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PIT-TEN To Be Postponed (2 Viewers)

  There hasn't been anything official, just speculation on what is most likely:  https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1311724766114578433

NFL.com showing the game as "not yet scheduled" and unchanged bye weeks.
@AdamSchefter · 26m

There were no positive tests today for the Vikings, who played the Titans last week. As long as there are no more positive tests in Minnesota, the Steelers-Ravens scenario listed below becomes the NFL’s most likely scheduling scenario.

@AdamSchefter · 34m

Most likely scenario, as @ESPNStatsInfo proposed, is this, per sources: • Move Steelers-Ravens from Week 7 to Wk 8 (Steelers & Ravens on bye in Wk 😎 • Move Steelers-Titans from Week 4 to Wk 7 (Titans bye is Wk 7). This is contingent upon no more positive tests in Minnesota.

 
While everyone else has to deal with bye week choices, TN/PIT owners don't. 

But whatever. It is what it is. Hate that our commish has to deal with this headache though. 
I would bet that all your league's owners will get to benefit from this at some point.

 
That's madness lol. 

And ya you're totally right, this turns into an advantage for them. 
It's either that or have walkover games for their opponents. Someone's going to have "unfair advantages" either way ... ISTM that allowing roster flexibility does the least harm.

 
I hate to beat a dead horse, but we all knew going into the season that something like this would happen . . . not could . . . would. That's the way the ball bounces. The quick fix for redraft leagues that have roster limit requirements and no IR spots is to allow owners to pick up interim replacements and have the commissioner add and drop players, playout the weekend, and then drop and add the players back once the games are all played. It's an imperfect situation but leagues will have to manage as best they can.
Here is what we are doing and I kind of disagree with it but want to be a supportive owner. 

As an example I have 2 TN Titans players on my roster, I have to carry them thru this weekend and will be down to 3 WRs for 3 slots, luckily I can field a team but I thought we had a 3 man taxi squad for Covid, well turns out if the actual player DOES NOT test positive then even if the team is moved due to Covid like the Titans and Steelers, bottom line I cannot add players on to my roster going into this weekend. 

I feel that when this happens to other owners in coming weeks the BLEEP is going to really hit the fan. I'm somewhat lucky I can field a pretty strong roster but I am positive that owners who skate by with thin rosters and weak benches are going to be hurting. 

So I guess in theory I am going thru my BYE WEEKS for Tennessee, Commish seems A-OK just letting things go as is. I was bummed because I was gong to taxi these players and grab a guy or two but I was instructed otherwise. And I swear I'm not complaining, these are just mild hurdles, so many folks have real problems right now. 

 
It's either that or have walkover games for their opponents. Someone's going to have "unfair advantages" either way ... ISTM that allowing roster flexibility does the least harm.
If so, then wouldn't all teams who have to deal with byes be considered "walkover" games then?

What's he difference between a team with Roethlisberger and Conner on bye this week and a team with Brady and Godwin on their bye week? The only difference is the guy with PITT players gets extra roster spots to deal with his bye week hell and the guy with TB players doesn't. 

 
If so, then wouldn't all teams who have to deal with byes be considered "walkover" games then?

What's he difference between a team with Roethlisberger and Conner on bye this week and a team with Brady and Godwin on their bye week? The only difference is the guy with PITT players gets extra roster spots to deal with his bye week hell and the guy with TB players doesn't. 
People drafted to cover scheduled bye weeks appropriately :shrug:

 
If so, then wouldn't all teams who have to deal with byes be considered "walkover" games then?

What's he difference between a team with Roethlisberger and Conner on bye this week and a team with Brady and Godwin on their bye week? The only difference is the guy with PITT players gets extra roster spots to deal with his bye week hell and the guy with TB players doesn't. 
Pre-planned vs. impromptu.

I do recognize that neither route is "fair". IMHO, allowances to account for unplanned byes is simply the least unfair option, not necessarily a fair option.

Besides, having to replace James Conner and Derrick Henry with guys like Wayne Gallman and Brian Hill should offset any unfairness.

