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https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1327689359596859397
 

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Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero

Josh Norman tested positive for COVID-19. Tyler Kroft, Levi Wallace and Dean Marlowe were deemed high risk close contacts. All out for Sunday against the #Cardinals.

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Bills placed CB Josh Norman on the reserve/COVID list.

Norman tested positive while CB Levi Wallace, TE Tyler Kroft and S Dean Marlowe were all identified as close contacts. None will travel to Arizona for Week 10 against the Cardinals. With fewer available bodies, the Bills also elected to promote LB Darron Lee, CB Daryl Worley, WR Jake Kumerow, S Josh Thomas, and CB Dane Jackson from the practice squad. Norman, who was already battling a hamstring injury, should be considered week-to-week moving forward.

- Rotoworld

 

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8 hours ago, Insein said:

Nah. One person gets it in the bubble and it's all over. Steady as she goes. No missed games yet. 

you’re probably right, but I could see once they get down to conference championships everyone being locked down as much as possible through the Super Bowl.  

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20 minutes ago, amnesiac said:

you’re probably right, but I could see once they get down to conference championships everyone being locked down as much as possible through the Super Bowl.  

That I could see. Probably just super bowl.

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5 hours ago, The Frankman said:

NBA managed it pretty well, zero infections.

With NBA they only have about 15 players per team plus 5-8 coaches and trainers. So somewhere around 350 people to bubble up that dininished by half each round of the playoffs. 

NFL would have well over 1000 people to house, feed and lockdown between players and coaches. Much more of a logistical nightmare. It costs the NBA supposedly $150m for those 350 people. NFL would be way more than that. No way they pay that. 

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7 hours ago, The Frankman said:

NBA managed it pretty well, zero infections.

With NBA they only have about 15 players per team plus 5-8 coaches and trainers. So somewhere around 350 people to bubble up that dininished by half each round of the playoffs. 

NFL would have well over 1000 people to house, feed and lockdown between players and coaches. Much more of a logistical nightmare. It costs the NBA supposedly $150m for those 350 people. NFL would be way more than that. No way they pay that. 

Another thing to consider is that an NFL team could still play and be competitive after 5-6 players got COVID, even if the players were star(ter)s. But if that happened to an NBA team, they'd be screwed.

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So you prioritize the money over keeping everyone safe and healthy?

 

Again, once they are locked down and you make sure only specific people get in/out, you're gold. NFL has thrown money at worse things, this would make sense. You can't assume the worst case scenario when these rampant team infections are happening weekly. There's already a massive flaw in the testing (incubation period) that could be eliminated by simply using a "bubble".

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12 minutes ago, The Frankman said:

So you prioritize the money over keeping everyone safe and healthy?

No, it's more like a cost/benefit analysis. It's similar to why most people are content to drive a standard vehicle or minivan or mid-size SUV, instead of upgrading to a brand-new, top-of-the-line SUV with the highest safety rating and every possible safety upgrade. Or, why some people choose to live in a hurricane zone or in a city that has a slightly higher crime rate than other cities.

We all make decisions in our life in which we sacrifice a certain amount of safety in exchange for some other benefit. The NFL is doing the same thing but on a much larger scale.

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23 minutes ago, The Frankman said:

So you prioritize the money over keeping everyone safe and healthy?

 

Again, once they are locked down and you make sure only specific people get in/out, you're gold. NFL has thrown money at worse things, this would make sense. You can't assume the worst case scenario when these rampant team infections are happening weekly. There's already a massive flaw in the testing (incubation period) that could be eliminated by simply using a "bubble".

The NFL? They absolutely do. And I can't blame them. There's no significant study showing that a bubble will be worth it compared to what they're already doing. Locking down most likely 1200-1300 people in a single area has no guarantee that ALL of them will maintain the bubble especially when players broke the bubble in the NBA. The NFL is not going to invest most likely half a billion dollars on the hopes they can run a totalitarian fiefdom on over a thousand people for 1.5 months. 

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The NFL makes billions and I'm sure the players would make monetary concessions if they did a plan to enact a bubble sometime during the playoffs. Heck, some teams (or team?) have already done a "mini-bubble environment" in their practice facilities. It was arrogant of the NFL to not even consider some of these measures they've hastily enacted back in August and they've constantly been playing catchup.

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2 minutes ago, The Frankman said:

The NFL makes billions and I'm sure the players would make monetary concessions if they did a plan to enact a bubble sometime during the playoffs. Heck, some teams (or team?) have already done a "mini-bubble environment" in their practice facilities.

This right here is why they won't do that. Why pay a lot more as a whole league when the teams are handling this already pretty successfully?

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oh btw
https://twitter.com/tompelissero/status/1328032752780840966

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Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero · 3m

#Vikings OL Dru Samia tested positive for COVID-19, source said. Contact tracing being finalized and anyone deemed high risk won’t be allowed to travel for Monday’s game against the #Bears.

