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Trump/White House Covid positive thread (2 Viewers)
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Have a nice day Sinn. I've got a bunch of things to do today, I will leave all the speculation to you guys in here. I'm going to see what the DR says tomorrow, but, so far it sounds like Trump is doing just fine.
ETA: before I go here is why it's a perfect example. Per CNN lead page right now:
I listened to the DR, nothing was confusing. The first several days I imagine are always critical, but, so far it sounds like Trump is doing just fine.
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
I would guess if Trump is really seriously sick, the market will take a hit, people will want Pence to take over, there will be calls for Trump to drop out of the race, and in general there would be a lot more panic.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
What on earth makes you think he will take this seriously? He’s a sociopath. What evidence is there that reality guides his thinking? If he survives and is able to make last ditch pitch in final weeks of campaign, all the evidence would predict he will double down on minimization, underplay angle. It’s like smart people here aren’t paying attention.
Seriously - no idea what you are on about here.
You claimed the media were making things up. I pointed out they were reporting what the COS was telling them. Nobody was making things up or speculating.
If that is too hard to understand -
Nobody here is wildly speculating on the health of the president. And, I have not seen anyone "hoping" for a poor outcome. Sorry to disappoint you.
Hard to see the market reacting one way or the other.
There is an election in a month, and Biden is widely viewed as the favorite - which would be baked into the market.
Joe Mammy
Footballguy
Seeing how your avatar is the Death Star, I would speculate you are susceptible to Jedi mind tricks.
massraider
Footballguy
Chris Christie also positive.
Otis
Footballguy
I will say, I’m not sure it’s that simple. There are some legitimate reasons, particularly national security reasons, that our federal government maybe can’t always and shouldn’t always be totally truthful about what they’re saying publicly. I don’t think that’s what is motivating any of what’s happening here, when it comes to this administration. But more generally, I don’t think the government can or should always be completely open about this stuff.
Otis
Footballguy
Mile High
Footballguy
I added to my post. If it's not clear, I'm sorry.Seriously - no idea what you are on about here.
You claimed the media were making things up. I pointed out they were reporting what the COS was telling them. Nobody was making things up or speculating.
If that is too hard to understand -
Nobody here is wildly speculating on the health of the president. And, I have not seen anyone "hoping" for a poor outcome. Sorry to disappoint you.
I wouldnt worry too much until the DR briefing tomorrow. Listening to the media and folks in here will drive you nuts.
There are a few people on my social media timelines praying for Trump's demise.
There are also people on my timelines hoping that Trump wins reelection.
I don't think those two groups are coming from entirely different places (though I'm not equating the two). The ones I know personally are, to a person, very good, big-hearted people. I have witnessed their generosity and compassion up close. They generally want what's best for the world. I don't always agree with them about what's best for the world, but I recognize that they are mainly erring from a place of misdirected goodwill, not malevolence.
Some in the first group might partially enjoy seeing the President "get what's coming to him," and some in the second group might partially enjoy "owning the libs." These sentiments are, to be sure, spiteful, distasteful, and off-putting. I do not approve of them. (Again not equating them.)
But I don't want to overreact to them, either. Neither the people in the "get what's coming to him" camp nor the people in the "owning the libs" camp are evil people. They are good people who don't always have perfect judgment, and may occasionally be regrettably thoughtless. Like pretty much all of us.
People are quick to be outraged at whatever the other side is saying or doing. I recommend trying, at least for today, to subdue the outrage a bit and, if charity is impossible, to just ignore people.
There are also people on my timelines hoping that Trump wins reelection.
I don't think those two groups are coming from entirely different places (though I'm not equating the two). The ones I know personally are, to a person, very good, big-hearted people. I have witnessed their generosity and compassion up close. They generally want what's best for the world. I don't always agree with them about what's best for the world, but I recognize that they are mainly erring from a place of misdirected goodwill, not malevolence.
Some in the first group might partially enjoy seeing the President "get what's coming to him," and some in the second group might partially enjoy "owning the libs." These sentiments are, to be sure, spiteful, distasteful, and off-putting. I do not approve of them. (Again not equating them.)
But I don't want to overreact to them, either. Neither the people in the "get what's coming to him" camp nor the people in the "owning the libs" camp are evil people. They are good people who don't always have perfect judgment, and may occasionally be regrettably thoughtless. Like pretty much all of us.
People are quick to be outraged at whatever the other side is saying or doing. I recommend trying, at least for today, to subdue the outrage a bit and, if charity is impossible, to just ignore people.
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massraider
Footballguy
Joe Mammy
Footballguy
Debate coach Christie!
"Just hit below the belt, keep interrupting, interrupting, interrupting, he won't know what hit him. Wait, did you just cough on me?"
sho nuff
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
If he is incapacitated, even being on any kind of respiratory support, then it is that simple. He may not be currently fit to lead and that responsibility needs to be temporarily passed on to Pence. And we absolutely have the right to know.
Extreme example -- A foreign adversary attacks us this afternoon. Is Trump in a condition to adequately respond? If not, he can't be leading the country right now. And we have no idea.