 
Maybe that is the tipping point. Maybe it is the total number of people that tested positive. Maybe it's due to more people have tested positive with each passing day. But the league hasn't offered up an explanation

 
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I'll lose both my starting RB's and one of my starting and bench WR's

Sucks, but my bye weeks will be behind me

Hope this is the only hiccup

 
maybe the league hasn't a clue.  obviously.
I think a lot of places / organizations / businesses / countries / sports tried to have non-clinical people make strategic plans and business decisions without much consideration or feedback from clinical / medical specialists. I don't know if the NFL hired any medical consultants, epidemiologists, or infectious disease specialists to put together their plans and COVID protocols.

All I can find is that the league collaborated with partners, networks,  and sponsors to collectively come up with a plan on how to move forward with the season. That to me sounds suspiciously like everyone involved in the decision-making was in it to make money and tried to find the path of least resistance in order to retain as much income as possible.

For anyone that is interested, here are the stated NFL COVID rules / policies . . . LINK.

 Below is the NFL's wording on its rules for players returning from COVID-19 cases.

Following a positive test, if the player is asymptomatic, he can return once:
10 days have passed since the initial positive test; OR
Five days have passed since the initial positive test and the player receives two consecutive negative PCR virus tests at least 24 hours apart within that five-day period
 

Following a positive test, if the player demonstrates symptoms, he can return when:
At least 10 days have passed since symptoms first appeared; AND
At least 72 hours have passed since he last experienced symptoms
In either case, a player who tests positive must be cleared by his team's head physician before returning.
Additionally, all players who have tested positive and recovered (or who have tested positive for antibodies) will undergo additional cardiac screening.
 

Below are the NFL's protocols for cardiac screening:

Following a mild, symptomatic infection, a player must complete at least a three-day progressive exercise protocol under the supervision of the team medical staff with appropriate clinical monitoring.

Following a moderate to severe infection, a player must complete a progressive exercise protocol for a recommended seven days or for a period equal to twice the duration of the hospitalization.

The NFL also has implemented contact tracing. Conducted by a third party called IQVIA, the contact tracing is implemented after an infected player receives a positive test result in an effort to identify people who came in close contact with that person. Kinexon Proximity Recording player tracking devices are being used to identify in-game close contacts, and the devices must be worn during all team activities.

Teams have been instructed to notify health authorities of positive tests as required by applicable local regulations or laws.

In order to account for the possibility of false positive tests. Initial positive tests are followed by two more tests (a nasal swab and a point-of-care test). While those who initially test positive must still isolate while awaiting their backup test results, they can be cleared on the same day if both backup tests immediately come back negative.
So it looks like anyone that tested positive (and was asymptomatic) could be back in as few as 5 days. And players that tested positive and developed symptoms could be back 10 days after their symptoms first started if they had no symptoms in the prior 3 days. I have no idea if from a medical perspective if that would be considered rushing players back, but I believe CDC guidelines are: (LINK)

- 14 days in isolation after the last known exposure to someone who tested COVID positive (the NFL uses 10 days for everything, not 14 days, and uses first exposure not last).
- 10 days in isolation for asymptomatic positive tests (the NFL uses as few as 5 days as long as a player has two negative tests in a 24 hour period).
- 10 days in isolation for positive tests with symptoms provided there is no fever and symptoms have started to improve (NFL rules for return may actually be stricter than this).

The point being, the NFL IMO looks like they tried hard to shave off the recommended isolation and return timelines (in addition to not interpreting the test results properly).

 
As long as this game is moved to one of the existing Bye weeks, I would say that the overall fantasy impact is minimal.  I have Conner and Roethlisberger so I am affected, but if this is their Bye Week and now they play in Week 8 instead, then the overall impact is quite limited.  Hurts me this week but helps in Week 8 (which is one of the two Bye-pocalypse weeks anyway).  As it stood before I had 5 players on Bye in Week 8, now I'll only have 3.

If they move it to Week 18, that's different - that essentially means my guys had 2 Bye weeks, since our Championship is in Week 15 and I have no desire to adjust that in any way.  Sucks to be me in this case, but that's life.

I'm sure the NFL is far more concerned in getting all teams to 16 games in the regular season and having a good post-season than they are about anybody's fantasy league.

 
So why is it that the NFL didn’t apply this postponement strategy last week when the Atlanta player tested positive prior to the game? 
 

