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The Great 2020 All Time Television Draft: The Simpsons is judged the greatest show of all time (1 Viewer)
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krista4
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1971-1990 Drama Rankings (cont.)
The Tippy-Top Tier
4 - St. Elsewhere (13 pts)
Called "Hill Street Blues in a hospital," which is as good a compliment as can be given.
62 Emmy nominations, with 13 wins
(Individual rankings - 15/14/12/11)
3 - Columbo (14 pts)
"just one more thing..."
?? Emmy nominations*, with 13 wins
(Individual rankings - 14/14/13/13)
*mphtrilogy fell down on the job and didn't give me this
2 - The Rockford Files (15 pts)
Jim Rockford has to be one of the coolest TV characters ever conceived. Plus, that theme song!
17 Emmy nominations, with 5 wins
(Individual rankings - 15/15/15/14)
1 - Hill Street Blues (16 pts)
Slam-dunk #1. I knew it had been well-loved and well-respected, but those Emmy counts are astounding.
98 Emmy nominations, with 24 wins
(Individual rankings - 16/16/16/16)
The Tippy-Top Tier
4 - St. Elsewhere (13 pts)
Called "Hill Street Blues in a hospital," which is as good a compliment as can be given.
62 Emmy nominations, with 13 wins
(Individual rankings - 15/14/12/11)
3 - Columbo (14 pts)
"just one more thing..."
?? Emmy nominations*, with 13 wins
(Individual rankings - 14/14/13/13)
*mphtrilogy fell down on the job and didn't give me this
2 - The Rockford Files (15 pts)
Jim Rockford has to be one of the coolest TV characters ever conceived. Plus, that theme song!
17 Emmy nominations, with 5 wins
(Individual rankings - 15/15/15/14)
1 - Hill Street Blues (16 pts)
Slam-dunk #1. I knew it had been well-loved and well-respected, but those Emmy counts are astounding.
98 Emmy nominations, with 24 wins
(Individual rankings - 16/16/16/16)
krista4
Footballguy
1971-1990 Drama Rankings - Final List
Hill Street Blues – 16 pts
The Rockford Files – 15 pts
Columbo – 14 pts
St. Elsewhere – 13 pts
L.A. Law – 12 pts
Lou Grant – 11 pts
Cagney & Lacey – 10 pts
Murder She Wrote – 9 pts
Dallas – 8 pts
The Streets of San Francisco – 7 pts
Magnum, P.I. – 6 pts
The Waltons – 5 pts
Moonlighting – 4 pts
Dynasty – 3 pts
Trapper John, M.D. – 2 pts
Knight Rider – 1 pt
Hill Street Blues – 16 pts
The Rockford Files – 15 pts
Columbo – 14 pts
St. Elsewhere – 13 pts
L.A. Law – 12 pts
Lou Grant – 11 pts
Cagney & Lacey – 10 pts
Murder She Wrote – 9 pts
Dallas – 8 pts
The Streets of San Francisco – 7 pts
Magnum, P.I. – 6 pts
The Waltons – 5 pts
Moonlighting – 4 pts
Dynasty – 3 pts
Trapper John, M.D. – 2 pts
Knight Rider – 1 pt
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
and Robin above Kato absolutely MUST have something to do with the appeal of crotchal smoothness
AcerFC
Footballguy
1 --Yo Mama--164
2 --AcerFC--138
3 --Tolstoy--136
4 --Hov34--136
5 --tuffnutt--128
6 --timschochet--126
7 --jwb--123
8 --mphtrilogy--119
9 --KarmaPolice--118
10 -Gally Steiner--118
11 -Zow--113
12 -Mrs. Rannous--106
13 -Pitchfork--102
14 -Doug B--99
15 -rick6668--95
16 -TripleLayne--84
2 --AcerFC--138
3 --Tolstoy--136
4 --Hov34--136
5 --tuffnutt--128
6 --timschochet--126
7 --jwb--123
8 --mphtrilogy--119
9 --KarmaPolice--118
10 -Gally Steiner--118
11 -Zow--113
12 -Mrs. Rannous--106
13 -Pitchfork--102
14 -Doug B--99
15 -rick6668--95
16 -TripleLayne--84
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
not kissing butt here - this group should judge more stuff. not perfect, but not as incredibly wrong as most of em have been
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
It's almost impossible to overstate how good AND important this show was to TV history. Pretty much every prestige drama of this century comes straight out of Hill Street. It was smart, profane, funny, violent, serialized (lightly, but still...), and adult. There had never been another show like it on television. It may look a little slow today, but that's because everyone that's come down the pike since has used it as a launching pad.
I watched the "Who Shot JR" Dallas episode in real time. That cliffhanger had nothing on HSB's a) final scene of the Series Premiere and b) final scene of Season 1.
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Mr. Mojo
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James T was primarily a skirt chaser. Nothing heroic about that.
And you sure whine a lot, even after earning 16 points.