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On 11/14/2020 at 9:35 PM, fruity pebbles said:

NFL should bubble up for the playoffs

Why is that? So far it's only disrupted the competitive balance of the league as teams have forced to play short handed. The only dead football players are in college.... so why be pro-active and think about the players. It might ruin MY SUNDAY. Or a 15 BILLION dollar league might have to spend some money. I don't see either of those options as very good until we lose at least a few lives. Afterwards we can always just play the, "How could we POSSIBLY HAVE KNOWN that player safety was hanging in the balance?!"

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A Giants player tested positive for COVID-19 and two staffers were deemed high risk close contacts. 

The Giants didn't release the name of the player, and it's not clear if the player was in Sunday's game against the Eagles. We usually find that out when a team makes a corresponding roster move. "The player was immediately self-isolated, and the contact tracing process was initiated," the team said in a statement. "Two close contacts, both staff members, were identified and were informed to remain home today." The Giants are on bye this week. 

- Rotoworld

 

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3 minutes ago, Insein said:

Yes. Marginally. 

Zero infections vs. the 10-12 a week, players missing games and the rescheduling nightmare is marginal? Yikes. I hope the teams getting fined and losing their draft picks won't think it's marginal.

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2 minutes ago, The Frankman said:

Zero infections vs. the 10-12 a week, players missing games and the rescheduling nightmare is marginal? Yikes. I hope the teams getting fined and losing their draft picks won't think it's marginal.

Bubble does not guarantee zero infections and as discussed costs a whole lot more than what they are doing now. Can't seem to find a tracker for the league (which is odd) but so far there have been fewer than 100 people isolated and even less than that they have positive tests. None of them have been hospitalized and as far as reported almost all have not even had symptoms. Out of the 8000+ people that they have been testing non stop for 5 months, maybe 100 people have been affected. Why would they drop half a billion to try to improve safety from 98.8% to maybe 99.8%?

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I dunno; even the ultimate organization for money-grubbing hypocrisy (the NCAA) is doing a multi-bubble setup to protect players and coaches. The reason this is even an issue is the COVID-19 pandemic is raging right now largely unchecked; at this point I don't believe you can waste money protecting lives here.

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Giants kicker Graham Gano tested positive for COVID-19, per sources. He’ll be placed on the reserve/COVID-19 list later today.

https://twitter.com/JordanRaanan/status/1328710007697907714

of course right after he got an extension 😂

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Falcons placed WR Laquon Treadwell on the reserve/COVID-19 list. 

The team didn't say whether Treadwell tested positive for the virus. He may have been a close contact of someone in the organization who tested positive in recent days. The team implemented the league's intensive COVID-19 protocols after DE Dante Fowler was placed on the COVID list.

- AtlantaFalcons.com

 

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A Washington Football Team player tested positive for COVID-19.

This is the team's first in-season positive COVID-19 test. The player's close contacts have been told to immediately self isolate. The team will conduct all meetings virtually this week after it entered the league's intensive COVID protocol. Washington's facility will only be open to staff, with "limited access granted to players," according to a team statement. The Football Team takes on the Bengals in Week 11. 

- Nicki Jhabvala

 

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The NFL has had 52 positive coronavirus tests over the past seven days, including 17 amongst players and 35 amongst personnel. 

There has been a persistent increase amongst players, with this week's count up from 15 the week before and eight the week before that. The league is doing all it can to keep a lid on its positive cases, but it is going to grow more and more difficult as the pandemic continues to explode in every state. To date, the NFL has done an exemplary in-season job.  

SOURCE: Tom Pelissero on Twitter 

Nov 17, 2020, 1:51 PM ET

 

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9 minutes ago, wlwiles said:

Feels like we're about to hit a tipping point where games are going to get canceled like they are lately in college football.  8 to 15 to 52 is not a good trend.  

Said amongst players so think it’s 15 to 17. At this point I don’t see them cancelling anything. They’re nearly 2/3 of the way through the season.

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Putting half the NBA in a bubble for a a week or so and then cutting that in half every week for the next month or so is a whole different beast than trying to put the entire NFL in a bubble for 5 months. 

The logistics seems fairly impossible due to the sheer number of people involved, the time frame involved, the differences in logistics of the actual games themselves, etc.

And let’s be honest, the NFL’s undoing would most likely be from our country at large not taking things seriously enough to the point where it greatly upped the odds that players/staff get it. So we only have all of ourselves to blame.

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14 minutes ago, GroveDiesel said:

Putting half the NBA in a bubble for a a week or so and then cutting that in half every week for the next month or so is a whole different beast than trying to put the entire NFL in a bubble for 5 months. 

The logistics seems fairly impossible due to the sheer number of people involved, the time frame involved, the differences in logistics of the actual games themselves, etc.

And let’s be honest, the NFL’s undoing would most likely be from our country at large not taking things seriously enough to the point where it greatly upped the odds that players/staff get it. So we only have all of ourselves to blame.

Let's not start getting political in here. 

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Raiders placed DE Clelin Ferrell on the reserve/COVID-19 list. 

He will be joined there by slot DB Lamarcus Joyner. The Raiders seem to send several players to the COVID list every week. It is unknown if Ferrell and Joyner are positive themselves or close contacts of someone who is. Ferrell and Joyner will not be eligible to play in Week 11 if they themselves are positive. Controversial 2019 first-rounder Ferrell is having a decent year along the Raiders' defensive line, though he has yet to notch a sack. 