What makes this situation different? Is there a hidden threshold on how many positive tests are allowed?  If two patriots test positive Saturday, will they postpone the KC/NE game? 
The brutally honest answer is that nobody outside of the NFL knows.   This includes myself, fantasy football experts and gurus that run businesses predicated upon giving football advice,  and even guys whose entire careers are dedicated to covering football.  I don't even think the NFL has concrete guidelines on how to handle an outbreak and what the contingency plans are.   As of yesterday--the Titans/Steelers was going to be postponed until Monday or Tuesday.  Today--it's getting cancelled until later in the season.   

I think that if we learned something--it's that the NFL is basically treating Covid as a "handle it as we go" problem when it comes to outbreaks.   They will probably look at each scenario as an independent occurence and make a decision based on that. (Perhaps through contact tracing and evaluating the likelihood that it's a single infection versus if there is a likelihood that the infected party exposed others)--etc.   Because the NFL don't seem to have a blanket contingency policy in regards to outbreaks--and because they seem to be evaluating each situation independently and making decisions based on that--I think that it's impossible to predict how they will handle the next inevitable positive tests.  I don't think they even know.  

 
Expected schedule change officially announced.  TEN vs PIT now week 7.  BAL vs PIT now week 8.  BAL bye now Week 7.

-QG

 
in my league, the decision was to not make any concession due to this schedule change. No matter what options I tried to put in place, it becomes added benefit to the owners of players on these two teams and there is no fair way to equalize this across all teams. And at this point in the season the FA market is bare, so having teams who have players in these two teams suffer a bit is better than having the other teams suffer by giving them some form of concession. Either way someone gets screwed.

This season living up to its billing and this is the first year in over a decade i gotta actually do commish things.

 
Should have posted this in here instead.

What are people's thoughts on being able to use Covid spots for Pitt/Tenn players?  There's a debate going on in my league about it.

- One side is that its an unexpected bye that they didn't have time to prepare for, so let them put all steelers and titans in covid spots and not drop anyone to pick new players up.

- Other side is to treat this as a bye and not give an advantage to those who have pitt/tenn players since they will never have to deal with a bye.

Thoughts?

 
Should have posted this in here instead.

What are people's thoughts on being able to use Covid spots for Pitt/Tenn players?  There's a debate going on in my league about it.

- One side is that its an unexpected bye that they didn't have time to prepare for, so let them put all steelers and titans in covid spots and not drop anyone to pick new players up.

- Other side is to treat this as a bye and not give an advantage to those who have pitt/tenn players since they will never have to deal with a bye.

Thoughts?
I went through this with my league owners last two days. the biggest downside to this is that it gives teams with impacted players extra roster spaces, even for a weekend. if you look at Pitt, this is big loss for players. But Tenn, not so much, there are what, two or three viable players? so teams with the lesser players, like D or even the K who can be easily replaced, get the benefit of someone who owns Ben or one of the receivers or Henry. Took the route of least resistance here and let this play out as is.

 
- One side is that its an unexpected bye that they didn't have time to prepare for, so let them put all steelers and titans in covid spots and not drop anyone to pick new players up.
 
Are you saying waivers were locked as of yesterday? If so that's to early IMO for any year and absolutely to early in a Covid year.

My thought on this is to just open up waivers later in the week for everyone for the rest of the year. Like Friday or at absolute earliest before kickoff of the Thursday game.

- Other side is to treat this as a bye and not give an advantage to those who have pitt/tenn players since they will never have to deal with a bye.
 
The only thing I would say to counter this is that no teams stand a chance of just flat out losing a fantasy game this year more  then these two teams. We know of course their game is re-scheduled but it's week 4, we got 13 more weeks to go and these are as of now the only two teams in the league whose lost the bye week option to reschedule games if Covid causes a cancellation.

 
Are you saying waivers were locked as of yesterday? If so that's to early IMO for any year and absolutely to early in a Covid year
Nope, waivers are still open right now.  They can still adjust their line ups, but that side of the argument is that they shouldn't have to drop a player to replace Pitt Defense (or another player) right now.