The fact that the Gang of 8 wasn't notified of all this is incredible
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Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Aside from an ER doctor doing most of the talking, it was bizarre the team included an anesthesiologist. Typically one would be taken care of by a single internist, possibly with an infectious disease or pulmonology consultant. That looked like their entire ICU team. Details of his room here.
massraider
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw
This guy is trying to unravel the inconsistencies in the correction issued by Dr. Conley.
For real, countdown to correction of a correction. I say within less than three hours.
This guy is trying to unravel the inconsistencies in the correction issued by Dr. Conley.
For real, countdown to correction of a correction. I say within less than three hours.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Except the 72 hours...clarified to 3 days. Yeah a lot has been confusing ### to the timeline and nobody is willing anything...reporting on what Meadows said is not willing something.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
The story about Trump arriving "too late to be tested" is a red herring, IMO. The quote comes from Chris Wallace, but he omits a key detail: it wouldn't have mattered if Trump arrived "on time" for the debate, because candidates were not required to be tested, anyway.
sho nuff
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
This administration has done a lot to discredit themselves when it comes to what they say.
whoknew
Footballguy
That report - came from Meadows - Trump's Chief of Staff.
What is the media supposed to do with that?
The doctor has already had to issue clarifications, and will still have to clarify the clarification due to errors.
The media generate a lot of criticism, some of it justified. This is not one of those times. There reporting what is right in front of them - the fact that it is conflicting information is a problem of the Coms team for the Administration, not the media.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Do the math as to when that means he was infected there man. That is what was being discussed .
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Just a cocktail of a bunch of stuff hoping something works. And yes, melatonin is primarily used as a sleep aid, but I recall it being one of the drugs with anti inflammatory properties suggested for covid. Summary here:
You are clearly out of the loop here.
Doctor Conley said "72 hours"
Later said he meant "day 3"
A different doctor said "48 hours"
Later Dr. Conley said the he (Conley) misspoke when he said "48 hours" and meant day 2 - despite the fact, Conley never said "48 hours"
Its been a confusing message from the WH. Media are simply reporting it as it comes out of their mouths.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Yes, assuming his other vital signs were OK. Other than vaguely clarifying his oxygen saturation, they only commented on recent pulse and temperature.
Importantly, they gave the oxygen saturation with activity, as it can sometimes drop in covid with minimal exertion.
[scooter]
Footballguy
Chris Christie was at the debate prep session on Sunday, along with Trump, Hope Hicks, and Kellyanne Conway.
Others in the room: Jared Kushner, Mark Meadows, Kayleigh McEnany, Alyssa Farah, Jason Miller, and Rudy Giuliani.
Christie also went to the nomination event for Amy Coney Barrett, and he accompanied Trump to the debate on Tuesday.
I think he was just talking about the logistics of testing, not anybody's tardiness. I believe Biden also showed up "too late to be tested" -- i.e., exactly on time. The people who were tested at the site weren't traveling to Cleveland on Tuesday like the candidates were. (I could be wrong. Maybe Biden was tested there.)
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massraider
Footballguy
mr roboto
Footballguy
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
He certainly was monitored more closely than the average covid patient, but unless you believe that Regeneron drug is great (too early to say based on available data), there’s nothing amazing about his care.
mr roboto
Footballguy
The reports we are quoting that contradict what the doctor said today came directly from the White House Chief of Staff on video. This is not the main stream media making stuff up this is the actual White House contradicting its own doctors.
dgreen
Footballguy
I haven’t read the last few pages of this thread but seeing the discussion about 40% of Democrats being happy about Trump’s diagnosis reminded me of this tweet I saw a couple days ago:
”Over the course of three years, the number of Americans who say that they feel justified in using violence to achieve their political goals has gone up from 8 percent to over 33 percent.”
https://twitter.com/yascha_mounk/status/1311782967983960065?s=21
”Over the course of three years, the number of Americans who say that they feel justified in using violence to achieve their political goals has gone up from 8 percent to over 33 percent.”
https://twitter.com/yascha_mounk/status/1311782967983960065?s=21
Anarchy99
Footballguy
IIRC, Wallace said that all attendees were supposed to be tested prior to the debate (meaning the family and entourage Were expected to take a test at the site). Secondary to that, Wallace said those that were not able to be tested onsite were on the honor system that they had been tested recently and were negative.
I don’t know who did what and when, but several doctors today said if Trump needed to be hospitalized, he had to have had symptoms and would have tested positive way earlier. So they felt he either tested positive sooner than has been stated or he showed symptoms and they didn’t test him and / or they weren’t testing him every day. Essentially, patients that were getting tested daily wouldn’t go from their first positive test to having multiple symptoms requiring hospitalization in 12 hours.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
CR69
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Not sure if the people rubbed off on the White House or vice verse but it’s been a terrible 3 years and the path of our country has been terribly altered.
massraider
Footballguy
Conley clean up statement misspelled Regeneron and corrected a statement that HE didn't say. A different doctor said 48 hours.
Oy.
Oy.
And got Regeneron wrong:
NEW: Regeneron spox Hala Mirza tells @CBSNews's @amybirn that it's incorrect to call what the President has received "polyclonal antibodies." “It is two monoclonal antibodies. It was incorrect in the physician’s letter.”
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
That’s not a big deal. He’s a doctor of osteopathy practicing emergency medicine, not an immunologist.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Correct. The disease progression is well documented at this point. Patients do not go from negative to positive to hospitalization in 36 hours or less.
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