- ProFootballTalk

 

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PFT: NFL’s top doctor says increase in positive tests reflects situation around the country

 

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Early this season, the NFL could go weeks at a time without a player testing positive for COVID-19. That’s no longer the case.

In the last week, 17 players tested positive, and that’s a number that has to be concerning to the league, and to anyone who wants to see the season completed.

Dr. Allen Sills, the NFL’s Chief Medical Officer, said today that the numbers of positive cases in the NFL “reflects the continued uptick we’re seeing in cases around the country.”

In all, last week the NFL administered 17,161 tests to 2,482 players and 25,987 tests to 5,374 personnel. In addition to the 17 new confirmed positive tests among players, there were 35 new confirmed positives among other personnel.

 

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10 hours ago, Insein said:

 None of them have been hospitalized and as far as reported almost all have not even had symptoms.

If we shouldn't get political can we at least pretend to be FACTUAL?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2915007-report-jaguars-ryquell-armstead-hospitalized-twice-with-covid-19-complications

https://www.insider.com/ryquell-armstead-covid-19-hospitalized-out-for-nfl-season-2020-10

As I said earlier, SO FAR only a college football player has died due to Covid.

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2 hours ago, GroveDiesel said:

Putting half the NBA in a bubble for a a week or so and then cutting that in half every week for the next month or so is a whole different beast than trying to put the entire NFL in a bubble for 5 months. 

I don't know why people keep beating this straw man argument to death. 

IF we put EVERYONE in ONE bubble and don't change the schedule AT ALL then it becomes nearly impossible....... yeah, that's why those are stupid ideas. That very few people are suggesting, if any.

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3 minutes ago, BoltBacker said:

If we shouldn't get political can we at least pretend to be FACTUAL?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2915007-report-jaguars-ryquell-armstead-hospitalized-twice-with-covid-19-complications

https://www.insider.com/ryquell-armstead-covid-19-hospitalized-out-for-nfl-season-2020-10

As I said earlier, SO FAR only a college football player has died due to Covid.

I stand corrected then. When I searched I didn't find any hospitalizations reported. 

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11 minutes ago, Faust said:

Seems like the smart and proactive move by the NFL.

This appears to be all part of the plan. They've done this with several teams already and it was effective.

Well done.

Hopeful they continue to play this the right way.

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Hmmm, this seems like a problem

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1329167664686751745
 

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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet

At least 8 starters and others who play key roles won’t practice, sources say. Some will only be eligible on Sunday. All they have to do is get ready to face the #Chiefs and QB Patrick Mahomes.

 

This is wild: Nearly the entire #Raiders starting defense is going on the COVID-19 list because of high-risk close contacts, but all are eligible to play in the game if they continue to test negatively, sources tell me and @TomPelissero.

Then again making all teams adhere to the stricter protocol can only be good. Less of these situations the better.

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49ers placed DL Javon Kinlaw on the reserve/COVID-19 list.

Kinlaw is a high-risk contact of Arik Armstead, who was placed on the list earlier this week. This comes at a good time with San Francisco on its bye. Kinlaw has 10 days to get cleared for Week 12.

- Rotoworld

 

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https://twitter.com/Eagles/status/1329497421810982912
 

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An Eagles player tested positive for COVID-19 on Thursday. 

The player and his close contacts are in self isolation, per COVID protocols. This comes a week after an Eagles staffer tested positive for the virus. Philadelphia plays the Browns this week. 

- Rotoworld

 

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Vikings placed FB C.J. Ham on the reserve/COVID-19 list. 

Ham has placed 37 percent of the team's offensive snaps this year primarily as a blocker for Dalvin Cook. While Ham's absence could impact the Vikings' running game, Cook drafters shouldn't fret too much.

- Chris Tomasson

 

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1 hour ago, Mystery Achiever said:

It's JJ Arcega-Whiteside. Hightower and Burnett also on list as contacts.

https://twitter.com/Eagles/status/1329537990947909643
 

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Roster Moves: #Eagles have placed WR J.J. Arcega-Whiteside, RB Corey Clement, and DE Vinny Curry on the Reserve/COVID-19 list. Eagles have placed WR Deontay Burnett on the Practice Squad COVID-19 list.

 

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1 hour ago, The Frankman said:

Roster Moves: #Eagles have placed WR J.J. Arcega-Whiteside, RB Corey Clement, and DE Vinny Curry on the Reserve/COVID-19 list. Eagles have placed WR Deontay Burnett on the Practice Squad COVID-19 list.

Both of our lists are right; they're up to five:  Eagles placed wide receivers J.J. Arcega-Whiteside and John Hightower, running back Corey Clement and defensive end Vinny Curry on the reserve/COVID-19 list and wide receiver Deontay Burnett on the Practice Squad COVID-19 list.

55 minutes ago, heckmanm said:

Fortunately, no footballs needed to be quarantined.

Tell me about it. :kicksrock:

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