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Very important election for the dems...if Biden loses expect an all out war from the Bernie/AOC wing as they will insist they did not go left enough...if this happens and Tim Scott is the GOP nominee there is an opportunity to really change the political landscape...if Biden wins the question is will someone primary Harris, I could definitely see a Carter/Kennedy situation playing out in 2024.

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On the left I think Nina Turner is next up... Not sure if it will be on the Democrat line though.

In the Dem establishment lane Pete will probably be back and of course Harris if Biden wins. 

Republicans will be interesting, I have a hunch Cotton but he's my worst nightmare as an anti war guy so hope I'm wrong. I also thought Ivanka was very impressive at the RNC so she may have a future here.

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RNC - Haley/Scott/Crenshaw  - I'd imagine there's going to be a huge pocket of people looking towards Don Jr., Eric, Ivanka, Jared, Barron and Tiffany to lead them......but I'd imagine most sensible Republicans would be tired of the Trump name.  Haley/Scott/Crenshaw is formidable, makes sense....and is attractive to the Center.

DNC - Harder to see mainly because we don't know the players yet.  After Biden goes 8 and Harris goes 8....the DNC might not look like it does now. Pete will be 58.  AOC will be 48.  Duckworth will be 70. I'm sure there are some Democrats just starting out right now in their first State races that will be attractive.....but we need to see them in action.  I'd say Pete has the best chance....but he might be on the Supreme Court by then.  

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36 minutes ago, Summer Wheat said:

Just have a feeling we are going to lose no matter who wins. Don`t like the direction of either party right now.

I can get on board with this as well.

We need to get back to moderate centrist politics. But how....how will we ever back to be being decent human beings and compromising when our society is turning into "divided lines" in the sand and an all or nothing agenda.

It is truly sad and it is a real problem.

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The GOP has some potential quality candidates...Scott, Haley and Noem all had great conventions...Cotton has a lot of appeal because he does not back down, could be a good VP candidate for a female...Crenshaw is very interesting, would be curious to know what his aspirations are...Josh Hawley while only 40 seems to be gaining steam and he could get a higher profile if he continues to go after big tech which a lot of conservatives are hungry for...as for people that have a less then zero chance that would be Mitt, Kasich, Hogan, Charlie Baker and I think the left vastly overrates another Trump even with Trump supporters, that is not going happen...Rubio's time seems to have come and gone...a name that has not been mentioned is Mike Pence and I see him as a total wildcard...if Trump were to lose it will be very interesting to see what he does the next couple of years...like him or not he looks the part far more than what is currently running and he is only 61 right now.

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9 hours ago, Terminalxylem said:

I don’t think he’ll run for a second term.


The better question is, will Trump run again?

I think it’s been kind of an known thing that Biden is a one-termed who is only doing this to get Joffrey out of the White House. Like many presidents before him, Biden is doing this for country and not himself.

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11 minutes ago, Todem said:

I can get on board with this as well.

We need to get back to moderate centrist politics. But how....how will we ever back to be being decent human beings and compromising when our society is turning into "divided lines" in the sand and an all or nothing agenda.

It is truly sad and it is a real problem.

The reason society has gotten this way, is because Republicans and Democrats sold us out.  We went from a solid democratic state to corporate oligarchy in a very short time.  The Bush administration really catalyzed all of this after 9/11. 

This was the pretext that made President Trump possible, unlike other instances where he was basically laughed out of the election cycle.  This was decades in the making, it didn’t just fall from the sky.  

There will not be peace and levity again until this state of mass suffering is addressed in a serious way.  Unfortunately, what people call “centrist, moderate” policies are actually extremely warped (endless wars, mass govt spying, bank bailouts, regulatory capture, drone killings, torture, CIA coups around the world, 700B military budgets- this is “bipartisan” now) and ultimately led to this point.  

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1 hour ago, Joe Bryant said:

If Trump were to win this November per the thread title question, what % chance do you think it would be he tried to run for a 3rd term?

Sorry, my post was a subtle rebuttal to the concept of when Biden loses.

ETA I thought it was obvious: I was implying Trump loses, leaving the possibility for him to run again in 2024.

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3 hours ago, Cjw_55106 said:

I dont think Biden loses. That said, 4 years is a long time for someone to emerge. If Biden wins, I expect Harris to be the top of the ticket in 2024. 

I expect President Harris to be the almost automatic nominee.

20 minutes ago, BobbyLayne said:

I hope Biden only serves one term; same for Kamala.

I would love to see a string of one-term. It would’ve good for our country to weaken the Executive branch.

Pipe dream more than likely, but that would be my wish.

While not trying to be cavalier about it, I don't think Biden serves a full term. Hopefully that's because he resigns and then gets healthier.  

Harris serves 6ish years, then someone without a huge following at this point takes the house back for the GoP in 2028. 

Weakening executive branch only works for our benefit  in two situations. 1. States grow in power as we remember these are the united STATES. 2. The legislative branch gets its #### together. 

I wouldn't bet on 2.

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Rick Scott.  He was once the CEO of Columbia/HCA, a company I worked for at the time.  He was pressured to resign as chief executive of Columbia/HCA in 1997.  I left in December 1994 before they moved from Louisville to Nashville..  During his tenure as chief executive, the company defrauded Medicare, Medicaid and other federal programs. The Department of Justice ultimately fined the company $1.7 billion in what was at the time the largest health care fraud settlement in U.S. history.   Scott was not charged with a crime.  Not sure if his past will get in the way, but he sure has overcome it so far.

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11 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

She couldn't even do well in her own primary.  She's a horrible candidate. 