 
Probably not the right thread but what I've been wondering is what leagues that typically don't count week 17 going to do if NFL used week 18 as a makeup week when the bye week options run out?

I play in mainly national type contests and I don't expect those leagues to budge one iota. If this scenario unfolds teams will just flat out lose fantasy relevant games and I'd be looking at last two weeks of regular season with zero fantasy implications which kinda blows.

 
Nope, waivers are still open right now.  They can still adjust their line ups, but that side of the argument is that they shouldn't have to drop a player to replace Pitt Defense (or another player) right now.
Ok, thanks for clarification in which case it makes no sense to give them any COVID exception. Everyone has to deal with a bye week, these just came unexpected and early.  Deal with it.

ETA-what I'd offer the league is that if a team has an actual game cancelled instead of postponed the week their game is cancelled you get a roster exemption for them.You don't get a free roster spot because your players bye week got moved.

 
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Probably not the right thread but what I've been wondering is what leagues that typically don't count week 17 going to do if NFL used week 18 as a makeup week when the bye week options run out?
this is a great question. off the top of my head, for h2h leagues, fantasy SB goes on in week 16, so somewhere in between any stud players who have make up games would have been absent from a team during the year prior to week 17 so someone got screwed. But, still, having a week 18 from a fantasy scheduling perspective would be otherwise irrelevant imo.

 
Adam Humphries just got put on the COVID IR which likely means much more people on the first team offense was exposed than we thought. 

 
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CBSSportsline reporting week 5 game between Titans and Bills could be in jeopardy if Titans positive cases keep trending up.
If the Titans cases keep trending up after this weekend, then it's their own fault.   They must be continuing to mingle.  (I realize things can still trend up Friday or Saturday from last weekend, but really everybody that was exposed should test positive by Saturday).

And if they don't trend up after the weekend but they have 15 guys out, too bad, play the game.

 
Probably not the right thread but what I've been wondering is what leagues that typically don't count week 17 going to do if NFL used week 18 as a makeup week when the bye week options run out?

I play in mainly national type contests and I don't expect those leagues to budge one iota. If this scenario unfolds teams will just flat out lose fantasy relevant games and I'd be looking at last two weeks of regular season with zero fantasy implications which kinda blows.
Yep. My fear as well.

 
That would be a disaster. I don’t think there’s any possible fix for if that game doesn’t happen next week.
A question for anybody who wants to answer.  Don’t football players need to train professionally to stay in shape and mitigate the chances of injury?  If the Titans are forced to quarantine until Wednesday or Thursday next week- is it even really safe for them to play on that front?   This situation really makes me believe that the NBA and NHL were onto something with the bubble concept.

 
If the Titans cases keep trending up after this weekend, then it's their own fault.   They must be continuing to mingle.  (I realize things can still trend up Friday or Saturday from last weekend, but really everybody that was exposed should test positive by Saturday).

And if they don't trend up after the weekend but they have 15 guys out, too bad, play the game.
Wouldn't that put the team they are playing at greater risk?

 
 Don’t football players need to train professionally to stay in shape and mitigate the chances of injury?
I don't know how much taking a week off will do to increase injury chances and most players are doing some kind of workout. Like I just read Dalvin Cook said he hit up his apartment complex workout room the other day.

But, this has risk. Public gym risk, which I can tell you I've been taking for months and been fine but it's still a risk.  And I was thinking of the  Titans situation and so long as they separate from one another we should see end of the positive tests no later then Sunday or Monday, whenever it's been 7 days since they've been around each other. But the worry on this is maybe some of them got together for workouts or what have you.

 
Ok, thanks for clarification in which case it makes no sense to give them any COVID exception. Everyone has to deal with a bye week, these just came unexpected and early.  Deal with it.

ETA-what I'd offer the league is that if a team has an actual game cancelled instead of postponed the week their game is cancelled you get a roster exemption for them.You don't get a free roster spot because your players bye week got moved.
With nfl.com these guys aren't being assigned a RES designation so we are allowing a player like Steelers D to be dropped with the option to pick them back up after this week's games, but before waivers.  They must drop the player they picked up.  We are essentially reversing the transaction at no charge. No one has taken this option yet but we're trying to be flexible and understanding.  Our benches are pretty short and the FA cupboard is pretty bare.

