Dynasty & Redraft: WR Travis Fulgham, Eagles

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On 10/23/2020 at 10:39 AM, Deamon said:

I think  he has a shot at top 24 but it's borderline.  Which makes his ceiling a WR2, and him more likely a safe and solid WR3/Flex option ROS.

This looks like a much better prediction than BL's that night. 

[Wise Old Owl 325]

what happened to this guy. I survived him last week but this is two weeks of him killing me.

[styleride85 42]

On 10/23/2020 at 7:27 AM, Cobbler1 said:

High ankle sprain for D-Jax MRI to see if surgery is needed. Sounds like 4-6 at minimum. Fulgham’s role is entirely safe if there was any doubt.

There was doubt.

[Insein 10,431]

He got 7 targets but they were not good targets. Maybe 3 were catchable and pretty much all were 4th quarter during desperation time. 

 

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2 hours ago, Wise Old Owl said:

what happened to this guy. I survived him last week but this is two weeks of him killing me.

Wentz happened to him 

[Cobbler1 1,089]

1 hour ago, styleride85 said:

There was doubt.

Role is fine. Qb not so much.

[BoerumHill 171]

Last week he was tied with Reagor for WR snaps (68 IIRC), Ward has 42, Alshon 15. This week he led all WRs with 65 snaps and 7 targets. Now of the 12 targets, quite a few were of the JaMarcus Russell variety (“looked like that might have been for #13, give him the target”), and of the contested catches I don’t think Travis came down with any. 2/12 is never a good catch/target ratio but his role does seem unchanged.

Doesn't mean you can trust him Week 12 in a massive + matchup. But there are worst ways to end your season in flames.

[styleride85 42]

2 hours ago, Cobbler1 said:

Role is fine. Qb not so much.

Not sure his role is fine.  Was averaging 11 targets a game with those other weapons out.  Since some have returned, he's dropped to almost half of that at 6 targets per game.

[socrates 565]

It is becoming very difficult to justify hanging onto Fulgham.  I will likely wait another week before I cut Fulgham loose from my dynasty team, but after two consecutive duds, there is no way Fulgham is seeing my lineup this week despite a good matchup.  There are some decent options available on the waiver wire (N. Agholor, T. Patrick, D. Byrd), so Fulgham is going to have to really show something to justify his fantasy roster spot.  If he can get back on track, he does have decent matchups Weeks 15 and 16, but are you willing to trust Fulgham (or, more importantly, Wentz and Peterson) with your fantasy championship on the line?  I think I am holding him for now just so I don't end up facing him later only to see him knock me out of the playoffs!

Edited November 24, 2020 by socrates
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5 hours ago, styleride85 said:

Not sure his role is fine.  Was averaging 11 targets a game with those other weapons out.  Since some have returned, he's dropped to almost half of that at 6 targets per game.

Playing time is what I was referencing in my original post. He’s still seeing the field a ton in the big wr role but you’re right his targets have decreased. Can’t really put it on Reagor who is averaging about the same as Djax in the one game. Wentz is also averaging 6 fewer attempts per game during this small 3 game sample size so maybe it’s partly Sanders’ return.

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Jake Ciely @allinkid

As per my concern once Travis Fulgham broke out, defenses starting treating him as No. 1 and the Eagles got healthy

Catchable Pass%
Weeks 4-8: 68.2
Weeks 10-11: 16.7 🤮

(per @Sportradar)

Weeks 10-11 for Reagor (66.7), Ward (80.0), Goedert (83.3), Rodgers (85.7)

https://twitter.com/allinkid/status/1331037357647273986?s=21

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4 hours ago, Faust said:

 

https://twitter.com/allinkid/status/1331037357647273986?s=21

This is what I was thinking as well.  I think if Fulham is going to improve he needs Raegor to step up and take some attention away. 

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19 hours ago, Cobbler1 said:

Playing time is what I was referencing in my original post. He’s still seeing the field a ton in the big wr role but you’re right his targets have decreased. Can’t really put it on Reagor who is averaging about the same as Djax in the one game. Wentz is also averaging 6 fewer attempts per game during this small 3 game sample size so maybe it’s partly Sanders’ return.

Yes Partly Sanders.  Partly Reagor.  Partly Goedert.  

He may be getting the playing time, but Carson has better players he's looking to now instead.  12 targets a game was never going to be sustainable.  

[humpback 1,105]

The QB play and coaching are awful. The Eagles were 3-2 in his first 5 games where he was a major contributor, only losing close games to the Steelers and Ravens. They're 0-2 since they've reduced his role, losing to the Browns and Giants (who they beat a few weeks earlier with a more active Fulgham). They started 0-2-1 without him, losing to Washington and tying the Bengals.

