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🐘 🐴 2020 Presidential Debates thread - 2nd Debate October 15 (3 Viewers)
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IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Or "I think Trump is a racist, and here's my evidence to support that belief." That should be totally fine IMO. It's not the same thing as making fun of him for having a funny haircut or being obese. Trump is a very easy person to make fun of, but I try my best to avoid mocking him for his physical appearance.
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
Of course! I'm not defending the statement, I am saying that the statement is pretty much meaningless to this conversation. At least in the macro sense. Maybe in micro sense it helps the tiny fraction of the population without known risk factors feel safer, but how does it really impact our analysis of the situation or future policy decisions or even indict the media? I say does none of those things. Just gets "likes" from those that want to show us "the truth"!
Redwes25
Footballguy
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Not necessarily, it could just be pandering. If I ran for office, I would have to pander to unions, but I don’t believe in them. Trump could be doing the same with racists.
Redwes25
Footballguy
He has years of racist acts and statements going back to the 1970s. His actions pre-date ever running for office. Anyone who thinks he isn't a racist is in denial.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
That's a valid point. This article has an interesting analysis of a 1991 Trump interview where he talks about David Duke. Basically, Trump shrewdly observed that it was a bad move for George H. Bush to loudly denounce Duke, because Duke was very popular with a lot of white voters, and you don't gain much by alienating those people.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
That was around the time Biden said he didn't want his kids growing up in a racial jungle. Also these quotes.
“Well, I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.”
“In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”
"Poor kids are just as bright as white kids"
Oh yeah, authored the worst crime bill for blacks ever.
Pitchfork
Footballguy
There's no media bias here, it's the CDC saying 300k excess deaths, with about 3/4 being attributed to covid. I simply asked if it's not from covid what is the supposed silent/unspoken cause of those excess deaths.Read him carefully. He is only saying that almost everyone that died from Covid had something else wrong with them that likely contributed to the death. He is educating us on something that those that read/listen/watch the bias media have known since early on.Ok, there are 216k deaths attributed to covid. There are 299k excess deaths. So if not covid, then what is responsible for these hundreds of thousands of EXCESS deaths?I’m in the medical field on the frontline. If you think everything you hear about COVID is accurate because what the media says..........
If you saw the raw numbers of individuals that actually expired (still not a good thing) from COVID and JUST COVID, you’d be shocked. That’s why politics are the devil and it’s a shame. I gave myand I’m out
General Malaise
Footballguy
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
IMO Biden should have been comparing carbon based fuels to fast food. Both are cheap, fast, easy and in the case of fast food, delicious. Nobody wants to get rid of fast food, or carbon fuels, as it's fine in moderation. However it's not healthy for a person, or the planet, to live on either alone.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
I’m not a gambler, but I think I’ll take that bet. To clarify, you’ll pay me 10x the amount I offer that Biden steps down by January 22, 2021? If so, I’ll bet $1000 to your $10,000. Deal?stlrams said:
[scooter]
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caustic
Footballguy
FiveThirtyEight released the comparison of their pre-debate and post-debate polling: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-biden-final-debate-poll/
-People liked Biden's performance and policies more
-Both candidates saw their net favorability slightly increase
-Pretty much nobody changed their vote intention
-People liked Biden's performance and policies more
-Both candidates saw their net favorability slightly increase
-Pretty much nobody changed their vote intention
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
If I can ask, what type of frontline worker?I’m in the medical field on the frontline. If you think everything you hear about COVID is accurate because what the media says..........
If you saw the raw numbers of individuals that actually expired (still not a good thing) from COVID and JUST COVID, you’d be shocked. That’s why politics are the devil and it’s a shame. I gave my
Redwes25
Footballguy
LOL, classic take a couple of quotes to paint the other side but close a blind eye to the actual racist. You can't deny being sued for violations of fair housing act by the DOJ and then settling those claims for millions. You can't ignore his actions related to the central park jogging case where he still claims those wrongly convicted as guilty. Those are outright racists acts. Tie that to years of cultivating that support. He is a racist and there is no doubt.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
He’s saying one of two things:
1. Covid deaths occurred mostly in people with comorbidities.
2. Any death while infected with covid is classified as death by covid.
One of those points is 100% accurate (and true for just about every major cause of death btw), while the other is a talking point to minimize covid’s impact. When I read his post, it sounded like he was alluding to #2.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
I don’t know what your response means, but I saw the unceremonious backpedal. Again, not a gambler, but does anyone ever get excited about 1 to 10 odds?
