Both, of course, are protest songs relating to the British actions in Northern Ireland, described by John as "genocide" in the lyrics to "The Luck of the Irish."
Let's start with "Sunday Bloody Sunday," which is a reaction to the specific events of that day in 1972. Sure, there are Yoko banshee moments, but I have to admit I kind of like those. This is a good rocker, even with too much sax, and I think John sounds great on it. Jim Keltner's drums, while not quite a Keltner Showcase, hold #### together really well while also advancing the groove. Downsides to this song: lyrics can be a bit trite at best, or condescending at worst. Not sure how John decided to appoint himself the defender of the Irish republicans.
Onto "The Luck Of The Irish," I love the feel of this song! Folksy and in waltz time! My favorite! On the downside...flute. On the much bigger downside...terrible, insulting, simplistic lyrics that perpetuate stereotypes. A purportedly serious song that's meant to address serious issues, and they sing about...leprechauns? The Blarney Stone? "Let's walk over rainbows like leprechauns...The world would be one big blarney stone." The repeated line "If you had the luck of the Irish, you'd wish you were English instead..." Eeesh. John's intentions here were certainly pure, as he was inspired to write it by a protest march he had attended, and he had a known affinity and love for Ireland. But my understanding of the reaction to this song is that it did not help the cause, as it was generally reviled as insulting on the Irish side and too polemical on the English side.
Both of these songs feature prominent vocals from Yoko, so if you find her too bleating, there are other songs out there for you.
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
Sunday Bloody Sunday.
Prefer the groove, the guitar, the sax and the banshee.
Do it.. Do it do it do it!
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
Altho, I think Luck of the Irish has a Monty Python future...
krista4
Footballguy
---INTERLUDE - Paul And The Irish---
Let's talk about one other song, which will not make my list, relating to "the troubles" in Northern Ireland.
Give Ireland Back To The Irish
Apologies to Sir Paul, but these were my notes on my first "official" listen: "Gross. Simplistic and pandering and dumb. I do think he meant it, though."
This is an atypical song for Paul, not because it was pandering and dumb, but because unlike John or George, Paul didn't often record overtly political or "statement" songs. Paul wrote this within 48 hours of "Bloody Sunday." Due to its seemingly pro-IRA stance, the song was banned on the BBC and most British radio and TV outlets, but released as a single it did fairly well in both the UK and the US and reached #1 in Ireland. Though Paul had some Irish ancestry and seemed sincere with the song, it's been speculated that it was calculated by Paul to give him some "street cred" by tackling such a subject, or that maybe this was a peace offering of sorts to John, who had been more involved in the cause. Paul and John had had a small reconciliation before the song was written, and perhaps Paul wanted to stay in his good graces.
Whatever the reason, despite the song's success, it had some unfortunate consequences, even sparking violence that led to Paul's Irish guitarist Henry McCullough's brother being beaten for his brother's part in the song.
My issue with the song isn't so much the pandering or the questionable motives or the somewhat insipid lyrics and singalong quality - though those are all there - but that it's just..not a particularly good song. I don't have much to say about it.
Let's talk about one other song, which will not make my list, relating to "the troubles" in Northern Ireland.
Give Ireland Back To The Irish
Apologies to Sir Paul, but these were my notes on my first "official" listen: "Gross. Simplistic and pandering and dumb. I do think he meant it, though."
This is an atypical song for Paul, not because it was pandering and dumb, but because unlike John or George, Paul didn't often record overtly political or "statement" songs. Paul wrote this within 48 hours of "Bloody Sunday." Due to its seemingly pro-IRA stance, the song was banned on the BBC and most British radio and TV outlets, but released as a single it did fairly well in both the UK and the US and reached #1 in Ireland. Though Paul had some Irish ancestry and seemed sincere with the song, it's been speculated that it was calculated by Paul to give him some "street cred" by tackling such a subject, or that maybe this was a peace offering of sorts to John, who had been more involved in the cause. Paul and John had had a small reconciliation before the song was written, and perhaps Paul wanted to stay in his good graces.
Whatever the reason, despite the song's success, it had some unfortunate consequences, even sparking violence that led to Paul's Irish guitarist Henry McCullough's brother being beaten for his brother's part in the song.
My issue with the song isn't so much the pandering or the questionable motives or the somewhat insipid lyrics and singalong quality - though those are all there - but that it's just..not a particularly good song. I don't have much to say about it.
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krista4
Footballguy
I honestly don't know the difference in the mixes. I'm mostly being careful to choose an original mix, but sometimes it's hard to do with the YouTube stuff (easier on Spotify most of the time).
Yeah, they were all sleeping with everyone else. The George-Maureen one was surprising, but somehow Ringo still considered George his best friend even after that, so I guess a product of the times.
krista4
Footballguy
Ladies and gentlemen, my work here is done. Someone likes a song they hadn't heard before, which was my goal for the thread.
Please tip your waiters and waitresses generously on your way out.
krista4
Footballguy
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krista4
Footballguy
Actually I had in mind who I wanted to tag, but thought I should go back through the thread a bit to make sure I didn't miss anyone. You made both lists on the early side.
simey
Footballguy
I don't have anything to say about the song, but watching the video reminded me that it always seemed like Paul and Linda were so happy together.
