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Like I said, I’ve never been, but if it’s like much of the rest of the upper Midwest (read, terrible weather and geography) I’d be hard pressed to find an excuse to visit. You like it better than NC?I like Wisconsin.
Like I said, I’ve never been, but if it’s like much of the rest of the upper Midwest (read, terrible weather and geography) I’d be hard pressed to find an excuse to visit. You like it better than NC?I like Wisconsin.
I have lived in Minnesota and spent a lot of time in western Wisconsin. I like NC too, but would have no issues with moving back to the upper Midwest.Like I said, I’ve never been, but if it’s like much of the rest of the upper Midwest (read, terrible weather and geography) I’d be hard pressed to find an excuse to visit. You like it better than NC?
I think all will be explained in his 3rd term.They do not have a replacement plan.
Clearly you didn't read my first post.if you still think its even remotely ok for a President to act the way Trump does (which clearly you do
I have no idea. I rarely come in this forum and think I’ll be leaving now. Thought this could be an interesting thread.I am guessing nobody is getting bullied on this board either.
Can you elaborate why you think this is a good thing? Do you believe our military is underfunded?Off the top of my head....
Tax cuts for businesses and lower bracket income earners
Bombing the crap out of Isis, weakening them bigly
Upping Military spending
Taking care of our Veterans
Just to name a few. I'm not happy there is no ACA replacement plan tho. While I'm glad they're dismantling it, i would really like to hear the replacement and hopefully it has an emphasis on the first A - Affordable which Obamacare never was.
Not sure we need to spend much on military at all. The blueprint to conquer America is being played out right now. Divide us, introduce a virus and will will kill ourselves.Can you elaborate why you think this is a good thing? Do you believe our military is underfunded?
Fair enough. I’ve lived in NC and MI, and definitely preferred the former. But I’ll take the friendly, no-nonsense demeanor of the stereotypical Midwesterner over so-called Southern hospitality any day.I have lived in Minnesota and spent a lot of time in western Wisconsin. I like NC too, but would have no issues with moving back to the upper Midwest.
YesFair enough. I’ve lived in NC and MI, and definitely preferred the former. But I’ll take the friendly, no-nonsense demeanor of the stereotypical Midwesterner over so-called Southern hospitality any day.
It’s always impressive how people want to blame anonymous people on the Internet for why they’ll have to vote for an incompetent pathological liar.Again, no insult there at all. Keep making stuff up.
“Safer”. Lol. You ok there, GB?You’re suddenly safer from being bullied on this board for being a Trump supporter than you are for being an undecided voter.
It’s a retweet, not sure why that would explain his sharing a conspiracy theory tweet, but that’s his reasoning...the normalization of his lunacy is just astounding
Only in a swing state, otherwise no it’s not.I don't understand this.
I vote for anyone other than Biden is a vote for Trump.
I did not see this tweet. I admit I don't follow politics every single day of my life so i miss things and I don't read about this stuff every day either.I believe you will vote for Trump. If after seeing President Trump retweeted a ridiculous conspiracy theory suggesting VP Biden attempted to have Seal Team Six killed so they wouldn’t let us know that Osama Bin Ladin wasn’t killed and is still alive, you still can’t decide on your own he doesn’t belong in the Oval Office I can’t see how anyone here can help you decide.
I literally laughed out loud when he said that. That one statement shows what a complete dope he is - anybody who buys that excuse is just not a very intelligent person.It’s a retweet, not sure why that would explain his sharing a conspiracy theory tweet, but that’s his reasoning...
Help me out here. The origination of this post was Ghost saying there is no way he was voting for Trump and was considering voting 3rd party, so how are you making this leap?It’s always impressive how people want to blame anonymous people on the Internet for why they’ll have to vote for an incompetent pathological liar.
I want a President to get #### done. Would I like a Presidential President? Absolutely, but if it's a choice between one who get stuff done and one who doesn't and act's like a petulant child I'm probably opting for the one that gets stuff done. I think that's where I was at coming into this election year. However the way he's acting is out of control and I don't know if I want that anymore. I don't know how much Biden can get done if the Repubs retain Congress.And yet the "undecided" seem to be ok with it. If they were not, they wouldn't be undecided.
I would argue that you shouldn’t vote for someone who enriches himself at the expense of a children’s cancer charity. He doesn’t deserve your vote.I want a President to get #### done. Would I like a Presidential President? Absolutely, but if it's a choice between one who get stuff done and one who doesn't and act's like a petulant child I'm probably opting for the one that gets stuff done. I think that's where I was at coming into this election year. However the way he's acting is out of control and I don't know if I want that anymore. I don't know how much Biden can get done if the Repubs retain Congress.
I'm just unsure
Yes you do. Look at the last 2 years of Obama’s term (6 years really if you count the split Congress and stagnation that causes now an days).. I don't know how much Biden can get done if the Repubs retain Congress.
Petulant children rarely get things done.I want a President to get #### done. Would I like a Presidential President? Absolutely, but if it's a choice between one who get stuff done and one who doesn't and act's like a petulant child I'm probably opting for the one that gets stuff done. I think that's where I was at coming into this election year. However the way he's acting is out of control and I don't know if I want that anymore. I don't know how much Biden can get done if the Repubs retain Congress.
