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2 hours ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former intel officials say

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

For what it’s worth, they aren’t directly calling it “disinformation”.  The key paragraph:

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It is for all these reasons that we write to say that the arrival on the US political scene of emails purportedly belonging to Vice President Biden’s son Hunter, much of it related to his time serving on the Board of the Ukrainian gas company Burisma, has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.

These could be real emails obtained in a hack by Russians that made their way to Giuliani. I assume real emails can’t technically be “disinformation” unless that term is used more broadly than I am aware.

Of course, to verify the accuracy is very difficult. I suspect they are real because there doesn’t seem to be much to them legally. If Russians were going to fabricate stuff, wouldn’t they be more damning? Perhaps the only serious criminal activity by an American in all this was committed by Giuliani but time will hopefully tell.

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39 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said:

For what it’s worth, they aren’t directly calling it “disinformation”.  The key paragraph:

These could be real emails obtained in a hack by Russians that made their way to Giuliani. I assume real emails can’t technically be “disinformation” unless that term is used more broadly than I am aware.

Of course, to verify the accuracy is very difficult. I suspect they are real because there doesn’t seem to be much to them legally. If Russians were going to fabricate stuff, wouldn’t they be more damning? Perhaps the only serious criminal activity by an American in all this was committed by Giuliani but time will hopefully tell.

This is probably the first post in this thread that makes sense.  Thanks.

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51 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said:

For what it’s worth, they aren’t directly calling it “disinformation”.  The key paragraph:

These could be real emails obtained in a hack by Russians that made their way to Giuliani. I assume real emails can’t technically be “disinformation” unless that term is used more broadly than I am aware.

Of course, to verify the accuracy is very difficult. I suspect they are real because there doesn’t seem to be much to them legally. If Russians were going to fabricate stuff, wouldn’t they be more damning? Perhaps the only serious criminal activity by an American in all this was committed by Giuliani but time will hopefully tell.

This was my point to Max about Schiff comments - I think the emails are real but how they were obtained and the narrative around what they mean is being pushed by Russians.  

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14 hours ago, parrot said:

Yeah, I'm confused, are we supposed to be shocked that members of the Biden family might have profited from his campaign, or laugh at how bad they are at it compared to the Trumps?  I mean $150k?  Trump paid almost that much in hush money to a porn star.  

Yes that has been covered in the Trump thread.  This is the Biden thread.  We should expect better out of Biden..or should we?

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9 minutes ago, Summer Wheat said:

Yes that has been covered in the Trump thread.  This is the Biden thread.  We should expect better out of Biden..or should we?

We should expect better out of all of our politicians.  If somebody was not voting for Trump solely because of corruption and nepotism issues* then it may be fair to examine this and determine whether you feel this is the same.  So don’t vote for either - don’t use it as some lame excuse to vote for Trump.

 

*I’m guessing there’s not a lot of one issue voters who has this as their one issue

**And that is a general comment, not saying YOU but the collective you/us

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1 hour ago, GoBirds said:

This article from lead CNN reporter seems handy, even a year ago Hunter was on his radar although he hasn’t seemed to have been his focus recently with the laptop issues. 
 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/12/12/cnns_toobin_donald_trump_in_a_way_has_already_won_hunter_biden_a_real_challenge_for_us_as_journalists.html

That's the same guy that just got caught masturbating during a Zoom session...lol

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45 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

So it’s been 6 days and none of the facts of have been refuted?

Counter point.  Its been six days and we have been told there is child porn on the drive and Hunter is still walking free.  Hmmmmm.......  Also the FBI has had it almost a year and Hunter is still walking free.  Hmmmmmmm......

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I have been paying some attention to the laptop story. But what is the “gotcha” moment here? It seems like the GOP is pointing to a 2017 email discussing equity splits that may involve the older Biden. 

But there is nothing that shows such an agreement was ever pursued further or finalized. And all that would have been AFTER JB was out of office. There is no response from the Bidens to that email. Put another way, if someone sent an email thanking DJT and referenced a $10 million payout for getting selected for vaccine development, that email would be proof that it actually happened?

Assuming that this is all real (which it doesn’t even seem like anyone is trying to track down), what crime was committed? Unless I am missing something, there is one email that alluded to something that happened after Biden was in the private sector. Is that the big reveal? 

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1 hour ago, knowledge dropper said:

So it’s been 6 days and none of the facts of have been refuted?

