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It's like saying the Bills were dumb to draft a QB out of Wyoming.

None were considered elite prospects except for Dwayne Haskins by some people. Fields will pan out or not in the NFL and it will not have anything to do with where he played in college.  

Exactly, every team drafting in the top 10 with the exception of the Jags and Jets see the value of their picks increasing if the possibility of Fields falling exists. It's possible almost all the neg

4 hours ago, LawFitz said:

Just placed a bet on Fields going #3. And a smaller hedge bet that he goes #2.

If 49ers take Mac Jones, they are buffoons. They won't take Mac Jones.

On fanduel you can parlay fields under pick 4.5 and Jones over pick 3.5 for +500. I’m ridin this as well.

 

eta: odds for fields at 3 have gone from +175 to +150 today, Jones still -200.

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1 hour ago, rockaction said:

Then he talks about being a suburban dad wearing lazy clothes so fit doesn't matter. Really good analogy. Made me want to sign up for the product.

If  a team spends a 1st round pick on a QB and tries to force him to play their system instead of building a system around them to maximize their skills, the team is straight up dumb. Also drafting a top 15-20 player because of their scheme fit instead of their talent is also bad process. 

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15 minutes ago, Snorkelson said:

On fanduel you can parlay fields under pick 4.5 and Jones over pick 3.5 for +500. I’m ridin this as well.

eta: odds for fields at 3 have gone from +175 to +150 today, Jones still -200.

This is sound financial strategy, IMO. I'm serious. I think Fields goes three.

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3 minutes ago, rockaction said:

This is sound financial strategy, IMO. I'm serious. I think Fields goes three.

I’ve had this bet in for a few days now, and fields at 3 for a few weeks. Just realized you can parlay the player over/under on fanduel. Jones hype is all media driven, just like the big Russel Wilson trade market.

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4 hours ago, Snorkelson said:

On fanduel you can parlay fields under pick 4.5 and Jones over pick 3.5 for +500. I’m ridin this as well.

 

eta: odds for fields at 3 have gone from +175 to +150 today, Jones still -200.

+500 is such an awesome payout for this IMO likely scenario. 

Definitely hedge with something smaller on Fields going #2, though; the tide seems to be turning in the media and we're still a couple weeks out.

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On 4/14/2021 at 6:51 PM, rockaction said:

This is sound financial strategy, IMO. I'm serious. I think Fields goes three.

Odds flipped today for pick 3- fields -125, Jones +125. The fanduel o/u has taken Jones right out, and fields is now o/u is 3.5. Can’t parlay those picks anymore either. Glad I got in at +500:)

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3 minutes ago, Snorkelson said:

Odds flipped today for pick 3- fields -125, Jones +125. The fanduel o/u has taken Jones right out, and fields is now o/u is 3.5. Can’t parlay those picks anymore either. Glad I got in at +500:)

Nice. Looks good. LawFitz has covered hedging at #2, so there's really nothing left to say. I seriously doubt Jones goes three unless Fields goes two. Then there might be a decision there.

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35 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Nice. Looks good. LawFitz has covered hedging at #2, so there's really nothing left to say. I seriously doubt Jones goes three unless Fields goes two. Then there might be a decision there.

I would be shocked if Jones went 3rd, even if Fields went 2nd.  And if a QB goes 4th also, I would be surprised if it weren't Lance.

Jones could be prioritized over Lance if one of the better teams trades way up (from pick 15 or later) only because they may prioritize "pro readiness" and Lance is probably the most likely to benefit from sitting for a year.

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1 hour ago, Snorkelson said:

Odds flipped today for pick 3- fields -125, Jones +125. The fanduel o/u has taken Jones right out, and fields is now o/u is 3.5. Can’t parlay those picks anymore either. Glad I got in at +500:)

Dang. I've been thinking along the same lines all along (that Fields was going 3) but I didn't think to bet on it until I saw your post earlier.

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1 hour ago, Tornacl said:

I would be shocked if Jones went 3rd, even if Fields went 2nd.  And if a QB goes 4th also, I would be surprised if it weren't Lance.

Jones could be prioritized over Lance if one of the better teams trades way up (from pick 15 or later) only because they may prioritize "pro readiness" and Lance is probably the most likely to benefit from sitting for a year.

Prediction: falcons trade #4 and lance is taken there. 