I'm just unsure
“Keep insulting them. It’s gonna get Trump out of office.”Help me out here. The origination of this post was Ghost saying there is no way he was voting for Trump and was considering voting 3rd party, so how are you making this leap?
2 states.....Michigan and Virginia....but whos counting.On the flip side, have you heard of a extreme left group plotting to kidnap the governor of one of our states?
And that is why I think this is a great thread. I fall into the same camp. I voted for Trump in 2016, but his performance (or lack thereof) during this pandemic has completely soured me on him. I believe his empowerment of anti-maskers has contributed to the needless deaths of thousands of Americans and the prolonging of this terrible virus--bottom line. In the same token, i won't vote for President Biden/Harris, so my wife and I are leaning third party in this election for the first time ever.I want a President to get #### done. Would I like a Presidential President? Absolutely, but if it's a choice between one who get stuff done and one who doesn't and act's like a petulant child I'm probably opting for the one that gets stuff done. I think that's where I was at coming into this election year. However the way he's acting is out of control and I don't know if I want that anymore. I don't know how much Biden can get done if the Repubs retain Congress.
I'm just unsure
I’m amazed every cycle at us having so many people that don’t vote. I don’t get it.And that is why I think this is a great thread. I fall into the same camp. I voted for Trump in 2016, but his performance (or lack thereof) during this pandemic has completely soured me on him. I believe his empowerment of anti-maskers have contributed to the needless deaths of thousands of Americans and the prolonging of this terrible virus--bottom line. In the same token, i won't vote for President Biden/Harris, so my wife and I are leaning third party in this election for the first time ever.
I am frankly more interested and involved in the state/local ballot issues such as Prop 113--the Popular Vote mandate. We have a hotly contested taxation of vaping products. Colorado has the close Senate battle between Gardner and Hickenlooper. Then we have the US Representative battle between an Independent Mitsch-Bush (who I think is insane) vs a very Right leaning candidate Boebert (who I think is insanely hot).
The most important thing is for people to vote. There is something for everyone in this election cycle.
Ok @Mr.Pack take note of this post. Say you’re going to downtown Madison tonight, who is most likely to screw up your entire evening?
A. White supremacy
B. Qanon
C. BLM/Antifa
it wont matter, Packie. the govt which made this President possible aint fixing itself on the people's behalf no matter who's running it. approximately the same number & kind of people will suffer or thrive. we've been played for suckers, all "consensus"es have been engineered and the stasis which allows the foxes to not only pillage but operate the henhouse is in place. i couldnt vote for Biden because he doesnt even represent his party (i was the FIRST Buttigieg guy on this board but, remember next time, he got bought off to block the leftists), only the power structure behind it. but i aint voting for the guy who embarrasses not only our nation but the human race every day. i voted Bull Moose because i vote, it was on the ballot and Teddy Roosevelt is the kinda guy we could use today. that vote matters no less than yours or the fantasy politickers who populate this forum. the game has already been decided and that will remain so til it crashes, dont kid yourself.I want a President to get #### done. Would I like a Presidential President? Absolutely, but if it's a choice between one who get stuff done and one who doesn't and act's like a petulant child I'm probably opting for the one that gets stuff done. I think that's where I was at coming into this election year. However the way he's acting is out of control and I don't know if I want that anymore. I don't know how much Biden can get done if the Repubs retain Congress.
I'm just unsure
You used to go to downtown Madison a lot?
I completely avoid downtown anymore.
If Biden wins there is also a good chance the dems take Congress. They seem to be at similar spots in the odds.I want a President to get #### done. Would I like a Presidential President? Absolutely, but if it's a choice between one who get stuff done and one who doesn't and act's like a petulant child I'm probably opting for the one that gets stuff done. I think that's where I was at coming into this election year. However the way he's acting is out of control and I don't know if I want that anymore. I don't know how much Biden can get done if the Repubs retain Congress.
I'm just unsure
Thats understandable. I have xm radio in my vehicles and equipment so I spend alot of time listening to politics( probably too much) I know there are many whose lives are so busy that don't allow them to listen to the news. I am glad you have an open mind. He was challenged on this topic at his town hall meeting this week.I did not see this tweet. I admit I don't follow politics every single day of my life so i miss things and I don't read about this stuff every day either.
That's a bit unfair. He could still end up voting for Jorgensen or another candidate.I believe you will vote for Trump. If after seeing President Trump retweeted a ridiculous conspiracy theory suggesting VP Biden attempted to have Seal Team Six killed so they wouldn’t let us know that Osama Bin Ladin wasn’t killed and is still alive, you still can’t decide on your own he doesn’t belong in the Oval Office I can’t see how anyone here can help you decide.
Seattle, they're ruining a lot of cities.You used to go to downtown Madison a lot?