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Doug B
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Mr. Mojo
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Dr. Doofenshmirtz
Footballguy
Ill try my hand at childrens show if that is OK with the panel. Just confirm so I dont start to do work and then have it be for not
Yo Mama
Footballguy
No problems as far as I’m concerned, although I forget if someone already claimed it. I’m sure you’ll have no conflicts of interest in your judging, Dr. Doofenshmirtz.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I could take News Personality if still open. It appears as such on the Google sheet.
tuffnutt
Footballguy
I could help you mojo..I think I’ve seen at least a few episodes of all the westerns. if you could help me with reality shows we could knock both these out. PM me if interested.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Yo Mama
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Val Rannous
Footballguy
I can judge or assist if you're still looking for people (although my best categories are already being worked)..
Mr. Mojo
Footballguy
I would love to help you but I looked at the Reality Show list and I know less than 1/2 of them, so I would be lousy at that category.
How about if you PM me your ratings for the westerns and I can incorporate them into my ratings?
tuffnutt
Footballguy
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krista4
Footballguy
Holy crap, I thought our four-person all-star judging team was pretty aligned on Leading Man - '71-'90, but I was wrong. We are all over the map. And we have four ties. Could I enlist anyone to help break these ties? I will give @Gally first shot if he wants it since I snubbed him in the drama tiebreaker; however, I'll still need another person to help since one of the four ties involves his pick.
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krista4
Footballguy
In the meantime, I can start the rankings as there was a clear bottom tier. After these three, the point totals jump up quite a bit and we also hit our first tie.
1971-1990 Leading Man Drama Rankings
Combined rankings with @mphtrilogy, @Uruk-Hai, and @Yo Mama. Searching for help with some tie-breakers.
The Bottom Tier
Somebody had to be at the bottom and it was thesetwo three. It was really even that close either. (Yes, I'm using exactly the same language as Yo Mama/I did earlier.)
16 - Dr. Marcus Welby (1 pt)
Drafted last, so the drafter shouldn't be too disappointed, but I'm surprised he didn't dig out of the basement as he was a household name for years, as one judge pointed out.
(Individual rankings - 5/3/2/1)
15 - Blake Carrington (2 pts)
One judge pointed out he was better as the voice of Charlie in Charlie's Angels. When you're preferred as a disembodied voice than as your character, you might not rank well.
(Individual rankings - 6/4/1/1)
14 - Barnaby Jones (3 pts)
Good character, good show, just got lost in the shuffle over the years.
(Individual rankings - 6/5/3/3)
1971-1990 Leading Man Drama Rankings
Combined rankings with @mphtrilogy, @Uruk-Hai, and @Yo Mama. Searching for help with some tie-breakers.
The Bottom Tier
Somebody had to be at the bottom and it was these
16 - Dr. Marcus Welby (1 pt)
Drafted last, so the drafter shouldn't be too disappointed, but I'm surprised he didn't dig out of the basement as he was a household name for years, as one judge pointed out.
(Individual rankings - 5/3/2/1)
15 - Blake Carrington (2 pts)
One judge pointed out he was better as the voice of Charlie in Charlie's Angels. When you're preferred as a disembodied voice than as your character, you might not rank well.
(Individual rankings - 6/4/1/1)
14 - Barnaby Jones (3 pts)
Good character, good show, just got lost in the shuffle over the years.
(Individual rankings - 6/5/3/3)
krista4
Footballguy
Zegras11
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Don Quixote
Footballguy
I’d offer myself, but I’d have to Google what show about 12 of the 16 people were in.OK, Gally has had half an hour, which is enough.Anyone else?
krista4
Footballguy
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Yo Mama
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Doug B
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
I considered a few names when it came time to pick 71-90 Leading Man Drama. Others that I considered were Doogie Howser and Coach Ken Reeves (The White Shadow).
And one other name from the daytime soaps: Does anyone in this thread know the character Victor Newman without looking it up? (Hint) Giant icon in the soaps, but wasn't sure how that would fly here. Still ... Dark Shadows was a daytime soap that got some love, so
And one other name from the daytime soaps: Does anyone in this thread know the character Victor Newman without looking it up? (Hint) Giant icon in the soaps, but wasn't sure how that would fly here. Still ... Dark Shadows was a daytime soap that got some love, so
Don Quixote
Footballguy
To be perfectly honest, I just googled what show Dr. Marcus Welby was in, and found out he was in an eponymous show.
Doug B
Footballguy
He's not really known anymore?To be perfectly honest, I just googled what show Dr. Marcus Welby was in, and found out he was in an eponymous show.
krista4
Footballguy
With thanks to @Getzlaf15 for tie-breaking, we move on! By the way, Gally's guy wasn't in a tie-breaker after all - misread my notes.
1971-1990 Leading Man Drama Rankings (cont.)
The Beginning of the Squished-Up Rankings and Tie-Breakers, and the Point Where the Judges Start to Eye Each Other Suspiciously
13 - Lt. Mike Stone (4 pts)
Terrific character and well-acted. Just up against stiff competition, I suppose.