Obviously there's more to it than that, but the correlation is obvious. So dumb how teams stop doing what is working.

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26 minutes ago, humpback said:

The QB play and coaching are awful. The Eagles were 3-2 in his first 5 games where he was a major contributor, only losing close games to the Steelers and Ravens. They're 0-2 since they've reduced his role, losing to the Browns and Giants (who they beat a few weeks earlier with a more active Fulgham). They started 0-2-1 without him, losing to Washington and tying the Bengals.

Obviously there's more to it than that, but the correlation is obvious. So dumb how teams stop doing what is working.

His targets dipping is a bit concerning but my real issue is the catch rate. He has 12 targets in the last two games but 2 catches. Wentz has been terrible. 

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1 hour ago, humpback said:

The QB play and coaching are awful. The Eagles were 3-2 in his first 5 games where he was a major contributor, only losing close games to the Steelers and Ravens. They're 0-2 since they've reduced his role, losing to the Browns and Giants (who they beat a few weeks earlier with a more active Fulgham). They started 0-2-1 without him, losing to Washington and tying the Bengals.

Obviously there's more to it than that, but the correlation is obvious. So dumb how teams stop doing what is working.

... that's not real correlation. They didn't lose because Fulgham didn't have a god game.

Edited November 25, 2020 by The Frankman

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https://twitter.com/EJSmith94/status/1331622349389651968

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#Eagles coach Doug Pederson said the lack of production from Travis Fulgham is tied to how defenses are scheming against him. He's getting harder matchups now. "If he wants to be an elite receiver in this game, he's gonna know that's going to be the case every week."

 

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Getting a Miles Austin vibe from Fulgham. A lot of production before defenses started keying on him and learned to take him out of the game plan. Of course, IIRC the Cowboys drafted Dez Bryant after Austin’s big year and that was it for him. 

[humpback 1,105]

3 hours ago, Wise Old Owl said:

His targets dipping is a bit concerning but my real issue is the catch rate. He has 12 targets in the last two games but 2 catches. Wentz has been terrible. 

Yeah, IIRC a good chunk of those targets were throwaways/uncatchable. Agreed, he's been awful.

1 hour ago, The Frankman said:

... that's not real correlation. They didn't lose because Fulgham didn't have a god game.

Yes, it is real correlation- it's easy to see that when he's been heavily involved the team has done far better than when he hasn't been. You're arguing about causation.

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2 hours ago, zamboni said:

Getting a Miles Austin vibe from Fulgham. A lot of production before defenses started keying on him and learned to take him out of the game plan. Of course, IIRC the Cowboys drafted Dez Bryant after Austin’s big year and that was it for him. 

Austin had back to back 1000 yd seasons before injuries started in. Then he hung on for another 5 seasons with mediocre to poor play. I'd be happy for Fulgham to bang out back to back 1000 yd seasons on 21-22.

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2 hours ago, zamboni said:

Getting a Miles Austin vibe from Fulgham. A lot of production before defenses started keying on him and learned to take him out of the game plan. Of course, IIRC the Cowboys drafted Dez Bryant after Austin’s big year and that was it for him. 

Not sure if Austin would do it for me.  I feel like Austin had a more impressive athletic profile.  Fulgham wins with savvy route running and mental part of the game. We're seeing what happens when a team is planning for him.  I doubt he's going to be a guy that can still dominate when he's the focus of the defense.  He'll do his best as a complementary player IMO. Still worth a stash with Raegor hopefully emerging as the guy to be the focus.

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3 hours ago, zamboni said:

Getting a Miles Austin vibe from Fulgham. A lot of production before defenses started keying on him and learned to take him out of the game plan. Of course, IIRC the Cowboys drafted Dez Bryant after Austin’s big year and that was it for him. 

Holy crap that takes me back. Hopefully he isn't as injury prone.

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Travis Fulgham Tough To Trust Despite An Excellent Matchup

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Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Travis Fulgham is tough to trust in Week 12 lineups despite an excellent matchup against the Seattle Seahawks "defense" on Monday Night Football. Fulgham was a legitimate WR1 for a few weeks earlier this season, but has now gone two straight weeks with identical stat lines: one catch for eight yards. He's still seen 12 targets in those games combined, so there's hope that he can somewhat put things back together, but the Eagles offense as a whole has looked like one of the worst in the NFL, making it hard to place Fulgham in a fantasy lineup after seeing him put up 0.8 fantasy points in standard scoring two weeks in a row.--David A Marcillo - RotoBaller

 

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Travis Fulgham caught both of his targets for 16 yards in the Eagles' Week 12 loss to the Seahawks.

