AAABatteries
Footballguy
I don't know why voters would ignore Trumps cognitive disabilities and not Biden's but ok.
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Woodward's new Trump book "Rage" (1 Viewer)
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
Thanks.
"If I had done the story at that time about what he knew in February, that's not telling us anything we didn't know," Woodward said. At that point, he said, the issue was no longer one of public health but of politics. His priority became getting the story out before the election in November.
“That was the demarcation line for me,” he said. “Had I decided that my book was coming out on Christmas, the end of this year, that would have been unthinkable.”
Not sure I like what I'm hearing from Woodward on this, not sure this passes the smell test for me. However, to me it doesn't really matter:
- I've known Trump was lying the entire time
- I wasn't changing my vote no matter how well Trump handled COVID
- I had no plans to buy or read the book
apalmer
Footballguy
apalmer
Footballguy
"I wouldn't want to cause a panic, but, if Sleepy Joe becomes President:
A. You'll have riots all over America.
B. He'll turn the country Socialist.
C. Suburbia will disappear.
D. China will own America."
Widbil83
Footballguy
What!? Biden is literally being fed typed answers to pre screened questions on the teleprompter things have gotten so bad with him lately.
https://mobile.twitter.com/abigailmarone/status/1303075954764414976?s=21
zoonation
Footballguy
Biden looks like he has early onset dementia to me. I am in the camp that thinks he will perform very poorly in the debates. Having said that, I would vote for this guy before the raging narcissist in chief: https://images.app.goo.gl/fJhUHHoe3wwYrDVW8
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
I think I read something where 15% of people in their 70s have some form of dementia. It would not be surprising to find out both of them do.
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msommer
Footballguy
johnnycakes
Footballguy
Has anyone explained why the title of the book is "Rage"?
Osaurus
Footballguy
yak651
Footballguy
Baffles me also. I can see picking on Biden for it if they were comparing to a competent person, but their guy literally does everything they say disqualifies Biden From being POTUS...smh
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
Dear Leader is perfect in every way. All the evidence you have that makes Dear Leader look like an incoherent, creepy old man is fake. All the evidence we have that makes Biden look like an incoherent, creepy old man is iron clad.
msommer
Footballguy
I shouldn't be surprised but I am. Roughly half the Senate and over a third of the House are flirting with senility.
the moops
Footballguy
If "only" 15% have some form, I would find it highly surprising if both of them did. Cause, math you know
msommer
Footballguy
2.25%? It's not that surprising, is it?If "only" 15% have some form, I would find it highly surprising if both of them did. Cause, math you know
Osaurus
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
Dearth of choices? If only the old get elected in the primaries then there's not much to choose from at the ballot box.
Gr00vus
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Joe Summer
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Theory #1: part of a 5-part series exploring the Stages Of Grief: Denial, Anger (Rage), Fear, Bargaining, then Acceptance.
(Best explained by The Simpsons here)
Theory #2: description of one of Trump's sociopathic personality flaws.
Not sure if posted yet:
Its title is derived from a conversation Woodward had with Trump at Trump’s hotel in Washington on 31 March 2016, the same discussion which produced the title for Fear.
Responding to Woodward’s contention that the Republican party had become home to “a lot of angst and rage and distress”, the then candidate for the party’s presidential nomination said: “I bring rage out. I do bring rage out. I always have. I think it was ... I don’t know if that’s an asset or a liability, but whatever it is, I do.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/12/bob-woodward-donald-trump-book-rage-kim-jong-un
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Not sure that's really math. But it really depends on your definition of surprising.If "only" 15% have some form, I would find it highly surprising if both of them did. Cause, math you know
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
Christ has a similar quote in the Bible. Evangelicals have tethered themselves to the right guy.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
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bigbottom
Footballguy
Herb
Footballguy
Trump said this to Bob f-in Woodward. While being recorded. Knowingly.
But let's definitely not lose sight of how Joe is in mental decline.
I agree with Claire.
the moops
Footballguy
Shutout
Footballguy
I think a lot of people misinterpret the "handling" of this and make it easy to blame the sitting president.
What, given the benefit of hindsight, would we have called for? Was Donald trump not the one who banned travel when everyone was saying he was overreacting?
What was he supposed to do? Come out and say "Oh guys! This is bad! We are screwed!" Had he acted like he was fearful, his opponents would have said he was weak and scared.