It's been 6 days and none of the facts have been confirmed by any reputable independent source. None.

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14 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

But what is the “gotcha” moment here? 

It's funny that this is the question, right?  That's how much clarity this story has.  

Basically, some sort of influence peddling.  You have to 'connect the dots', alas.  

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2 hours ago, Summer Wheat said:

Yes that has been covered in the Trump thread.  This is the Biden thread.  We should expect better out of Biden..or should we?

This is the "shocking" Biden thread.  If you want me to find something shocking you need to find something that doesn't pale in comparison to the stuff I've watched on a daily basis for four years.  I mean I guess I am shocked that he paid his sister only $53k to manage his campaign.  I guess I'm also shocked that this is the best financial dirt they were able to uncover on Biden despite clearly trying very hard. They all seem like reasonable amounts for various levels of campaign work.  It makes me think he's much more squeaky clean than I ever imagined. I'm also also shocked that they even bothered to go to print with such a nothing burger, but even a nothing burger is still meat for the base I guess.  Nothing shocking there.  

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36 minutes ago, massraider said:

It's funny that this is the question, right?  That's how much clarity this story has.  

Basically, some sort of influence peddling.  You have to 'connect the dots', alas.  

I guess the claim is going to be that something might be fishy and there should be an investigation.  

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48 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

I have been paying some attention to the laptop story. But what is the “gotcha” moment here? It seems like the GOP is pointing to a 2017 email discussing equity splits that may involve the older Biden. 

But there is nothing that shows such an agreement was ever pursued further or finalized. And all that would have been AFTER JB was out of office. There is no response from the Bidens to that email. Put another way, if someone sent an email thanking DJT and referenced a $10 million payout for getting selected for vaccine development, that email would be proof that it actually happened?

Assuming that this is all real (which it doesn’t even seem like anyone is trying to track down), what crime was committed? Unless I am missing something, there is one email that alluded to something that happened after Biden was in the private sector. Is that the big reveal? 

There has never been a need for a crime. Just like Ukraine, there doesn’t need to be an investigation, just an announcement of one. All they want is something that looks bad so that they can get a ‘lock him up’ chant going, convince some not to vote or view it as another ‘lesser of two evils’ choice. It worked with Clinton, it isn’t going to work for Biden. People are voting in record numbers and all this is doing is firing up his base. No one is changing their vote at this point.

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7 hours ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former intel officials say

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

So let me get this straight. They provide no evidence. And this is the same crew that said the Fake Steele Dossier was real, and now the real Hunter Biden laptop is fake. Who falls for this stuff?

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8 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

They are e-mails.  Read them.  What’s there to confirm?

I asked rhetorically earlier this morning if the head of a pharma company sent DJT an email that thanked him for getting a company approved for COVID vaccine development and $10 million would be deposited for him soon, then what? Would that be considered fact? I mean, THERE'S AN EMAIL . . . what's to confirm?

In the current Hunter Biden email allegations, there is one email that discusses a proposed outcome for the framework of a deal . . . from 2017. There is nothing to show that resulted in a deal. There are no follow up emails from Hunter Biden. There is nothing to show that such a deal was even presented to Joe Biden, let alone accepted or implemented. There is nothing to show that Joe Biden was involved in any of that. AND he was no longer an elected official and at that point he was a civilian.

Since this is a fantasy website, let's say someone in a dynasty league last year offered me a trade involving Patrick Mahomes and Alvin Kamara for Sam Darnold and Mark Ingram and that team never answered me. That's the same as a completed trade, right? Now let's say 2 years earlier I was the league commissioner . . . and now you as another owner heard about the non-trade and are alleging I acted inappropriately and abused my power as commissioner to take advantage of another owner (even though I wasn't commissioner anymore).

Bottom line, where in this supposed treasure trove of emails, pictures, and videos is there direct evidence that Joe Biden while Vice President broke any laws?

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10 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

I asked rhetorically earlier this morning if the head of a pharma company sent DJT an email that thanked him for getting a company approved for COVID vaccine development and $10 million would be deposited for him soon, then what? Would that be considered fact? I mean, THERE'S AN EMAIL . . . what's to confirm?