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Justin Fields skepticism is baffling; top five unicorns in the 2021 NFL Draft

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The most polarizing quarterback prospect in the 2021 NFL Draft class appears to be Justin Fields. The Ohio State standout has been a hot topic throughout the pre-draft process, but it feels like he's really been put through the ringer in recent weeks. And frankly, I find the growing skepticism completely baffling.

Yes, I have Trevor Lawrence as the top quarterback in this draft class, like just about everyone else under the sun. But Fields is my No. 2 prospect at the position, and I feel strongly about that. It's OK if others disagree -- that's the nature of draft analysis -- but I just can't for the life of me understand this emerging narrative that Fields could slide down the board and be the fourth or even fifth signal-caller selected, behind the likes of Zach Wilson, Trey Lance and Mac Jones. The nitpicking of Fields has reached nonsensical levels, and I just don't get it. Especially considering how closely he's aligned with everyone's top dog, Lawrence, going back to their high school days.

In fact, Fields was listed as the top overall recruit in the Class of 2018 by ESPN, while occupying the No. 2 spot behind Lawrence on 247 Sports and Rivals. As an Elite 11: The Opening counselor, I can vouch for Fields' five-star status after watching him win MVP honors at the event with a series of dazzling 7-on-7 performances that showcased his ability to diagnose coverages and make reads within a system that featured advanced NFL concepts. Moreover, I had a chance to see him excel under the direction of current NFL offensive assistant Jerrod Johnson (offensive quality control coach for the Indianapolis Colts), with Fields executing a scheme littered with pure progression reads and triangle concepts. The five-day performance left a positive impression on me as I took mental notes on most of the 2017 Elite 11 class based on their talent, potential and possible road to the NFL.

Fields began his college career at Georgia, backing up Jake Fromm as a freshman, but then transferred to Ohio State and immediately made his presence felt in Columbus. In his first year as the Buckeyes' starter, he passed for 3,273 yards with 41 touchdowns and just three interceptions, leading OSU to a 13-1 record. That impressive season culminated in a spectacular quarterback duel between Fields and Lawrence in the College Football Playoff semifinal. While Lawrence got the win, Fields matched him blow for blow from an individual standpoint.

This past season, which was abbreviated to eight games due to the COVID-19 pandemic, Fields passed for 2,100 yards and 22 touchdowns (against six interceptions). While he did have a couple rough outings in high-profile games (SEE: a top-10 showdown vs. Indiana and the Big Ten title game against Northwestern), he still led the Buckeyes to a 7-1 record and shined during the College Football Playoff. In the semifinal, Fields avenged his loss to Lawrence with one of the most impressive individual performances of the season. Despite taking a crushing blow midway through the second quarter against Clemson, Fields guided the Buckeyes to a 49-28 blowout win, completing 22 of 28 passes for 385 yards and six touchdowns. Oh, and he piled up 42 rushing yards, for good measure. While the Buckeyes lost in the ensuing national title game to a loaded Alabama team, Fields definitely held his own with another inspired effort.

Those two semifinal showdowns against Lawrence not only showcased Fields' immense talent and potential, but they provided evaluators with the rare opportunity to see a pair of generational talents battle between the lines. I know the phrase "generational talent" is tossed around loosely these days, but I believe Lawrence isn't the only quarterback in this class who deserves such hype. And that's why I just can't comprehend all of these overcooked critiques coming Fields' way of late.

Now, to be clear, I don't think Fields is the perfect prospect. The 22-year-old definitely has some areas for improvement. But an honest film study reveals far, far more good than bad -- and rare ability NFL teams should be drooling over in today's league.

When I recently reviewed the tape from Fields' Ohio State career, I came away even more impressed with his combination of skills as a dual-threat quarterback. He has a number of blue-chip traits -- size (6-foot-3, 227 pounds), arm talent and athleticism -- offering a dynamic game that shines when he works inside or outside of the pocket. Fields is capable of throwing with touch, timing and anticipation on scripted plays or operating outside of structure as an improvisational playmaker. He adds another dimension to the offense as a rugged runner on designed quarterback runs and option plays in the backfield. But while he blazed 40 times in the mid-4.4s at Ohio State's pro day, Fields is not a run-first quarterback intent on making the bulk of his plays with his legs. He sits in the pocket and executes the game plan like a veteran. From old-school play-action passes to hitting receivers on option routes or progression concepts, Fields can make all of the throws required in most NFL systems. Plus, he has the ability to make the second-reaction plays when the pocket breaks down. As a result, Fields finished his two-year run at Ohio State with 78 total touchdowns (63 passing, 15 rushing) and a highlight reel that should captivate the minds of evaluators looking for the next big thing at the position.