Without getting too long about it, a lot of people don't like the president's presentation and maybe that clouds things but looking back, he was acting more in making changes than anyone. Everyone else (Biden, Zeke, Crane, The NY governor, the NY chief of medical services, etc) were all on record saying it wasn't that serious. Dr. Fauci probably had the best perspective when he said at the time it wasn't a huge concern but it COULD change quickly.
I know some people will want to talk ad nadeem about masks or something and how it was so wrong but we need to remember that a LOT of people have been wrong about a LOT of this pandemic at times and made decisions on what they knew at the time.
I'm not saying it couldn't have been handled better (I don't think any of us are that omniscient with this) but I think its safe to say it could have been a lot worse and that it is reasonable that any other person, democrat or otherwise, would not have truly acted differently in an impactful way.
Don Quixote
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I disagree pretty strongly with that, and not in a partisan way. I could name any number of Republicans or Democrats that could have handled this a heckuva lot better. He personally made this a lot worse than it could have been.
He actively silenced people at the CDC who were telling folks to get prepared because it was coming to the US. He refused to put together a comprehensive national strategy that every other country in the world has done; so, we ended up with states doing their own things on shutdowns. He turned masks into a political debate instead of a matter of common sense because all that he knows how to do is culture wars instead of bringing people together (link).
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JShare87
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Thunderlips
Footballguy
Maybe.
You give a guy another chance with 200K and climbing dead AND him on record saying he was downplaying it? No POTUS deserves a second chance when he's failed in preventing and responding in a crisis....this is pretty much what we pay them for.
Shutout
Footballguy
We definitely have different ones.
It may be beneficial to you to listen to the entire story instead of only one side.
The president did say he downplayed it but there was a lot left out of almost EVERY non-conservative media outlet is that the president said he did so as to not stir panic, which is exactly what a leader does in most situations and usually is seen as a favorable trait in leadership.
After that interview, the president went a few weeks later (April 7th i Do believe) on TV and restated every single thing he said in the interview and explained it to the white house press why he didn't want to cause panic. At that time, nobody made a stir of it. And at this time, nobody is criticizing ANY of the people who were downplaying it at that time (which included Biden, THE NY governor and chief health official, as well as several other prominent Democrats who are now trying to rewrite the narrative).
Again, the criticism is out of line and this is honestly just fake news being generated because nobody had a magic plan. We were all experiencing this at the same time.
Even currently, after the benefit of learning, we haven't seen Joe Biden come up with a better plan. Just a few weeks ago, his big plan was to instill a mandatory 3 month mask requirement and then last week he corrected himself when asked about it and admitted that the federal government doesn't have the authority to issue such a requirement.
As easy as it is for a lot of armchair quarterbacks to say "i could have done it better", it could be said had everyone followed the guidelines in the beginning it would be better. Thousands of people protesting and rioting didn't help a bit. The "i could have done it better" supporters should at least offer a distinct and new option if they are going to say they have a better idea. They should offer it if they have it but they don't.
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
Perhaps you didn't hear about that hypocrite Pelosi getting a haircut. See, both sides.
Shutout
Footballguy
According to the CDC and WHO, Covid-19 is many more times contagious and much more deadly than H1N1 and a key difference between the two is that there were many anti-viral drugs already in place that were already proven to be effective against the flu that were successfully deployed with H1N1. In many cases, they were given as precautionary drugs once people were known to come into contact. There is no already established drug or drugs for Covid that can do that which would be very beneficial to combat spreading.
So, the comparison isn't relatable at all.
One thing that IS interesting in this comparison is that in 2009, Joe Biden was in the White House when H1N1 hit so it IS interesting to see how Joe Biden truly would react if he were the person responsible. IIRC, Joe Biden went on record when H1N1 occurred and said he would avoid flying and subways at all cost. The very next day, his president, Obama, criticized him and the White House issued a retracting statement because of the concern it generated. Kind of ironic, given the current criticisms.
H Jass
Footballguy
If you’ve somehow talked yourself into the position that the Federal response, led by this administration, to the pandemic was anything other than an abject failure you’re simply cherry picking some narrative to what you want to hear.
Its been broken down countless times, in this thread, within a few posts of yours. Shoot you can practically just look at almost the rest of the world and how they’ve pulled it together and/or recovered.
And read this article on how we continue to flail away due to a lack of any coherent leadership and plan.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/pandemic-intuition-nightmare-spiral-winter/616204/
Its been broken down countless times, in this thread, within a few posts of yours. Shoot you can practically just look at almost the rest of the world and how they’ve pulled it together and/or recovered.