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
I think it’s a local term that has only been brought into the mainstream recently. TBH, I don’t recall exactly what it is, but know it is slang for something to do with illegal immigrants.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
[scooter]
Footballguy
@CSTU was an infamous poster who made a bunch of pro-Hillary bets with people in 2016 at similarly-high odds, then backed out after she lost.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
From 1987: https://www.amazon.com/Coyotes-Journey-Borders-Americas-Illegal/dp/0394755189
That's an excellent book by the way, even if it's dated.
Edit: Ted Conover has written several engaging books, and I always like to stick in a plug for his work whenever I get the chance. I wish more people did stuff like this.
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Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Fair enough. I guess maybe I’m the only one that hadn’t heard of it until recently. Then again, I’ve always lived in areas where immigration is a nonissue.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Am I correct that no bettor would get excited about 1 to 10 odds? It seems so inconsequential that it makes me wonder if the initial 10 to 1 was accurate, then the poster rethought their stance and reframed the offer to make it sound like a misunderstanding.
MAC_32
Footballguy
If you have some free time the whole sequence of events was an entertaining read. Especially after the fact. That thread had more twists and turns than a David Lynch piece.
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
So - if Trump does once again pull off the upset - will the tears taste even sweeter to his followers? Will his detractors finally fulfill their pledge to leave the country? Will they increase the scale of mostly peaceful protests as Kamala Harris promised - they won't stop, she promised it. Enquiring minds want to know.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I think the bigger and more likely question is if and when Trump loses will he have to be physically dragged out of the White House?
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
No way all the big bad militia and white supremacists will surround the white house and not let him leave - just ask Nancy.
Redwes25
Footballguy
One is a handicap and the other is offensive actions and statements.I wouldn't take offense to that if I was a Biden supporter. Similarly I don't take offense when someone calls Trump Orange man bad.I have seen Trump called far worse on here. He is called a racist all the time yet I don't see folks getting called out for that. It doesn't make any sense.
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Incredibly intriguing to consider how the nation reacts if Trump wins (per @Mr. Know-It-All's consideration) or how Trump and his passionate followers react if he loses (per @Leroy Hoard). I absolutely shudder to think of four more years of Donald Trump.
inquiring. and it will be a terrifying 2 years until he resigns and Pence takes over.
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
I assume you saw my follow up? Whether you give him the benefit of the doubt (option #1) or assume he is repeating a talking point (#2) neither version is adding anything productive to the discussion. And even being 100% accurate it is still seems like a purposefully misleading statement.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Agreed. I’m more interested in his healthcare background, as the sentiment isn’t common among anyone I know who works directly with covid patients.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Yes, but listing “brain death” or “cardiopulmonary arrest” on death certificates is discouraged. Although the methodology is imperfect, the cause of death is supposed to be a discrete diagnosis which ultimately led to the heart and brain shutting down. Secondary diagnoses which contributed to the primary diagnosis are also included.
As the death certificate is typically completed by the patient’s physician without the benefit of an autopsy, and sometimes with only cursory chart review, there’s nearly always some discretion in how the primary cause of death is determined.
I was half kidding, but thanks for the detailed response. And thanks for the great effort that you give in the COVID threads. It is appreciated.
[scooter]
Footballguy
"Universally considered" is a strange choice of phrase here.
Joe Biden was diagnosed with a stuttering disorder when he was a child. He overcame it through various therapies, but it still occasionally pops up in his speech, as it does with almost every former stutterer.
Biden regularly keeps in touch with several kids who have also been diagnosed with a stutter, giving them tips and encouragement. One of those kids gave a courageous and moving speech on Joe's behalf at the 2020 Democratic convention.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Not that any of this will really impact the voting, but 538 and IPSOS surveyed to see who won the debate.
51.8% of people felt Trump had a good performance and 42.8% felt he was good on policies.
68.7% of people get Biden had a good performance and 60.2% felt he was good on policies.
51.8% of people felt Trump had a good performance and 42.8% felt he was good on policies.
68.7% of people get Biden had a good performance and 60.2% felt he was good on policies.
jerseydevil20
Footballguy
Most people stutter under pressure. Especially when you’re caught contradicting yourself.
The Commish
Footballguy
It was pretty severe....you didn't see the story about him and the kids he's reached out to in order to help them over the years?
No, I had never heard of that, but it's cool to hear that he's trying to help those kids out, because a stutter can be really embarrassing for a kid. There's no reason someone should be made fun of for a speech impediment.
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