From a critical standpoint, Fields will lock on to his primary receiver before moving on to his next read. The hesitancy can lead to turnovers (see: Indiana and Northwestern games) and questions about his processing speed, particularly under duress or facing post-snap coverage changes. Now, part of this could be due to Ohio State's offensive structure, which is heavy on option routes, but Fields will need to be able to read the field at the next level. In addition, Fields must continue to work on dominating the pre-snap game with improved diagnostic skills and blitz anticipation. Development in these areas comes with more experience and game reps within a system that enables the quarterback to make audibles or adjustments based on pre-snap reads.

Overall, though, I'd have a very difficult time bypassing a five-star talent with so many blue-chip traits. Fields is a freak athlete with arm talent and passing skills that could make him a star in a system that features a mix of traditional play-action passes, bootleg/movement throws and quick-rhythm concepts. He also adds a dimension as a runner with big-play potential on designed quarterback runs and options. Fields compares to Josh Allen as an athlete and player, but enters the league with a more refined game from the pocket. If he partners with a creative offensive coordinator who runs a flexible scheme, Fields could become a superstar at the position and lead a team into title contention as a new-school QB1 with electric skills.

 

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On 4/17/2021 at 10:54 AM, Faust said:

"But an honest film study reveals far, far more good than bad -- and rare ability NFL teams should be drooling over in today's league."

Yeah, the two eggs he laid happened to be the two I watched...but he looks like the real deal otherwise.

He's at least as good of a prospect as Kyler was coming out of college.

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1 hour ago, Andy Dufresne said:

"But an honest film study reveals far, far more good than bad -- and rare ability NFL teams should be drooling over in today's league."

Yeah, the two eggs be laid hammered happened to be the two I watched...but he looks like the real deal otherwise.

He's at least as good of a prospect as Kyler was coming out of college.

Pre-draft hype is just that, hype.  Remember when there were people saying Ryan Leaf should go before Peyton Manning?  Or RG3 should go before Andrew Luck?

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On 4/17/2021 at 10:03 AM, JohnnyU said:

Pre-draft hype is just that, hype.  Remember when there were people saying Ryan Leaf should go before Peyton Manning?  Or RG3 should go before Andrew Luck?

Or Aaron Rodgers before Alex Smith. 😉

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NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Ohio State QB Justin Fields is managing epilepsy but it is not expected to interfere with his ability to play football. 

Nothing says "draft season" like the disclosure of minor medical details. Epilepsy is a neurological disorder that can cause seizures. Rapoport added that doctors believe Fields will outgrow his epilepsy as his family members have. This should have little to no effect on his draft stock.

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SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

Apr 21, 2021, 1:52 PM ET

 

 

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4 hours ago, Faust said:

 

As someone who has epilepsy,  this would concern me greatly and could cause him to drop into a better situation.  IMO, he'll be the 5th qb taken now, especially since QB 2-5 are so close in their skillset.

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13 minutes ago, Deranged Hermit said:

As someone who has epilepsy,  this would concern me greatly and could cause him to drop into a better situation.  IMO, he'll be the 5th qb taken now, especially since QB 2-5 are so close in their skillset.

I don't disagree with you but outside of maybe Detroit I don't think any of the other places that he could go in the top 10 are that bad of a destination. SF, ATL, CAR, and DEN all have some nice offensive pieces on their rosters. 

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2 hours ago, Deranged Hermit said:

IMO, he'll be the 5th qb taken now, especially since QB 2-5 are so close in their skillset.

I disagree with both halves of this sentence.

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Just now, massraider said:

If he were to wind up in SF or Denver, I think I might take him over Lawrence.  

....and if I was in the same league as you I would buy you a drink at our virtual zoom happy hour.

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19 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

....and if I was in the same league as you I would buy you a drink at our virtual zoom happy hour.

:lol:

I have 1.08, and expect to be taking the first QB.  Looking for an excuse to not take a Jag.  

Those Denver weapons, Sutton and Jeudy and Fant and Hamler could be really special.  

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Speaking with The Athletic's Bruce Feldman, one NFL QB coach said that he does not believe Ohio State QB Justin Fields "sees the field that well."

