Yeah I've got different opinions on that than most people. Disinformation I agree, but if it's truth - truth Trumps source every single time.
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The Biden Years - Every day something more shocking than the last!! (1 Viewer)
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Chaz McNulty
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Apparently the main stream media doesn't think so. Probably the reason for Rudy's bizarre lies about how he came across the information.
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Godsbrother
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He was the grandson of a 37 year Army Intelligence officer. He himself served 4 years in the Navy. He also is very vague in what exactly the Bidens did "behind his back".Direct ties to Joe Biden from a 37 year military officer caught up in this who will now be providing all records and documents.
https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-biz-partner-confirms-e-mail-details-joe-bidens-push-to-make-millions-from-china/
It is very odd that less than two weeks before the election he wants the Bidens to outline the facts so he doesn't to have to answer questions for them. If the guy has information of illegal activities on the Biden's part then it is his duty to turn it over to the authorities.
Chaz McNulty
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But it won't. It will be bought up by Trump, but not even discussed by Biden.This should be front and center in the debate tonight. Interested to hear Joes explanation.
Can't wait for the he had no idea about Hunter's business dealings and Hunter is a good boy.
moleculo
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no offense, but this article drips with partisan hackery. Makes it hard to take serious.Direct ties to Joe Biden from a 37 year military officer caught up in this who will now be providing all records and documents.
https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-biz-partner-confirms-e-mail-details-joe-bidens-push-to-make-millions-from-china/
Godsbrother
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And this is Trump's goal. He wants the debate to be about Hunter Biden which is of little importance to most Americans who are more concerned with the pandemic, unemployment, health care, the growing trade deficit with China, civil unrest, etc.This should be front and center in the debate tonight. Interested to hear Joes explanation.
Anarchy99
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People can post this over and over again. So Joe Biden is the "Big Guy" referenced in the email. Big whoop. In 2017, he was a civilian. So far there is one email about a proposed deal with no follow up and no indication it went further than that. There is nothing that shows Joe Biden received anything from this proposed arrangement, which so far does not look like it ever happened and IIRC the company they are talking about went bankrupt. But the spin is Biden COULD have made millions . . . as a businessman AFTER he was no longer in office. Yet that is indicative of corruption . . . when Trump makes millions of dollars with a slew of international business holdings and transactions while owing hundreds of millions of dollars to foreign banks.tonydead said:
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Anarchy99
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Again . . . he was already out of office. You think politicians suddenly delete all their contacts when they leave office?
I notice you have completely ignored multiple posts about what Trump is doing AS A SITTING PRESIDENT to make tens of millions of dollars.
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moleculo
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Personally, I think it's 100% believable and likely that Hunter was running around trying to drum up business by teasing his fathers influence. Swampy for sure. I assume that most career politicians have some dark sheep in their family trying to do this. It's ugly and if we have evidence of it, it needs to be shut down asap. This is where governmental ethics and watchdogs need to be involved - apparently they warned Joe about Hunters involvement in Ukraine and were ignored (not going to mention the 10,000 ft elephant in the room). It's a problem.
Still, that doesn't tie anything to Joe. I'm going to need more than innuendos and allegations. I want Joe to be held to the same standards Republicans held Trump to WRT Russia and Ukraine. Second hand information, overheard conversations, hearsay - all of that wasn't enough to remove the president then, it shouldn't be enough to preclude Biden now. Further, in this pay-for-play theory, lets see if money found it's way into Joe's account.
Still, that doesn't tie anything to Joe. I'm going to need more than innuendos and allegations. I want Joe to be held to the same standards Republicans held Trump to WRT Russia and Ukraine. Second hand information, overheard conversations, hearsay - all of that wasn't enough to remove the president then, it shouldn't be enough to preclude Biden now. Further, in this pay-for-play theory, lets see if money found it's way into Joe's account.
pantherclub
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knowledge dropper
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Widbil83
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Kristen Welker was also probably told by the Biden campaign and the MSM if you go there your career is over. That was probably a condition of Biden showing up tonight.
So the accusations are about business dealings after he was out of office? And that he may have used business contacts from his time in politics. Are there even accusations that he did anything while in office or just speculation that he must have? Is that what we’ve gotten to, speculation that Biden may have possibly done something that Trump is currently blatantly doing out in the open? And that’s the reason we should vote for Trump over him?
Anarchy99
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I saw an article last night citing "someone in the Biden camp" on how Biden was prepping for the debate. It was suggested Biden would point to the never ending investigation of his alleged involvement in Ukraine and emphasize that the GOP has come back concluding he had not done anything illegal. This would be another smear campaign that appeared again right before the election with potential outside interference to sway the election. It was also meant to deflect from DJT's failure to adequately take on COVID and to deflect from Trump's own shady business deals. Biden acted on official capacity of the US government, acted according to US foreign policy, and did nothing illegal.
The article went on to suggest that if Trump kept attacking Hunter that Joe was getting coached to go after Trump's kids on both a professional and personal level (but they weren't sure if Joe really wanted to go there). As far as the emails went, apparently the plan is to not comment on anything in detail (ie smear campaign and propaganda) and to stick to the topics outlined for the debate.