And read this article on how we continue to flail away due to a lack of any coherent leadership and plan.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/pandemic-intuition-nightmare-spiral-winter/616204/
sho nuff
Footballguy
The point was in what the administration set up afterward...the playbook on how to deal with infectious disease...to the point it was a drill during transition. Trump tossed it aside and ignored thing we had learned. Obama even spoke about it while in office about the need to prepare and be ready.
Shutout
Footballguy
That would be fine if you were dealing with an H1N1-type infection. The point in this case is that Covid is not like the things being prepped for.
This is like saying the previous admin has a book on how to deal with a land invasion from a foreign country but then we are invaded from a space by another planet. This is so different that the rules don't apply the same. I think I would agree with what you are saying if this was something that had drugs (even 1) that was already on the market and able to treat, as was the case with several being available with H1N1. But it is kind of impossible to say "here is the book. Use these three things against this but then you find that those three things don't match the current threat at all.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Ignoring everything about it though...and how you set up and deal with it...is not useless. Nobody is comparing the pathology of the virus...but yes, you can take lessons learned on how to deal with pandemics
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
Every other first world country handed this better. If you put any Senator or Governor in the White House it would have been handled better.
Shutout
Footballguy
I have no idea how you can argue that the current administration has "ignored everything about it". Forget all the obvious, checkable facts regarding banning possible carriers coming in, repeatedly asking for tracing when local governments waived it during protests/riots, and all the common things done. Just look at Operation Warp Speed. Nothing has been done like this in this time frame ever. That one, single operation will have almost immeasurable impact in the ability to deliver in a timely manner vs. the standard system. It is far from ignoring. You are selling the administration short and that's your choice but its way off a lot of people understand that. They know what this will mean and what has been done.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Because they literally ignored what the previous administration had prepared.
Banning who coming in? Not all from China...way late from Europe without screening. Seems those defending Trump in this are ignoring such checkable facts.
You have a nice night...im out.
Shutout
Footballguy
As a person who was in the UK recently, I can assure you that if you take the time to study and interpret the data, you would never say that again. We are a country of 330 Million citizens with a land mass that spans an entire continent. Look at the info, understand the economy of these countries, realize their natural advantages and systems they have in place. Making a broad statement such as what you did is absolutely false.
Shutout
Footballguy
In the simplest terms possible, your argument is basically saying "we left them a book on how to feed a horse" and then a car showed up in the barn. You act like the previous admin was in a lab and created something the world had never known. The only useful, general info that was passed along was the most basic stuff that every admin passed To them...and was passed TO them prior.
Nothing of use was passed on for a new, never seen before scenario. it is simply irresponsible to act like truly important, preventative information was available and then not used. It wasn't. In all reality, if it was, then Biden (who you say supposedly was there to pass it on and surely would have known of it) would have shared that with every local and state government that would listen. He obviously didn't because there was nothing. If Biden DID know something right now, don't you think he would have mentioned it at the DNC or in ANY interview where he has been asked "what would you do different"? you know, those interviews where he offers nothing in specific.
one thing we can agree on, you and I do not need to post in response to one another. We never increase one another's perspective or broaden one another's horizons, mainly because we do not ever begin to discuss the same topic.
We should not respond to one another, going forward.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Broadly speaking, it's wrong to make broad statements.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
The UK is one of the places in the world with somebody nearly as bad as Trump in charge and their death toll has been similar to ours. However, they eventually figured things out and currently have kept deaths to around 10 per day for a long time. We are still doing terribly as a nation. That is what is unforgivable about our response.
dkp993
Footballguy
I said it last year when a #### storm was flying around over something crazy Trump was doing (there’s been so many I don’t remember what it was which is crazy enough in itself but I digress) but I’m now 100% convinced of it..... He wants out and is self sabotaging. Unfortunately he ego won’t allow him to just quit ( not run again). Actions like this, admitting #### like this to Woodward, is proof positive. I believe most of it is subconsciously happening but it almost certainly is.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
I have read in several places that Trump and the White House are on serious edge about what else is forthcoming in the book because Trump is simply unable to remember most of what he said to Woodward.
He was asked by staff for a heads up and it's all blank spots and emptiness.
He was asked by staff for a heads up and it's all blank spots and emptiness.