 
With nfl.com these guys aren't being assigned a RES designation so we are allowing a player like Steelers D to be dropped with the option to pick them back up after this week's games, but before waivers.  They must drop the player they picked up.  We are essentially reversing the transaction at no charge. No one has taken this option yet but we're trying to be flexible and understanding.  Our benches are pretty short and the FA cupboard is pretty bare.
In our league we are treating this as a short notice bye week. Flexible and understanding is great but it can lead to a Chinese finger trap of sorts - a steady stream of snowflake situations and "what ifs" that you need to manage just as fairly in the context of what you did yesterday. 

 
Our benches are pretty short and the FA cupboard is pretty bare.
Aren't those two statements contradictory?  Unless you have a ton of starters.  (or maybe a 20 team league or something).  We start 9 and have 5 on the bench, with 3 IR spots.  I'd call that a short bench, and the WW has a lot of guys on it that I'd love to pick up but I don't have the bench spots.

 
GroveDiesel said:
That would be a disaster. I don’t think there’s any possible fix for if that game doesn’t happen next week.
The season fantasy wise will crumble if that game gets canceled. 

 
Deamon said:
Should have posted this in here instead.

What are people's thoughts on being able to use Covid spots for Pitt/Tenn players?  There's a debate going on in my league about it.

- One side is that its an unexpected bye that they didn't have time to prepare for, so let them put all steelers and titans in covid spots and not drop anyone to pick new players up.

- Other side is to treat this as a bye and not give an advantage to those who have pitt/tenn players since they will never have to deal with a bye.

Thoughts?
My league voted against COVID IR spots and have historically voted against IR spots. However, we did add an additional bench spot for this year only due to COVID. 

The rationale is that IR spots only benefit teams with injured players. Each roster spot has value, so you determine if an injured player is worth keeping around. Who to keep and who to cut...that's part of roster management.

Just think of this situation as something between "bye week" and deciding between starting a player who is a GTD. You at least get a few days to make moves (trades, waivers). Also, having a postponed player is still better than starting a player who gets injured in the game before scoring. 

It's just the way the cookie crumbles. 

 
Pigskin Fanatic said:
in my league, the decision was to not make any concession due to this schedule change. No matter what options I tried to put in place, it becomes added benefit to the owners of players on these two teams and there is no fair way to equalize this across all teams. And at this point in the season the FA market is bare, so having teams who have players in these two teams suffer a bit is better than having the other teams suffer by giving them some form of concession. Either way someone gets screwed.

This season living up to its billing and this is the first year in over a decade i gotta actually do commish things.
As a commish, I was the team that would suffer the most from this weeks NFL decision so my stance was to do nothing and make substitutes for the week to deal with losing four players.  

No one in my league is complaining about my 'non-decision'.  The benefit is that if their are any other weeks with COVID 'issues' everyone knows they will have to suck-it-up.

Before the season, the way I wanted to deal with the situation was to add more IR slots but the software we have been using was limited and were already maxed-out on allowable IR slots so I added three bench spots.  

So far, everything has worked 'well'.  🤞

 
Cam just put on covid reserved list. If he practiced with this team--could be a huge problem.   If I was the Patriots opponent this week--I'm not sure I'd want to play

pats play the chiefs this week.  

 
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Cam just put on covid reserved list. If he practiced with this team--could be a huge problem.   If I was the Patriots opponent this week--I'm not sure I'd want to play

pats play the chiefs this week.  
Will most likely be rescheduled per Field Yates tweet. Patriots not flying to KC this afternoon as scheduled. Players sent home until further notice. 

 
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Will most likely be rescheduled per Field Yates tweet. Patriots not flying flying to KC this afternoon as scheduled. Players sent home until further notice. 
Yeah, they should stay home this week and only come back next week after negative tests. If Newton practiced all week probably others on the team have it. 

 
So why is it that the NFL didn’t apply this postponement strategy last week when the Atlanta player tested positive prior to the game? 
 

What makes this situation different? Is there a hidden threshold on how many positive tests are allowed?  If two patriots test positive Saturday, will they postpone the KC/NE game? 
Sorry for jinxing the KC/NE game. 

 

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