That isn't true, she ran out of money. And if you think she is so horrible just watch the debate next week with Pence. I wish she was also allowed to face Trump tonight, along with Joe.

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How many eligible incumbents have ever chosen not to run for a second term?

Cleveland in his second stint?

LBJ, technically?

Just seems so rare to have a major candidate that most people seem to believe won't possibly be in office eight years from now, if elected.

 

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10 minutes ago, squistion said:

That isn't true, she ran out of money. And if you think she is so horrible just watch the debate next week with Pence. I wish she was also allowed to face Trump tonight, along with Joe.

She ran out of money because her campaign did not connect with voters.  It wasn’t a great finish for someone with considerable hype going in.  

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43 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

Scott was not charged with a crime.

This says more about our corrupt justice system than it does about Scott. But since Trump paved the way, sure why not go full kleptocracy.

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5 minutes ago, ren hoek said:

She ran out of money because her campaign did not connect with voters.  It wasn’t a great finish for someone with considerable hype going in.  

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

And if she did not connect with voters, then why did Biden choose her as his running mate? And IIRC, among Democrats she topped the polls for the VP pick before Biden made his selection.

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I think when Biden loses Bill de Blasio becomes much more visible in the Democrat party. I never understood why he didn’t gain any traction his first attempt, but when Biden is gone the socialists will finally take over the party. And de Blasio is the perfect figurehead. 

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1 hour ago, JohnnyU said:

She couldn't even do well in her own primary.  She's a horrible candidate. 

And Joe Biden never got more than 1% in Iowa in his previous attempts.

If the administration is successful (or at least considered to be successful by D primary voters), she’ll have a very viable path. 

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1 hour ago, Dickie Dunn said:

How many eligible incumbents have ever chosen not to run for a second term?

Cleveland in his second stint?

LBJ, technically?

Just seems so rare to have a major candidate that most people seem to believe won't possibly be in office eight years from now, if elected.

 

That shows you how bad the current State of the Union and the current resident in the Oval Office is.

 

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34 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

I think when Biden loses Bill de Blasio becomes much more visible in the Democrat party. I never understood why he didn’t gain any traction his first attempt, but when Biden is gone the socialists will finally take over the party. And de Blasio is the perfect figurehead. 

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiI5dA4WsAA2SLA?format=jpg&name=small

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2 hours ago, squistion said:

That isn't true, she ran out of money. And if you think she is so horrible just watch the debate next week with Pence. I wish she was also allowed to face Trump tonight, along with Joe.

I think you're going to find that you're vastly under-rating Pence.

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3 hours ago, JohnnyU said:

She couldn't even do well in her own primary.  She's a horrible candidate. 

She'll do MUCH better next go round, especially if she happens to be the incumbent.

2 hours ago, ren hoek said:

She ran out of money because her campaign did not connect with voters.  It wasn’t a great finish for someone with considerable hype going in.  

Who knew, despite everything they claim, Democrats don't like women with substance. (Ok, this is overboard.) Still, Harris and Warren would have been better Presidents than Biden or Hillary. 

1 hour ago, Trey said:

And Joe Biden never got more than 1% in Iowa in his previous attempts.

If the administration is successful (or at least considered to be successful by D primary voters), she’ll have a very viable path. 

Agreed

22 minutes ago, nittanylion said:

I think you're going to find that you're vastly under-rating Pence.

Pence has the personality of a saltine cracker. He's almost as unlikeable as McConnell except Mitch actually stands for something.

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3 hours ago, Dickie Dunn said:

How many eligible incumbents have ever chosen not to run for a second term?

Cleveland in his second stint?

LBJ, technically?

Just seems so rare to have a major candidate that most people seem to believe won't possibly be in office eight years from now, if elected.

 

Polk, Buchanan, Hayes, Coolidge (if, like LBJ, not counting term finished as successor) come to mind as some others.  But agree it is pretty rare.

ETA: I’m not sure if I’d count LBJ since he only dropped out after primaries started and he was clearly on the way out.

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8 hours ago, Thunderlips said:

RNC - Haley/Scott/Crenshaw  - I'd imagine there's going to be a huge pocket of people looking towards Don Jr., Eric, Ivanka, Jared, Barron and Tiffany to lead them......but I'd imagine most sensible Republicans would be tired of the Trump name.  Haley/Scott/Crenshaw is formidable, makes sense....and is attractive to the Center.

DNC - Harder to see mainly because we don't know the players yet.  After Biden goes 8 and Harris goes 8....the DNC might not look like it does now. Pete will be 58.  AOC will be 48.  Duckworth will be 70. I'm sure there are some Democrats just starting out right now in their first State races that will be attractive.....but we need to see them in action.  I'd say Pete has the best chance....but he might be on the Supreme Court by then.  

The last time a party held power for 16 (technically 20) years was 80-90 years ago FDR/Truman. Good luck with that in the hyperpoliticized society we live in today.

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5 hours ago, squistion said:

That isn't true, she ran out of money. And if you think she is so horrible just watch the debate next week with Pence. I wish she was also allowed to face Trump tonight, along with Joe.

I agree!  I would rather have Harris go against Trump instead of Joe.  Joe has been looking so old and am worried he will not come off well tonight.  Harris would do much better, but she will probably be POTUS in 2 years anyway if Joe wins.

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19 minutes ago, Summer Wheat said:

I agree!  I would rather have Harris go against Trump instead of Joe.  Joe has been looking so old and am worried he will not come off well tonight.  Harris would do much better, but she will probably be POTUS in 2 years anyway if Joe wins.

He will come off fine tonight. And I didn't say that I thought Harris would do better.

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