You consider that light?? A lot better than most owners probably have. Two top 10 RB's and decent depth.
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RB James Robinson, NE (4 Viewers)
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socrates
Footballguy
I think it is a good trade. RB depth can dry up in a heartbeat, no doubt, but I like your depth.
He is hurt. He has an ankle sprain.....not sure the severity but he is playing through it.
JamboTaylor
Footballguy
I’ve been offered a 2021 first which is tempting. Especially considering I picked him up for nothing.
socrates
Footballguy
I would accept that offer. I don't know that it represents a value for you (I think that is what Robinson is worth right now), but, at this point, you have to be concerned that his value bottoms out quickly. I would pull the trigger on that deal, especially if there remains a chance that pick is more than a late-round pick.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
Agreed. Whole new mgmt and coaching staff will come in next year and who knows how Robinson will fit into the system.
he’s perfect for the dying days of the Marrone/Caldwell regime because he’s a good attitude/try hard guy (i.e. not Fournette)
he’s also benefitted from a lack of competition with Ozigbo and Armstead out
tombonneau
Footballguy
Looking like today will be his best game of year so far. Boy he looks the part. Thompson being out might really open things up for him.
If he stays healthy top 5 finish is in the cards. And this isn’t just a pure volume play, he’s actually good.
If he stays healthy top 5 finish is in the cards. And this isn’t just a pure volume play, he’s actually good.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t see a top 5 finish unless Thompson is out for awhile. They’ll be playing from behind a lot. Top 10-12 feels safe though, if he’s healthy.
What is the opposite of the sunk cost fallacy?
Hankmoody
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Robinson was a beast today on several runs. No really long ones to speak of, but he moved the ball effectively. He's 22/119, over 5 YPC on the day. He showed an awful deft awareness switching hands and securing the ball over the pylon on his touchdown catch.
I'm not sure I'd take a late first for him, though doeseatplace raises a great point about a new coaching situation and where he'll fare within that change. Guess you either believe in him, or you don't. The bottom line is that coaches will see that he's UDFA and a 4.64. If they dig a little harder, though...
Plus, he's got plenty of tape to judge now. We. Shall. See.
I'm not sure I'd take a late first for him, though doeseatplace raises a great point about a new coaching situation and where he'll fare within that change. Guess you either believe in him, or you don't. The bottom line is that coaches will see that he's UDFA and a 4.64. If they dig a little harder, though...
Plus, he's got plenty of tape to judge now. We. Shall. See.
habsfan
Footballguy
I was pleased to see him in the backfield when they were down on the scoreboard. Maybe they know what's what now.
rockaction
Footballguy
Robinson is third overall in points scored for running backs in half PPR. As far as average points scored, he's seventh.
Not bad for somebody likely on your waiver wire after your drafts.
Not bad for somebody likely on your waiver wire after your drafts.
All of a sudden, after "he's unproven," "Jax sucks, why would I want their RB," "you want WAY too much in a trade for him," I'm getting some offers. Now I'm wondering if I should just hang onto him, though.
Would you trade him in a keeper league (lowest possible keeper price) for a top WR? Or is he more valuable as a hold?
Would you trade him in a keeper league (lowest possible keeper price) for a top WR? Or is he more valuable as a hold?
geneyus
Footballguy
I play in a hybrid redraft league. We keep three and they're keeper value drops 2 rounds each year. I picked up JRob off waivers making him a 15rd pick next season. I wouldn't give him up for anything. If he continues doing what he's doing he'll be a top 8 pick next year. In standard scoring, he's number 3 in total points for RB, WR and TE's.
lardonastick
Footballguy
Concept Coop
Footballguy
3 keepers; no pick penalty. Salary-cap league; he’s minimum salary (last buy of three draft), when top RBs who are able to be bought in auction cost about 1/3 of cap.
Trade would be a top-5 WR who is prohibitive as a keeper b/c of his high salary.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I'd keep Robinson, personally. WR is as deep as it's ever been, while RB is pretty sparse.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
LOL @ this guy being an RB2. Good luck finding 12 better running backs.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I think Robinson has produced well in enough games now to think he is the real deal.
1st round picks are great but if you are just going to turn those picks into other RB why not just keep Robinson instead?
As people have said there just are not very many RB who are as consistently productive right now. Robinson is one of those players.
If you have needs at WR or TE then sure consider moving Robinson for a top player like Kittle or Hopkins or something but otherwise I think you just keep starting him and counting your lucky stars that you got him.
1st round picks are great but if you are just going to turn those picks into other RB why not just keep Robinson instead?
