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This would never work. Trump would just yell louder to try and confuse and distract his opponent.
I only saw the "Stand by" clip last night, but then I noticed today that several Trump supporters were complaining about the line being taken out of context. But @HellToupee's transcription shows just how bad it really was.
You can bet that this really pissed off Trump's base. They don't like it when the bully gets smacked in the mouth.
Kamela came out right after the debate on CNN and said Joe is not dropping out of any debates.
IMO he put a little emphasis on "somebody's" got to do something about... after he said the "stand down, stand by" comment. Basically saying that he won't condemn them because at least they are doing something about the left.
Ok then. What you said was incorrect though.I’m not the one clinging. That’s funny thanks.
FWIW, his own Senator doesn't think he was clear.I’m not the one clinging. That’s funny thanks.
The only other option to firing back at Trump was to be steamrolled. Had he taken the high road all night they would be calling him soft, wussy, cuck etc right now.
Went into debate thinking Trump would try and do everything he could to turn Biden into a gaffe machine. He tried hard and that didn't happen.
And what did he say when specifically asked about the Proud Boys.WALLACE: “Are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups…”
TRUMP: “Sure…”
I'm good on this one, please move on.
The random one-word and short sentences Trump would blurt out while Joe was talking were definitely coached as a way to try to make Biden stumble and lose his train of thought. Several I recall off the top of my head were contextless, random, and just plain odd:
Not sure either of them could take that type of jolt. Might actually help Biden though...shock him back on track to a line of thought.
Socialist medicine a few times I believe too.
Why should he? He won the debate. He stood up to the "CornPop of The Right" and figuratively smashed him right in the mush.
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I understand the desire to see Biden throw proverbial punches.
Should is a different story. I said in the poll thread about more debates...Id rather see him release a statement or make a public statement stating that the debate was a trainwreck and not what the American people deserve. It is clear having a rational and civil debate with the President is not possible. Rather than sit through 2 more nights of lies, misinformation, insults and slandering my son...I will not partake in any more debates. Instead, I will conduct a series of town hall events and televised/streamed 30 minute speeches on the issues to inform the voters of what I stand for and what my administration will do.
I think the problem is he just doesn't know how to do that without his usual tactics. He barely understands the issues as it is - do we really think he's going to magically learn to run a campaign and pivot on issues when by his team's own admission he didn't spend a lot of time preparing for the debate. MT posted Frum's analysis and I agreed with most of it - Trump assumes people want him to be domineering because that's part of what helped him win last time. It doesn't seem to be getting across to him that a lot of people want civility and decency. There's only so many people out there that could watch last night and find it glorious - and he already had their votes wrapped up.
I said in one of these threads (it's hard to keep up) that it made no sense that Trump didn't denounce them. It would have been easy to do and I don't think he would lose a single vote over doing it. I'm not sure which will be worse - if he let's this narrative sit out there without addressing it or if they claim he misspoke (which is what I actually thought in the moment). Either will look bad and I agree at this point is a major gaffe for him.
Totally agree on this but I will say that we've heard from a few folks that normally would reply with "both of them are horrible" and they are basically saying Trump just proved the point that many have said about him for years - that's he's too much of an embarrassment to allow him to run the country for four more years. As someone planning to vote for Biden I will take any logic someone wants to use to either not vote for Trump or more importantly to vote for Biden. Even if they feel like they have to hold their nose while they do it. At least with Biden you have someone who seems like a decent human being.
I don't actually want him to do this but if Biden had done the same but with Man...Woman...Person....Camera....TV I would have freaking lost it.
All I know is we have someone who is less indecent than Trump. That's not a high bar. There are areas of Biden's past that I don't feel comfortable with. The way he treated the other person involved in the accident that killed his first wife. The somewhat creepy / touchy behavior that surfaces from time to time. His fluidity in terms of political stances. I'm not entirely sure what he stands for, his messages have varied over time. I suppose that's inevitable when you've been in politics as long as he has. And I know its a periphery thing, and Trump and those in his orbit are again a zillion times worse, but I'm really not comfortable with how Hunter does seem to have benefited, even indirectly, from his father's position and influence. Beyond all that, Joe is clearly past it, he looked ancient last night to a greater degree than Trump.
I agree with this. It worked better in 2016 because Hillary was less likeable than Biden. She also did a better job of fighting back, which ironically hurt her because it looked less like bullying by Trump and more like two fighters trading punches.
Sure, that's fair- I should probably add " by comparison" to my post. I don't disagree with the idea that this really shouldn't be the 2 people we are left with. But honestly, there's so much vitriol between the sides that's there's almost a certain mentality that you have to have to even want to enter politics to begin with. Seems like those who go in wanting to actually do good get eating alive by the machine and burn out or drop out. And I'm not sure I can blame any of them - no chance I would want to do it.
I voted for Trump in 2016 and I agree with this. I loved seeing him take down that smarmy Hillary. I didn't think Trump was really being a bully back then, because he was just reacting to Hillary's attacks.
How is that not excellent? Last night was 100% catering to a small group of people, not a giant mass of moderates. That appeared to be the strategy. What am I missing?
One of the talking heads pointed out that Trump was his own worst enemy last night. Biden’s gaffes usually happen when he gets rambling and Trump kept interrupting him before he could get to that point.
Great point. It was brilliant strategy to get Biden flustered, and rambling......but Trump didn’t let him talk enough to look as incoherent and elderly as Biden really is. The goal should always be 1) fluster Biden and get him off script, 2) let him ramble.
There's a two fold problem for Trump on that:
Agreed. Everyone knows Biden had to overcome stuttering but it rarely surfaces anymore. There were several instances of him stuttering last night. He fumbled / transposed figures all night, usually correcting himself, but if Trump was a little more nuanced he might realize he would benefit by interrupting less and letting Joe paint himself into a corner.
Probably the most disgusting part is that the White Supremacists don’t care. He could have given a full condemnation of them and not a single person would support him less. They would excuse it as him saying what he needed to for the cameras so that he could get re-elected. Yet he still wouldn’t do it.
I was waiting for Trump to mock Biden's stumbling. I was halfway expecting a Billy Madison, "To-to-to-to-today, junior!"...but maybe make it "senior" or something because Trump does actually have some decent juvenile insults from time to time.
People have repeatedly suggested the ability to cut mics, I think remotely controlled shock collars on the candidates is more appropriate.
I assume it's because the t.v. producers think what we're currently getting is better television. Trump knows this and plays on it - if it's on t.v. it's entertainment first, all other considerations second.