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
Reminds me of a Clown Troop that used to tour Louisville in the mid 70's.
We may have sang it in grade school fund raising rallies.
TAKE IT TO THE PSF!
krista4
Footballguy
Think I've posted enough songs today to give us a good start, so I'll sign off it until tomorrow. Lots of real work to do in the morning, so it might be when I take a lunch break that I first get a chance to post.
The first three songs to be posted tomorrow will be on the following theme: McCartney Minus McCartney
The first three songs to be posted tomorrow will be on the following theme: McCartney Minus McCartney
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Black Ice Skeptic
krista4
Footballguy
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
I would remove both of John's songs and put this in its place. This at least has a raise another pint feel to it.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
krista4
Footballguy
Rustoleum
Footballguy
Best thing about the Irish trilogy was this popping up in the side bar on one of them. All of them had pieces of stuff I liked, but other things, like the lyrics you mentioned, that detracted.
Man, songs got longer in a hurry post-Beatles. Maybe it’s because of familiarity and sheer awesomeness that leaves you wanting more, but maybe, just maybe, John needed Paul around to tell him to lose a verse or two?
Man, songs got longer in a hurry post-Beatles. Maybe it’s because of familiarity and sheer awesomeness that leaves you wanting more, but maybe, just maybe, John needed Paul around to tell him to lose a verse or two?
krista4
Footballguy
Damn it! I feel bad because @Pip's Invitation made guesses on the theme that were frankly better than what I am doing. I"ll give a little preview and say we will have at least one Wings song in the countdown where Paul is not the lead singer ( 
), but my plan right now for McCartney Minus McCartney comprises songs in which Paul has collaborated and plays a smaller than usual role. We'll start here:
286. Cut Me Some Slack (from album/soundtrack Sound City, 2013) Spotify YouTube
(Paul song #140)
Paul recorded this song with the surviving members of Nirvana, first as a live track as a benefit for Hurricane Sandy victims and then released as a track on Dave Grohl's Sound City album/film in 2013. The whole song was just an improvised jam, with Paul on vocal and cigar-box guitar, and was written and recorded in three hours. The song won a Grammy in 2014 for Best Rock Song. I'm not that impressed with Paul's work on it, which is why it's low on the list, but the song as a whole is a mint jam.
Pip will like this quote from Grohl: "You have to understand, one of the great things about playing with Paul McCartney or playing with Neil Young is that that generation of musicians, they cherish and respect and value the practice of just going into a room and coming up with something and jamming and making it a song,” said Grohl. “There’s not like seven songwriters and seven producers and digital technology or whatever. It’s like people getting in a room." Grohl also called Paul the sweetest, nicest, and most awesome person. That sounds like something I'd make up, but it's true.
), but my plan right now for McCartney Minus McCartney comprises songs in which Paul has collaborated and plays a smaller than usual role. We'll start here:286. Cut Me Some Slack (from album/soundtrack Sound City, 2013) Spotify YouTube
(Paul song #140)
Paul recorded this song with the surviving members of Nirvana, first as a live track as a benefit for Hurricane Sandy victims and then released as a track on Dave Grohl's Sound City album/film in 2013. The whole song was just an improvised jam, with Paul on vocal and cigar-box guitar, and was written and recorded in three hours. The song won a Grammy in 2014 for Best Rock Song. I'm not that impressed with Paul's work on it, which is why it's low on the list, but the song as a whole is a mint jam.
Pip will like this quote from Grohl: "You have to understand, one of the great things about playing with Paul McCartney or playing with Neil Young is that that generation of musicians, they cherish and respect and value the practice of just going into a room and coming up with something and jamming and making it a song,” said Grohl. “There’s not like seven songwriters and seven producers and digital technology or whatever. It’s like people getting in a room." Grohl also called Paul the sweetest, nicest, and most awesome person. That sounds like something I'd make up, but it's true.
krista4
Footballguy
This was something I was blathering on about to OH a few days ago (yes, we still hang). In the Beatles, I felt like Paul needed John to rein in some of his Granny-music and other negative impulses, but in the post-Beatles stuff, I feel like John's music suffers a bit from not having Paul rein in John's worst impulses. As it turns out, I think they both needed each other.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Thanks for the shoutout. From everything I've heard, Dave Grohl is one of the nicest guys in music and everyone loves him, so it's not surprising that his interaction with Paul went really well.Damn it! I feel bad because @Pip's Invitation made guesses on the theme that were frankly better than what I am doing. I"ll give a little preview and say we will have at least one Wings song in the countdown where Paul is not the lead singer (
286. Cut Me Some Slack (from album/soundtrack Sound City, 2013) Spotify YouTube
(Paul song #140)
Paul recorded this song with the surviving members of Nirvana, first as a live track as a benefit for Hurricane Sandy victims and then released as a track on Dave Grohl's Sound City album/film in 2013. The whole song was just an improvised jam, with Paul on vocal and cigar-box guitar, and was written and recorded in three hours. The song won a Grammy in 2014 for Best Rock Song. I'm not that impressed with Paul's work on it, which is why it's low on the list, but the song as a whole is a mint jam.