In the current Hunter Biden email allegations, there is one email that discusses a proposed outcome for the framework of a deal . . . from 2017. There is nothing to show that resulted in a deal. There are no follow up emails from Hunter Biden. There is nothing to show that such a deal was even presented to Joe Biden, let alone accepted or implemented. There is nothing to show that Joe Biden was involved in any of that. AND he was no longer an elected official and at that point he was a civilian.

Since this is a fantasy website, let's say someone in a dynasty league last year offered me a trade involving Patrick Mahomes and Alvin Kamara for Sam Darnold and Mark Ingram and that team never answered me. That's the same as a completed trade, right? Now let's say 2 years earlier I was the league commissioner . . . and now you as another owner heard about the non-trade and are alleging I acted inappropriately and abused my power as commissioner to take advantage of another owner (even though I wasn't commissioner anymore).

Bottom line, where in this supposed treasure trove of emails, pictures, and videos is there direct evidence that Joe Biden while Vice President broke any laws?

Seems like a lot more evidence than I heard someone tell me about a phone call they heard.   

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1 hour ago, Anarchy99 said:

I have been paying some attention to the laptop story. But what is the “gotcha” moment here? It seems like the GOP is pointing to a 2017 email discussing equity splits that may involve the older Biden. 

But there is nothing that shows such an agreement was ever pursued further or finalized. And all that would have been AFTER JB was out of office. There is no response from the Bidens to that email. Put another way, if someone sent an email thanking DJT and referenced a $10 million payout for getting selected for vaccine development, that email would be proof that it actually happened?

Assuming that this is all real (which it doesn’t even seem like anyone is trying to track down), what crime was committed? Unless I am missing something, there is one email that alluded to something that happened after Biden was in the private sector. Is that the big reveal? 

There are 2 big reveals. One is the 2017 email where one person proposes giving Hunter $10x for "the big guy?"; the other is a 2015 email in which a Ukrainian proposes a meeting with Joe.

As far as I can tell, neither email refers to a potential crime.

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Just now, knowledge dropper said:

Seems like a lot more evidence than I heard someone tell me about a phone call they heard.   

Let's try this again. While serving as an elected official for the United States, Vice President Joe Biden broke the law by doing ____________________________ and should be charged with _______________________. Now fill in the blanks. And while you are at it, please show the evidence that supports that.

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Just now, [scooter] said:

There are 2 big reveals. One is the 2017 email where one person proposes giving Hunter $10x for "the big guy?"; the other is a 2015 email in which a Ukraining proposes a meeting with Joe.

As far as I can tell, neither email refers to a potential crime.

If we want to go down a rabbit hole of connecting dots, Donald Trump met with Jeffrey Epstein and there are pictures of them together. Is that proof that Trump is a pedophile? Of course not, but Trump isn't denying it, so it must be true.

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3 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Let's try this again. While serving as an elected official for the United States, Vice President Joe Biden broke the law by doing ____________________________ and should be charged with _______________________. Now fill in the blanks. And while you are at it, please show the evidence that supports that.

I think we need more information.  What influence was bring peddled.  There’s smoke here.  If he’s elected, I expect we will have months of investigations regarding Biden business deals with China and the Ukraine.  

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1 minute ago, knowledge dropper said:

I think we need more information.  What influence was bring peddled.  There’s smoke here.  If he’s elected, I expect we will have months of investigations regarding Biden business deals with China and the Ukraine.  

They already danced this dance before and found nothing on Biden.

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Hillary’s emails - This will get them this time!

IG report- This will get them this time!

Obamagate- This will get them this time!

Durham Report- This will get them this time!

Hunters emails- This will get them this time!


 

 

* sound familiar Trump supporters?  Almost like we’ve seen this line of thinking before.   

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3 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:
5 minutes ago, [scooter] said:

If you have to say "we need more information" before you can even identify a single crime that you think was committed, then you've failed the test of American jurisprudence.

There is enough there to look into Biden taking bribes, in my opinion 

You opposed the Russia investigation because you disbelieved Trump's own words on a transcript, but you favor an investigation into Joe Biden based solely on unanswered emails from 2 people not named Joe or Hunter Biden.

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17 minutes ago, dkp993 said:

Hillary’s emails - This will get them this time!

IG report- This will get them this time!

Obamagate- This will get them this time!

Durham Report- This will get them this time!

Hunters emails- This will get them this time!


 

 

* sound familiar Trump supporters?  Almost like we’ve seen this line of thinking before.   

It sounds familiar for sure, just from another POV 

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