Unfortunately, I can't find the article again.
squistion
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That seems to be the gist of it, and it doesn't make sense to me either, if the goal is trying to win the undecideds or get those leaning Biden to change their vote.
Anarchy99
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It would not surprise me if Trump bashed Biden for trying to make corrupt deals but he is such a failure that he couldn't even pull that off. But according to the GOP, there is clear evidence he tried to make millions off of his name, he lied about his involvement in Hunter's businesses, and millions of dollars changed hands (citing the $3.5 million that they are saying was given to Hunter from the wife of the Moscow mayor).
Even Trump's own advisors are telling him to stick to his record, his accomplishments, and his economy pre-COVID and to minimize his attacks on Hunter Biden. Like last time, Biden can flip things to make Hunter out to be a tragic story and the president will look like he is attacking someone with an addiction problem. Essentially, Trump could lose more voters than he would gain by beating up Biden over his son, the emails, and the illicit photographs.
One chocolate and one vanilla!
100% brought up by Trump though, regardless the questions asked. He ought to lead with it with the very first thing he says. Ask the moderators if that is a question that is on their list and if not he'd like to ask it right now.
skol asylum
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And Trump has caused more in those 4 years than Biden could cause in 4 millennia.knowledge dropper said:
Cowboysfan8
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Wow. You can’t see that both sides totally suck?Chaz McNulty said:
Seriously.....you can’t see that?
Well said. There's no proof. Besides, Biden can pardon Hunter after he's in office anyway. Isn't that what presidents do these days? Have their friends and family members take advantage of their family name to fill their wallets? Then pardon them when they're caught doing his bidding? Oh wait... Only one president does this. If this is all the Republicans have to hang their hat on it's gonna be a bright blue sky next month.
Are you new to politics? No reasonable person believes their side is ‘good’. There’s just significant differences in the degrees of ‘bad’ right now. Back to the example that was given - there’s a reason why there’s a difference in punishment between shoplifting and armed robbery for obvious reason. Does that make shoplifting ok? Of course not, but it’s not the same as armed robbery.
If these accusations make you uncomfortable to vote for Biden that’s ok. But if the response is to instead vote for Trump, that’s just completely flawed logic.
When quoting stuff, it's helpful to cite (and link to) what you're quoting.
So you've already seen the proof that these were actually Hunter's emails? Wow. No one else in the world has seen the proof. You should let the world know.
Joe Summer
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I don't think the Trump supporters realize how much it would backfire if Trump tried to bring up Hunter's emails during the debate.
Joe could just say "We're in the middle of a pandemic and the President is too busy obsessing over my son's emails."
The public doesn't care about emails.
Joe could just say "We're in the middle of a pandemic and the President is too busy obsessing over my son's emails."
The public doesn't care about emails.
Anarchy99
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This type of information will get Trump exactly zero votes, and in fact could actually cost him some. The average American could care less about someone's dirty laundry stemming from a divorce, especially when it's not even the person running for office. At some point, people will get tired of all these daily leaks and identify that it is a planned campaign by the GOP to influence the election. If they really wanted a chance for a full-fledged investigation, they would have done so a year+ ago and released everything they had at the time. Instead they waited 12-18 months to just before the election when there isn't any time to try to look into it. And they wonder why many people are looking at the Hunter laptop situation as a Hail Mary and last ditch effort to turn things around and hoping that something will stick.
AAABatteries
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Ramblin Wreck
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Where are all the party over country folks when it comes to Biden?
AAABatteries
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I’m hoping his team preps him for this response although I would tweak it a little. “Trump has spent more time obsessing over Hunters emails than he has actually addressing the current pandemic where 225k of our fellow citizens have died. He cares more about getting re-elected than he does your lives.”
Joe Summer
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Ramblin Wreck
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[comes up with zinger, gets it backwards]
NAILED IT!
Not a zinger. Didn't get it backwards. Congrats on finally learning how to use the quote function
Cowboysfan8
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No
And I can tell you from reading this subforum that what you’ve typed is totally incorrect
Shutout
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Agree. Like Ghandi said "even if you are in a minority of one, the truth is still the truth."tonydead said:
I think in a more normal environment everyone could probably say there are truths out there that are important to investigate but it is hard to do right now. Journalism is, as we once knew it, dead and there are a lot of things out there that some people want to be ignored.
Shutout
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That is certainly true because that is the plan. Say as little as possible about anything.Chaz McNulty said:
Which, if we can be objective and not just blindly defend "our side", doesn't that seem a little peculiar?
I mean, isn't it normal that when someone accuses us of something and we are guilty, we kind of lash out, call it stupid...grumble a bit...or go quiet?
But when someone accuses us of something and we KNOW we are innocent, don't we get this bullet proof mentality of "i'll go out of my way to denounce this?"
It reminds me of kids: Jane, did you push Bobby down?
guilty Jane-"no..(softly). Or NO! (start yelling and try to deflect).
Innocent Jane-I absolutely did not and I am not going to let Bobby get away with that. I (explains it rationally).
For whatever reason, we humans seem to be hardwired that we speak more about things in a more convincing tone when we are right and believe in what we are saying and we seem to clam up when we don't.
Just one guy's opinion but I would think that if they were absolutely without guilt, they and their campaign would have made a strong point to get that out there but for some reason they haven't.
It will be interesting to see where this goes.
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