As people have said there just are not very many RB who are as consistently productive right now. Robinson is one of those players.
If you have needs at WR or TE then sure consider moving Robinson for a top player like Kittle or Hopkins or something but otherwise I think you just keep starting him and counting your lucky stars that you got him.
Because pedigree matters both in terms of on-the-field opportunity and dynasty trade value
Biabreakable
Footballguy
It does but the guy has already proven himself to be a good RB and he is getting lots of opportunity now.
Jacksonville did cut their top 10 RB pick Fournette so they could use Robsinson instead.
This situation reminds me of the saying I would rather have a bird in hand then two in the bush. The slow start for high pedigree RBs this season should be a cautionary tale for anyone. We had a run of a few seasons where a lot of rookie RB have been hits right away. That has become a unfulfilled expectation for most of them so far this year.
Perceived value and actual value one of the most fascinating things about this hobby.
Aznflyer14
Footballguy
Well, now that Minshew has sustained multiple fractures and a strained ligament in his right thumb, it's possible that Jaguars would have lean onto James Robinson quite more.
Deamon
Footballguy
and that teams absolutely stack the box and force Luton to try to throw to beat them.
Also less TD opportunity.
I think the Minshew injury hurts Robinson
barackdhouse
Footballguy
What do we know about the backup QB? Can he throw it better than a guy with a messed up thumb?
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I haven't watched many Jax games (only when they're on local TV or prime time, which was twice this year) but have teams been afraid of Minshew? Only playing 6 in the box, so they can drop 5 and keep Minshew Mania from running wild on them?
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
Teams aren’t scared of Minshew - at all - but they respected him more than they’ll respect whoever this Luton guy is. If Thompson is playing we might be in for a few rough weeks. If he’s not, hopefully the dump-offs make up for the lack of efficiency in PPR leagues.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
To the contrary. The Stache’s weaknesses and vulnerabilities are well-established and the defensive game plans write themselves. Minshew continues to have sporadic success thanks to mobility, football IQ, and a little moxie but he’s hit his ceiling as a competent career backup.
I have no idea what Luton brings, but know exactly what Glennon brings, so I accept Luton as the logical alternative
I continually find it fascinating that we write off a young QB after 20 games. This is a guy who came out of nowhere and finished as QB10 last year.
I admit that I'm guilty of it myself, I want no part of Daniel Jones and I avoided Haskins like the plague. But I still hear the siren song of Josh Rosen!
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, I've been watching eight games on Game Mix and Wilkins is in there an awful lot for the amount of attention I'm paying, anyway.
How many carries does Taylor have?
tombonneau
Footballguy
He was RB3 in .5ppr beofre bye. This Luton thing is real x-factor. Hopefully dump off city.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I'm holding out hope that Luton is serviceable*. I have heard he has a big arm. Considering how horrible Minshew's deep/intermediate balls were, if this guy comes in with any accuracy at all on deeper shots, like to Chark, then the arrow could actually be pointing up for Robinson.
The biggest question mark are the dump off passes. Some QBs just can't do it, some are more likely to try than others. Interested to find out.
I think on volume alone, he will hold his inseason value.
*but watch out for in your ear
The biggest question mark are the dump off passes. Some QBs just can't do it, some are more likely to try than others. Interested to find out.
I think on volume alone, he will hold his inseason value.
*but watch out for in your ear
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I was a Minshew defender going into this season, I felt like he was under appreciated and was kind of getting a raw deal in Jacksonville overall. I think I swung and missed on that one. He’s been atrocious this season. If Luton is worse, there is zero hope for poor Chark.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Well so far so good with Luton. Robinson is a stud. The guy is just good. Period. When does he begin to command RB1 prices?
barackdhouse
Footballguy
That felt good early. Let's see if the trend continues in the 2nd half.barackdhouse said:
rockaction
Footballguy
Robinson with 12.60 in .5 PPR so far. That's more than serviceable for at the half.
Shula-holic
Footballguy
Traded him yesterday. Total rebuild job, not dynasty but just 4 man keeper. D Adams was a holdover. In the draft this year I got Robinson, Dobbins, Lamb, Jefferson, Jeudy. Obviously I focused on rookies versus vets to do a rebuild. Also had Diggs as a keeper holdover. Moved Diggs and Robinson for a first yesterday. I had to make a call and preferred Dobbins long term. Adams, Dobbins, Lamb, and Jefferson is the plan for now. Had to trim that list down or I'd get nothing for whoever I didn't keep on the four man list.
