Joe Mammy 969 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 (edited) As a Floridian I voted on an amendment that allowed felons to vote after serving their time in 2018. It was passed by a large majority. The law was aimed at carrying out a 2018 constitutional amendment that restored voting rights to felons “upon completion of all terms of sentence,” a key phrase that has been at the heart of an appeal by Gov DeSantis in June 2020. The appeal was upheld. Many thought the reasoning for the appeal was that most of the felons were minorities that would vote for a Dem. Bloomberg just stepped in with $16M and freed 32,000 felons to vote effectively thumbing his nose at the Republicans. Brilliant! https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/517522-bloomberg-pays-fines-for-32000-felons-in-florida-so-they-can-vote https://www.law.com/dailybusinessreview/2020/07/22/desantis-administration-presses-case-on-felons-voting-rights/?slreturn=20200822115026 Edited September 22, 2020 by Joe Mammy added links 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tolstoy 592 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmoW-gNjjXA Quote Link to post Share on other sites
[scooter] 14,071 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 This is.....kind of a dumb move. Felons don't exactly fall into the "likely voter" category, and around 40% of them are Trump supporters anyway. Bloomberg would have gotten more bang for his buck by using the $16 million on advertising. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tolstoy 592 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, [scooter] said: This is.....kind of a dumb move. Felons don't exactly fall into the "likely voter" category, and around 40% of them are Trump supporters anyway. Bloomberg would have gotten more bang for his buck by using the $16 million on advertising. in a state as close as Florida? not sure I agree. plus that's the change under his couch cushions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Mammy 969 Posted September 22, 2020 Author Share Posted September 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, [scooter] said: This is.....kind of a dumb move. Felons don't exactly fall into the "likely voter" category, and around 40% of them are Trump supporters anyway. Bloomberg would have gotten more bang for his buck by using the $16 million on advertising. Hardly a dumb move if you want more Dem votes. I don't know where you got that 40% from but even if it were true that leaves 60% that are not. Reality is the people voted and spoke. DeSantis stepped in and said no, no. Bloomberg overcame DeSantis objection with raised dough and says he's still putting in $100M of his personal money for Biden. Screw DeSantis and his cult leader. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mookie 2,477 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, [scooter] said: This is.....kind of a dumb move. Felons don't exactly fall into the "likely voter" category, and around 40% of them are Trump supporters anyway. Bloomberg would have gotten more bang for his buck by using the $16 million on advertising. Where did you come up with the 40% figure? If I had to guess, it would be that a disproportionate number of these felons are black, and will not be voting for Trump, if they vote. It also highlights the steps that Republicans are taking to disenfranchise minority voters, further cementing their identity as the party opposed to basic democratic ideals. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Mammy 969 Posted September 22, 2020 Author Share Posted September 22, 2020 13 minutes ago, [scooter] said: This is.....kind of a dumb move. Felons don't exactly fall into the "likely voter" category, and around 40% of them are Trump supporters anyway. Bloomberg would have gotten more bang for his buck by using the $16 million on advertising. Maybe 40% of the USA felons busted for tax evasion, fraud and other white collar crimes I can see being Trump supporters. But in FL they look at inmates as slave labor cleaning up the highways and the prisons are overwhelmingly full of minorities. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber 2,343 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 This is fantastic. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
[scooter] 14,071 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Joe Mammy said: 1 hour ago, [scooter] said: This is.....kind of a dumb move. Felons don't exactly fall into the "likely voter" category, and around 40% of them are Trump supporters anyway. Bloomberg would have gotten more bang for his buck by using the $16 million on advertising. Maybe 40% of the USA felons busted for tax evasion, fraud and other white collar crimes I can see being Trump supporters. But in FL they look at inmates as slave labor cleaning up the highways and the prisons are overwhelmingly full of minorities. This study found that 40% of non-Black felons registered as Republican. It's true that 87% of Black felons registered as Democrat, BUT, only around 25% of Florida ex-felons are Black. Basically, they concluded that the net gain for Democrats was between 8,000 and 48,000 votes. Edited September 22, 2020 by [scooter] Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Cranks 4,643 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 I love to see Bloomberg upholding his promise to help Biden and the Democrats defeat Trump, especially in this manner where it's obvious that Republicans are attempting to suppress the vote. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caustic 3,736 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 I think this is a good thing to do no matter how many votes it gets Democrats. 9 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Mammy 969 Posted September 22, 2020 Author Share Posted September 22, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, [scooter] said: This study found that 40% of non-Black felons registered as Republican. It's true that 87% of Black felons registered as Democrat, BUT, only around 25% of Florida felons are Black. Basically, they concluded that the net gain for Democrats was between 8,000 and 48,000 votes. Things are different today. There are much more than 25% black in the FL prison system. If you figure in the 17% of blacks in the entire state population and then look at the 47% imprisoned you'll see the disproportion. Here is much better statistics than your Vox: https://www.vera.org/downloads/pdfdownloads/state-incarceration-trends-florida.pdf And you do realize that Bush beat Gore in FL by only 537 votes and Trump won by only 113,000. Bloomberg is making a serious impact on the FL outcome for 2020. Edited September 22, 2020 by Joe Mammy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IvanKaramazov 21,270 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 56 minutes ago, Joe Mammy said: Maybe 40% of the USA felons busted for tax evasion, fraud and other white collar crimes I can see being Trump supporters. You're forgetting the felons who are former Trump attorneys, former Trump advisors, former Trump business associates, and other pro-Trump felons. 3 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