This particular QB coach loves Fields' tough-as-all-get-all mentality as well as his athleticism (on display during a 4.44-second 40-yard pro day dash). But he is not sold on Fields as a complete field general, telling Feldman that he views the Ohio State star as the fifth-best quarterback in the class behind Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance and Mac Jones. Another anonymous coach whom Feldman checked in with praised Fields' polish and development, particularly in comparison to a player like Lance. It's very possible all five of the top signal-callers readying for the draft could be selected within the first 10 picks next week. Fields and Jones are the two quarterbacks who could potentially end up sliding out of that range. Won't be sitting around for too long if that is the case.

SOURCE: The Athletic

Apr 21, 2021, 12:06 PM ET

 

 

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4 hours ago, tangfoot said:

I disagree with both halves of this sentence.

:shrug:

You can't find two 'experts' out there who rank the top 5 qbs the same. The only certainty is who the first one taken will be.

I personally don't see Mac as better, but it looks like a few teams do. If he goes three to SF, Fields will likely be the 5th qb taken.

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13 minutes ago, Deranged Hermit said:

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You can't find two 'experts' out there who rank the top 5 qbs the same. The only certainty is who the first one taken will be.

I personally don't see Mac as better, but it looks like a few teams do. If he goes three to SF, Fields will likely be the 5th qb taken.

I think if SF takes Jones, there's going to be a feeding frenzy of several teams salivating at the opportunity to trade with Atlanta to secure Fields.

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3 hours ago, JohnnyU said:

How quickly perception changes in just a couple of months.  Not too long ago he was the consensus #2.  After all the noise he could be 5th.  I don't get it.

Lots of pre-draft articles need to get written about nonsense that doesn't matter.

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wait a sec..this is the same guy , Fields, who failed to beat out Fromm at Ga.,and transferred out to Ohio State because of it? 

I dont get all the hype. At least half of these top QBs will bust. Lawrence is the biggest can't-miss prospect at QB since P. Manning. The rest are a coin flip. I don't think Fields amounts to a hill of beans. How many more times do we have to see an Ohio State QB flop in the NFL before we realize that Ohio state QBs are not pro material??? If it walks like a duck..

"The Buckeyes have a long history of failed NFL quarterbacks, most recently with Dwayne Haskins being released by Washington 19 months after he was drafted 15th overall in 2019. Cardale Jones, Terrelle Pryor and Troy Smith all had chances to play QB in the NFL and failed to stick around, too." 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Tanner9919 said:

wait a sec..this is the same guy , Fields, who failed to beat out Fromm at Ga.,and transferred out to Ohio State because of it? 

I dont get all the hype. At least half of these top QBs will bust. Lawrence is the biggest can't-miss prospect at QB since P. Manning. The rest are a coin flip. I don't think Fields amounts to a hill of beans. How many more times do we have to see an Ohio State QB flop in the NFL before we realize that Ohio state QBs are not pro material??? If it walks like a duck..

"The Buckeyes have a long history of failed NFL quarterbacks, most recently with Dwayne Haskins being released by Washington 19 months after he was drafted 15th overall in 2019. Cardale Jones, Terrelle Pryor and Troy Smith all had chances to play QB in the NFL and failed to stick around, too." 

 

 

Alabama and North Dakota state don’t really have a great track record either. Maybe Hurts or Tua will pan out, but hurts also lost his starting gig (to Tua).  It’s really a stupid reason not to consider a player. 
Let’s take a look at your quote- Troy smith, 5th rd pick. Cardale Jones, 4th rd pick. Terelle Pryor, 3rd rd pick. Is it really hard to believe none of these picks turned into starting quarterbacks?  Haskins likely would have benefitted from staying in school at least one more year. I didn’t like Haskins coming out, but his rookie year his best weapon was a rookie terry mclaurin. Ultimately it was his off field decisions that got him cut. Still, a qb taken at 15 that didn’t pan out isn’t unheard of. None of this is a reason to not draft Fields. 

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3 hours ago, Snorkelson said:

It’s really a stupid reason not to consider a player. 

Yes. This narrative is the most annoying/ridiculous knock against Fields of all. Does the opposite hold true? Should every Cal QB be drafted early because of Aaron Rodgers? How about every Texas Tech QB because of Patrick Mahomes? 

Should Fields be considered a true "Ohio State QB" since he transferred in? I don't think that those former QBs did, though I may be mistaken. Burrow spent time on campus before transferring out. Does he have the "Ohio State QB taint" on him? 

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