Pip will like this quote from Grohl: "You have to understand, one of the great things about playing with Paul McCartney or playing with Neil Young is that that generation of musicians, they cherish and respect and value the practice of just going into a room and coming up with something and jamming and making it a song,” said Grohl. “There’s not like seven songwriters and seven producers and digital technology or whatever. It’s like people getting in a room." Grohl also called Paul the sweetest, nicest, and most awesome person. That sounds like something I'd make up, but it's true.
I couldn't get to the Irish songs or this tonight because there were a ton of versions to go through for tomorrow's #17 Neil song that is in a lot of people's top 5. But I should be able to get to them tomorrow morning.
simey
Footballguy
I like it. It rocks. He rocked on Helter Skelter, so we know he had it in him.Damn it! I feel bad because @Pip's Invitation made guesses on the theme that were frankly better than what I am doing. I"ll give a little preview and say we will have at least one Wings song in the countdown where Paul is not the lead singer (
286. Cut Me Some Slack (from album/soundtrack Sound City, 2013) Spotify YouTube
krista4
Footballguy
Hell yeah! And he had it in him to do this one when he was 70 damn years old!I like it. It rocks. He rocked on Helter Skelter, so we know he had it in him.
krista4
Footballguy
Ohhhh, I'm just listening to a filthy-great Wings jam, but I can't get to it for another, let's see, 260 or more songs.
I meant to ask, @Morton Muffley, you had mentioned having a top 100 list. We were talking Paul at the time, but I wasn't sure, is your top 100 just Paul, or all post-Beatles Beatles?
I meant to ask, @Morton Muffley, you had mentioned having a top 100 list. We were talking Paul at the time, but I wasn't sure, is your top 100 just Paul, or all post-Beatles Beatles?
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Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
I like this quite a bit.Damn it! I feel bad because @Pip's Invitation made guesses on the theme that were frankly better than what I am doing. I"ll give a little preview and say we will have at least one Wings song in the countdown where Paul is not the lead singer (
286. Cut Me Some Slack (from album/soundtrack Sound City, 2013) Spotify YouTube
(Paul song #140)
Paul recorded this song with the surviving members of Nirvana, first as a live track as a benefit for Hurricane Sandy victims and then released as a track on Dave Grohl's Sound City album/film in 2013. The whole song was just an improvised jam, with Paul on vocal and cigar-box guitar, and was written and recorded in three hours. The song won a Grammy in 2014 for Best Rock Song. I'm not that impressed with Paul's work on it, which is why it's low on the list, but the song as a whole is a mint jam.
Pip will like this quote from Grohl: "You have to understand, one of the great things about playing with Paul McCartney or playing with Neil Young is that that generation of musicians, they cherish and respect and value the practice of just going into a room and coming up with something and jamming and making it a song,” said Grohl. “There’s not like seven songwriters and seven producers and digital technology or whatever. It’s like people getting in a room." Grohl also called Paul the sweetest, nicest, and most awesome person. That sounds like something I'd make up, but it's true.
However, I have always been ambivalent irt Grohl (post Nirvana).
One of the main cuts that moved him more favorably on my needle was from the same album ... here.
Sorry to shift, but the connection is sublime.
krista4
Footballguy
That just took me to the album.I like this quite a bit.
However, I have always been ambivalent irt Grohl (post Nirvana).
One of the main cuts that moved him more favorably on my needle was from the same album ... here.
Sorry to shift, but the connection is sublime.
Was that by design, to punish me for not doing it right?
krista4
Footballguy
Uh oh, just remembered I should tag another person who is closely related to a poster currently on timeout. @Red Hot Tamales
rockaction
Footballguy
cuz...cousins?
Love @facookmaybe comments about Imagine. He may be right.
And this just proved I can tag, too! Oh wow! Oh, I don't know/Don't know what to do/If you can tag me/I can tag you, too
(That's me imagining Paul writing that lyric)
I'm listening to the Who do girl groups, so it seemed profound, that lyric.
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Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
LOL.That just took me to the album.
I eat my previous moc'n!
I used the direct song link option, so...it appears that the software is at fault.
The song I linked to was Mantra... with Trent Reznor (keyboard) & Josh Homme (bass & guitar).
The lyrics take it over the top too.
krista4
Footballguy
This is perfect.
krista4
Footballguy
Cool, will give a listen.LOL.
I eat my previous moc'n!
I used the direct song link option, so...it appears that the software is at fault.
The song I linked to was Mantra... with Trent Reznor (keyboard) & Josh Homme (bass & guitar).
The lyrics take it over the top too.
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
No rush.
But as one of the few who didn't get the Foo, this is a masterpiece ta me.
Edit: one must listen to the end. Have patience.
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krista4
Footballguy
Listening now. The vocal is ####### incredible. Mesmerizing. What I don't like is the drumming.No rush.
But as one of the few who didn't get the Foo, this is a masterpiece.
Sorry, Dave.