It was actually a production improvement for Fulgham over his last two games where he had identical 1-8-0 receiving lines. But after seeing a combined 12 targets Weeks 10-11, Fulgham took a big step back in the volume department in this one. He was eighth on the Eagles in targets. Fulgham can probably be dropped now with everyone healthy in Philly.

- Rotoworld

 

Edited December 1, 2020 by The Frankman

[Deamon 5,288]

On 11/2/2020 at 1:49 PM, BobbyLayne said:

Since his debut for the Eagles in Week 4, Travis Fulgham has 29 catches, 435 yards and 4 TD. He has more fantasy points (96.5) than every other wide receiver in the NFL since that time.

#yeahbutROS

The Eagles leading WR last year was Alshon Jeffrey. Playing only 10 games, he put up 43-490-4. Travis Fulgham has played in 5.

#yeahbuteveryoneiscomingbacknow

Nice Call.

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24 minutes ago, Deamon said:

Nice Call.

You’re lucky Bobby’s on a 30-day vacation.

[Deamon 5,288]

3 minutes ago, BoerumHill said:

You’re lucky Bobby’s on a 30-day vacation.

He is?  How come?

But yes, he will see it when he's back.  He was adamant that he would keep up his 12 targets per game.  He's lucky these days to get 12 yards per game.

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Just now, Deamon said:

He is?  How come?

But yes, he will see it when he's back.  He was adamant that he would keep up his 12 targets per game.  He's lucky these days to get 12 yards per game.

He never said that. Find me a quote, please.

Talked at length about his development and that he was good at his craft. He probably had no idea how ####### idea terrible Wentz was capable of playing.  

It’s not like Reagor is lighting the world on fire or Alshon has rolled back the clock or Greg Ward has become extraordinary. Tell me you wanna live in a world where Richard freaking Rodgers is getting six targets. Play calling has been pathetic.

As for the other Qs

Makes no sense, guy is a quality poster who never has a beef with anyone. You’d think Joe & the Mods wouldn’t want to run good people off.

[Deamon 5,288]

11 minutes ago, BoerumHill said:

He never said that. Find me a quote, please.

 

On 11/1/2020 at 6:48 PM, BobbyLayne said:

Fulgham one of the best WW gems of the year

 

On 11/1/2020 at 6:45 PM, PennStater77 said:

Something tells me Fulgham is going to be a fringe FF player going forward.

 

On 11/1/2020 at 6:49 PM, BobbyLayne said:

care to make it interesting?

 

On 11/1/2020 at 6:58 PM, BobbyLayne said:

he’ll be a productive starter IRL through Week 17 is my take

 

On 11/1/2020 at 7:04 PM, BobbyLayne said:

he came in with 357 yards

$100 he passes last years team leader

(Ertz 916 yards in 15 games)

 

On 11/1/2020 at 7:00 PM, Deamon said:

No clue where you thought I said Bust or anything negative about him.  I like him a lot but don't see the volume with Reagor/Goedert back and Ertz coming back.

I said I don't see him as a weekly starting fantasy player going forward... but if you think he puts up top 25 WR numbers ROS then I strongly disagree and we'll check back on this at the end of the year.

On 11/1/2020 at 7:06 PM, BobbyLayne said:

Same offer

 

 

[socrates 565]

It was a nice mid-season run, but Fulgham is a catch-and-release free agent acquisition.  Back to the waiver wire.  

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40 minutes ago, Deamon said:

 

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1 hour ago, Deamon said:

He was adamant that he would keep up his 12 targets per game.

This claim is disputed 

 

Fulgham led all Philly WRs in snap counts Weeks 10 & 11, and his 12 targets were more than Ward, Alshon or anyone else purporting to play wide receiver.

But after last nights offensive extravaganza, Iggles fans should def be whooping it up Travis was shut out in the first half.

:confetti:  

Nobody on the 2020 or 2019 Philadelphia team came close to the 5 game stretch #13 put up. Now you guys are thrilled his production fell off?

Hey that’s not toxic at all. GL ROS fellas. You deserve this year as much as anyone.

[Insein 10,431]

It's a shame because it's not like he dropped off. The coaching and Wentz have screwed him. Coach inexplicably keeps using Alshon jeffrey who might take 10 seconds to run a 40 now on a team that has 3 wins. Then when his number is called, Wentz's throws are usually off target. This team desperately needs an OC. 

He almost had the Hail mary at the end. 

[Deamon 5,288]

4 hours ago, BoerumHill said:

This claim is disputed 

 

Fulgham led all Philly WRs in snap counts Weeks 10 & 11, and his 12 targets were more than Ward, Alshon or anyone else purporting to play wide receiver.