For these two concerns, I don't think you could have gotten a better candidate from among the crowd of the initial Democratic group. As a liberal myself, one the larger drawbacks to Biden for me was his unwillingness to commit to less military spending. I also think he'll continue to persecute eliminating ISIS, I think he'd actually be better at it than Trump (for example Trump's handling of the Kurdish situation a few years ago actually strengthened ISIS - that's not a foreign policy mistake Biden would make).Off the top of my head....
Tax cuts for businesses and lower bracket income earners
Bombing the crap out of Isis, weakening them bigly
Upping Military spending
Taking care of our Veterans
Just to name a few. I'm not happy there is no ACA replacement plan tho. While I'm glad they're dismantling it, i would really like to hear the replacement and hopefully it has an emphasis on the first A - Affordable which Obamacare never was.
Not Madison, so I wasn't sure what Seattle had to with WI.Seattle, they're ruining a lot of cities.
Really? You dont understand that the point of WilBil's question describes many US cities right now. Wow.Not Madison, so I wasn't sure what Seattle had to with WI.
On one hand, I don't disagree. But on the other, this binary mindset is a major reason we are where are and it must die if we are to change.gianmarco said:You are definitely not voting Trump. You are obviously against him.
You aren't sure about Biden.
The way Trump wins is if Biden doesn't get enough votes. That's what happens when you vote anyone else. Might as well not show up.
This isn't the year to place a symbolic vote, especially if you live in a state that matters. Trump needs to be overwhelmingly defeated if you are against him.
Agree to disagree.gianmarco said:I've never once advocated not voting for a 3rd party candidate. This is the first year. Only because I've never felt someone was a danger as President like the situation we are in now.
So, no, for me, it's not every election.
I would love to get rid of the two party system. I agree with a lot of what you wrote.
But not this year. Not this election.
What undecideds are getting bullied?Widbil83 said:You’re suddenly safer from being bullied on this board for being a Trump supporter than you are for being an undecided voter.
My guess A - the group the FBI has identified as a domestic terrorist groupWidbil83 said:Ok @Mr.Pack take note of this post. Say you’re going to downtown Madison tonight, who is most likely to screw up your entire evening?
A. White supremacy
B. Qanon
C. BLM/Antifa
Oh, I understood his point, especially the lumping blm and antifa on the same line. I wouldn't agree with the "many" cities, and it doesn't apply to Madison if Mr. Pack went there tonight. But keep trying to paint the image that there are a lot of Portlands around the country.tonydead said:Really? You dont understand that the point of WilBil's question describes many US cities right now. Wow.
Which gives you 4 more years of Trump.On one hand, I don't disagree. But on the other, this binary mindset is a major reason we are where are and it must die if we are to change.
Totally agree. I'm voting Biden but am not trying to convince friends and family who would normally vote Republican to vote for a Democrat. I'm trying to convince them to vote third party for President or just leave that one blank.I like when someone says me leaving the top of the ticket blank is a vote for Trump.
Gun to my head and I have to vote for one? I'm voting Trump.
Still want me to make a choice?
Not sure why I’d put a gun to your head, you seem like a nice guy (person, you may be female for all I know). You threatening my family or something? And if so who you’re voting for is the least of my concerns at that point.I like when someone says me leaving the top of the ticket blank is a vote for Trump.
Gun to my head and I have to vote for one? I'm voting Trump.
Still want me to make a choice?
Until this election I had little interest in politics, and didn’t want to invest the time to make an informed decision. My basic assumptions were neither party fully represented my views and behind-the-scenes money was far too influential. Fundamentally, I just couldn’t bring myself to vote for “the lesser of two evils.”AAABatteries said:I’m amazed every cycle at us having so many people that don’t vote. I don’t get it.
Usually quite a bit. This year? None. The republican party needs reformed and the only way that may happen is if they get blown out.Until this election I had little interest in politics, and didn’t want to invest the time to make an informed decision. My basic assumptions were neither party fully represented my views and behind-the-scenes money was far too influential. Fundamentally, I just couldn’t bring myself to vote for “the lesser of two evils.”
I also thought there were enough checks and balances to prevent someone truly horrendous from being elected and harming the country.
I was wrong. My POTUS selection is a no-brainer, but I’m still struggling with other positions. My wife, a registered Republican who previously voted the party line without much thought, is also having a tough time educating herself about all the candidates (at my behest.)
How much time do you guys devote to learning the platforms of all candidates on the ballot?
If only I was back home in west Michigan; two Trump rallies in Muskegon the last week. Only 20 miles from my hometown. Trump hasn’t held a rally that close to his hometown in 5 years. I’d go, who doesn’t love a good spectacle.Mr.Pack said:Thanks for stopping by. There's got to be a Biden rally somewhere out there for youI have missed Friday threads. Good effort.
Beautiful states, as is Michigan. Great boating, fishing, golf, hunting, skiing, snowmobiling. Amazing natural beauty and the best people in the world.Drunken Cowboy said:I have lived in Minnesota and spent a lot of time in western Wisconsin. I like NC too, but would have no issues with moving back to the upper Midwest.Terminalxylem said:Like I said, I’ve never been, but if it’s like much of the rest of the upper Midwest (read, terrible weather and geography) I’d be hard pressed to find an excuse to visit. You like it better than NC?