[scooter] 14,071 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 30 minutes ago, Joe Mammy said: Things are different today. There are much more than 25% black in the FL prison system. Current prisoners are not allowed to vote. The study from 2016 showed that 28% of ex-felons in Florida were Black. Was there a disproportionate release of Black prisoners in Florida in the past 4 years? I realize that every vote counts; I just don't see much bang for Bloomberg's buck here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dawgtrails 740 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, [scooter] said: Current prisoners are not allowed to vote. The study from 2016 showed that 28% of ex-felons in Florida were Black. Was there a disproportionate release of Black prisoners in Florida in the past 4 years? I realize that every vote counts; I just don't see much bang for Bloomberg's buck here. A question I would have is what are the demographics of ex-felons who couldn't pay off their fines in order to vote 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mile High 5,122 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 30 minutes ago, [scooter] said: Current prisoners are not allowed to vote. The study from 2016 showed that 28% of ex-felons in Florida were Black. Was there a disproportionate release of Black prisoners in Florida in the past 4 years? I realize that every vote counts; I just don't see much bang for Bloomberg's buck here. You think he just pulled this out of his ###? I think he knows where his money gets the most bang. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SoBeDad 2,246 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 27 minutes ago, [scooter] said: Current prisoners are not allowed to vote. The study from 2016 showed that 28% of ex-felons in Florida were Black. Was there a disproportionate release of Black prisoners in Florida in the past 4 years? I realize that every vote counts; I just don't see much bang for Bloomberg's buck here. There will be an election for governor and senator in 2022. Hopefully Bloomberg continues to support voter rights campaigns in Florida beyond the presidential election. A charismatic, but flawed, Gillum lost by a razor thin margin to DiSantis in 2018: 33,000 votes, 0.4%. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Elliott 1,114 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 So payment to influence voting? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tolstoy 592 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Phil Elliott said: So payment to influence voting? like driving someone without a car to the polling place? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Elliott 1,114 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, Tolstoy said: like driving someone without a car to the polling place? Is that a payment? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber 2,343 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 14 minutes ago, Phil Elliott said: So payment to influence voting? Ask the GOP, they set it up like this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthycat 1,656 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 can Trump just send $500 to people and ask them for his vote please ? I mean we're seeing buying votes across the nation in multiple ways, might as well stop pretending and just allow it, right ? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trey 644 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 hours ago, caustic said: I think this is a good thing to do no matter how many votes it gets Democrats. Eliminating barriers to voting is a good no matter the electoral benefit. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnnycakes 1,175 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 30 minutes ago, Phil Elliott said: So payment to influence voting? Its the American way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whoknew 8,758 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 53 minutes ago, Phil Elliott said: So payment to influence voting? 34 minutes ago, Stealthycat said: can Trump just send $500 to people and ask them for his vote please ? I mean we're seeing buying votes across the nation in multiple ways, might as well stop pretending and just allow it, right ? Did Bloomberg ask them to vote for someone in particular? Or ask them to vote at all? I must have missed that in the article. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SoBeDad 2,246 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 27 minutes ago, whoknew said: Did Bloomberg ask them to vote for someone in particular? Or ask them to vote at all? I must have missed that in the article. Good point. Also, why should wealthy felons be allowed to vote but not poor felons? The state can't even tell how much many people owe, as county records are sometimes kept in shoeboxes. What Rick Scott did as governor, compared to Charlie Crist, to slow walk the pre-Amendment 4 felon voting restoration process was pure voter suppression. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maurile Tremblay 22,270 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 4 hours ago, [scooter] said: This is.....kind of a dumb move. Felons don't exactly fall into the "likely voter" category, and around 40% of them are Trump supporters anyway. Bloomberg would have gotten more bang for his buck by using the $16 million on advertising. This might be a more effective form of advertising than extra television ads at the margin. As 2016 showed, being on the news is better than being in commercials. This will probably make the news. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 47,463 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 My first thought was this is righteous but I’m thinking this is more about Bloomberg than Biden. It’s been blood from a turnip getting Bloomy to follow up on his promise to deliver funds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tommyGunZ 4,637 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 5 hours ago, caustic said: I think this is a good thing to do no matter how many votes it gets Democrats. This. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AAABatteries 24,455 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 5 hours ago, [scooter] said: Current prisoners are not allowed to vote. The study from 2016 showed that 28% of ex-felons in Florida were Black. Was there a disproportionate release of Black prisoners in Florida in the past 4 years? I realize that every vote counts; I just don't see much bang for Bloomberg's buck here. What if Florida has a repeat of 2000? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Commish 13,432 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 4 hours ago, Phil Elliott said: So payment to influence voting? As much as dumping court costs etc into the poll tax created by the GOP legislature here, yes. That's to say "no". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Commish 13,432 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 We talked about Bloomberg's focus on money in this state in the Florida Politics thread. An actual voter freed to vote in this state is more important than an advertisement in a day/age where 90-95% of people have made up their minds. Besides, it's not like we aren't getting bombarded by advertisement already. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Commish 13,432 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 4 hours ago, Stealthycat said: can Trump just send $500 to people and ask them for his vote please ? I mean we're seeing buying votes across the nation in multiple ways, might as well stop pretending and just allow it, right ? I kinda wish he would, then we could throw him in jail once and for all Quote Link to post Share on other sites
quick-hands 363 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Bribe? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cowboysfan8 7,627 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I wonder how many children in our country that are hungry or can’t afford good home school supplies due to the pandemic could’ve benefited from that much money? What a joke imo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beef 2,491 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said: I wonder how many children in our country that are hungry or can’t afford good home school supplies due to the pandemic could’ve benefited from that much money? Totally agree. I really wanted to see the $1 trillion HEALS Act signed into law too. 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whoknew 8,758 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said: I wonder how many children in our country that are hungry or can’t afford good home school supplies due to the pandemic could’ve benefited from that much money? What a joke imo And now the gov't can use it to feed them or buy school supplies. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cowboysfan8 7,627 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 minute ago, whoknew said: And now the gov't can use it to feed them or buy school supplies. sure Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tolstoy 592 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 25 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said: I wonder how many children in our country that are hungry or can’t afford good home school supplies due to the pandemic could’ve benefited from that much money? What a joke imo always wondered what this was called. apparently it’s the fallacy of relative privation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maurile Tremblay 22,270 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 33 minutes ago, Tolstoy said: 59 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said: I wonder how many children in our country that are hungry or can’t afford good home school supplies due to the pandemic could’ve benefited from that much money? What a joke imo always wondered what this was called. apparently it’s the fallacy of relative privation. It's related to The Copenhagen Interpretation of Ethics. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whoknew 8,758 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 49 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said: sure You don't think the FLA gov't will spend it on that? Why not? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cowboysfan8 7,627 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, whoknew said: You don't think the FLA gov't will spend it on that? Why not? I don’t really have confidence in any part of this country’s govt to do the right thing eta: and this predates the term of our current president Edited September 23, 2020 by Cowboysfan8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boston 2,998 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Bernie Sanders can not be happy with this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
quick-hands 363 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) For blacks and Hispanic only getting the money? Edited September 23, 2020 by quick-hands Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tri-man 47 8,743 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 9 hours ago, IvanKaramazov said: You're forgetting the felons who are former Trump attorneys, former Trump advisors, former Trump business associates, and other pro-Trump felons. Not sure how many are in Florida, but nevertheless ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Commish 13,432 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Cowboysfan8 said: I wonder how many children in our country that are hungry or can’t afford good home school supplies due to the pandemic could’ve benefited from that much money? What a joke imo Probably not as many as the money the candidates are going to be wasting themselves trying to convince 5% of the country that the other guy is a bigger moron Here, at least it's a step in the right direction for democracy. That can't be said, with sincerity, about these campaigns. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maurile Tremblay 22,270 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 20 minutes ago, quick-hands said: For blacks and Hispanic only getting the money? For $16 million, it's got to be more than for. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Commish 13,432 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Matt Gaetz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Mammy 969 Posted September 23, 2020 Author Share Posted September 23, 2020 22 minutes ago, The Commish said: Matt Gaetz I had lunch with him in 2010. He is undeniably one of the greatest <changed-my-profane-noun> on the planet. A true cultist, poopersmooching follower of the orange one. I would expect no less from him. I am really enjoying watching the republicans squirm at Bloombergs' play. Bravo to the Bloom! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Commish 13,432 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 35 minutes ago, Joe Mammy said: I had lunch with him in 2010. He is undeniably one of the greatest <changed-my-profane-noun> on the planet. A true cultist, poopersmooching follower of the orange one. I would expect no less from him. I am really enjoying watching the republicans squirm at Bloombergs' play. Bravo to the Bloom! Sounds like my experience with Tom Cotton Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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