But after last nights offensive extravaganza, Iggles fans should def be whooping it up Travis was shut out in the first half.

:confetti:  

Nobody on the 2020 or 2019 Philadelphia team came close to the 5 game stretch #13 put up. Now you guys are thrilled his production fell off?

Hey that’s not toxic at all. GL ROS fellas. You deserve this year as much as anyone.

Jesus man, defensive much?  Are you him undercover?

Who are all "you guys who are thrilled his production fell off"?  Care to send me a bunch of Eagles' fans that are happy about this?  And where did I even say I was "thrilled about this"?  Bobby was going off about how he was going to get 900 yards this year, kept trying to bet other posters that he would, and I (as well as FBG) saw a decrease in fantasy production moving forward with other people coming back to the offense.  I love Fulgham and wish him success and wish we used him more... but he was never going to keep up that pace.  So I stated that and Bobby kept saying he was going to be a top 25 fantasy WR moving forward.

Now you've made up the narrative that I toxically am thrilled he fell off and that we deserve a bad year because of it?  What exactly set you off here, yikes. 

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On 11/25/2020 at 9:15 AM, humpback said:

The QB play and coaching are awful. The Eagles were 3-2 in his first 5 games where he was a major contributor, only losing close games to the Steelers and Ravens. They're 0-2 since they've reduced his role, losing to the Browns and Giants (who they beat a few weeks earlier with a more active Fulgham). They started 0-2-1 without him, losing to Washington and tying the Bengals.

Obviously there's more to it than that, but the correlation is obvious. So dumb how teams stop doing what is working.

Update:

The Eagles are now 3-2 in games where Fulgham has been heavily utilized, 0-6-1 when he has not been.

Keep phasing him out, it's working out great!

[Insein 10,431]

54 minutes ago, humpback said:

Update:

The Eagles are now 3-2 in games where Fulgham has been heavily utilized, 0-6-1 when he has not been.

Keep phasing him out, it's working out great!

He did have a bad drop yesterday from Hurts but he only had like 2-3 targets all game. Alshon is still getting snaps which any rational person 5 weeks ago would have told you is impossible but unfortunately we have irrational coaches here in Philly.

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I really don't think I've seen a receiver that passed the eye test so much get tossed aside like he has.  He'll be really good on his next team.  Really good.

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2 minutes ago, Judge Smails said:

I really don't think I've seen a receiver that passed the eye test so much get tossed aside like he has.  He'll be really good on his next team.  Really good.

I tend to agree. He looks like the reincarnation of Michael Thomas. Total mismanagement by Eagles coaches.

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21 hours ago, Insein said:

He did have a bad drop yesterday from Hurts but he only had like 2-3 targets all game. Alshon is still getting snaps which any rational person 5 weeks ago would have told you is impossible but unfortunately we have irrational coaches here in Philly.

Yeah I saw that. Not to make excuses because it was a bad drop but it's probably pretty tough to stay focused when you know 95% of the time the ball isn't coming your way. 2 targets each of the last 2 games is ridiculous.

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If Philly makes a coaching change AND Alshon walks away AND Ertz moves on, THEN I'll be targeting Fulgham in every draft next year. Dude passes the eye test majorly. He's got the JUICE. 

But Philly's coaching staff is incompetent. They benched one of the best WRs in the ENTIRE LEAGUE this year for the corpse of a washed-up diva. 

If they don't make a coaching change, Philly fans should just storm the castle with pitchforks. 

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Fulgham played on 25 snaps (40%) 2 targets

 

Jalen Reagor 44 snaps (71%) 1 target 1 reception 34 yards

Greg Ward 44 snaps (71%) 5 targets 3 receptions 57 yards TD

Alshon Jeffrey 35 snaps (56%) 1 target

Tim Hightower 18 snaps (29%) 2 targets

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18 hours ago, Demian said:

 

18 hours ago, Judge Smails said:

I really don't think I've seen a receiver that passed the eye test so much get tossed aside like he has.  He'll be really good on his next team.  Really good.

I tend to agree. He looks like the reincarnation of Michael Thomas. Total mismanagement by Eagles coaches.

 

Very good skillset IMO. Has a lot of tools for a guy without much experience. Great release, precise route runner.

Couple brutal drops over the last three games but I remember the first Alshon was back they yanked Fulgham on the third snap. Wentz overshot him on a deep pattern - probably because Jeffery couldn’t get separation from a MAC cornerback at this stage - and my buddy and I looked at each other thinking the same thing. “What are these Philly coaches thinking?”