(Individual rankings - 11/8/4/4)
12 - Dr. Donald Westphall (5 pts) - *lost in a tiebreaker
Wins the award for largest disparity between his highest and lowest scores. Might suffer from not being the primary character in a strong ensemble cast, though arguably the heart of the show.
(Individual rankings - 15/6/5/3)
11 - Arnie Becker (6 pts) - *won in a tiebreaker
Like Dr. Westphall, I suspect the middle-of-the-pack rankings came from his being a piece of a superb ensemble but not someone who carried a show. Deliciously developed character, though.
(Individual rankings - 12/8/7/2)
1971-1990 Leading Man Drama Rankings (cont.)
The Beginning of the Squished-Up Rankings and Tie-Breakers, and the Point Where the Judges Start to Eye Each Other Suspiciously
13 - Lt. Mike Stone (4 pts)
Terrific character and well-acted. Just up against stiff competition, I suppose.
(Individual rankings - 11/8/4/4)
12 - Dr. Donald Westphall (5 pts) - *lost in a tiebreaker
Wins the award for largest disparity between his highest and lowest scores. Might suffer from not being the primary character in a strong ensemble cast, though arguably the heart of the show.
(Individual rankings - 15/6/5/3)
11 - Arnie Becker (6 pts) - *won in a tiebreaker
Like Dr. Westphall, I suspect the middle-of-the-pack rankings came from his being a piece of a superb ensemble but not someone who carried a show. Deliciously developed character, though.
(Individual rankings - 12/8/7/2)
krista4
Footballguy
Doogie Howser was more in the 90s than pre-1990, so he probably would have suffered there. Also, I never watched the show, but was it a drama or a comedy? Maybe I just thought a kid doctor would naturally be a comedy but it really wasn't.I considered a few names when it came time to pick 71-90 Leading Man Drama. Others that I considered were Doogie Howser and Coach Ken Reeves (The White Shadow).
And one other name from the daytime soaps: Does anyone in this thread know the character Victor Newman without looking it up? (Hint) Giant icon in the soaps, but wasn't sure how that would fly here. Still ... Dark Shadows was a daytime soap that got some love, so
Ken Reeves would have ranked around the 4-5 point range for me, I think. I don't know Dark Shadows so would have had to research that one.
Doug B
Footballguy
The show debuted Sept 1989, so it had a season and a half in the 1971-90 time period, plus another two and a half in the 1991-2020 period.
Doogie Howser M.D. was a dramedy for sure, though it was treated as a comedy on the awards circuit. It was a curious endeavor, jointly created by Steven Bochco (Hill Street Blues, L.A. Law) and David E. Kelley (Picket Fences, Ally McBeal, The Practice).
Doug B
Footballguy
I think I steered you wrong here -- Victor Newman was not on Dark Shadows. Eric Braeden's Victor Newman been a 40-year fixture on CBS' The Young and The Restless. I just meant that since Dark Shadows and two of its characters got drafted, maybe there was hope for another daytime soap character.
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krista4
Footballguy
1971-1990 Leading Man Drama Rankings (cont.)
The Apparently Interchangeable Tier
As mentioned, the total scores among this group were remarkably close. Apologies to those who got the short end of a seemingly random stick.
10 - Robert McCall (7 pts) - *lost in a tiebreaker
I was the high score here and admittedly might be influenced by my college BFF loving this show and character so much. But damn it, I love the complexity of this character, not just the typical black/white, good/bad that many TV detectives (or whatever you might call him) have. Stunningly acted, too.
(Individual rankings - 13/11/9/2)
9 - David Banner (8 pts) - *won in a tiebreaker
That "1" score will make Dr. Banner angry. You wouldn't like him when he's angry.
(Individual rankings - 13/11/10/1)
8 - Mr. Roarke (9 pts) - *lost in a tiebreaker
That "12" score should give the drafter "smiles, everyone smiles!" but please sit on this couch of rich Corinthian leather while I deliver the rest of the ranking news to you.
(Individual rankings - 12/9/8/7)
7 - Kwai Chang Kaine (10 pts) - *won in a tiebreaker
Runner-up for biggest disparity between high and low scores. As the judge that gave him the highest score, I should give you my reasoning, but instead I shall say, "Young man, how is it that you do not?"
(Individual rankings - 14/13/6/3)
6 - John Walton (11 pts) - *lost in a tie-breaker
Winner for most polarizing.
(Individual rankings - 14/14/5/4)
5 - David Addison (12 pts) - *won in a tie-breaker
Breakout role. Interesting that his character did so much better overall than the show did, while I thought the show was well-balanced between the two leads. Buncha sexists up in here.*
*I'm kidding, dumdums.
(Individual rankings - 11/9/9/8)
4 - Steve McGarrett (13 pts)
Hmmm, I just googled to get a tidbit to share and came up with the new guy instead. He sure is a lot hotter than the original one. Anyway, fun character who was solid enough to merit a new, hotter version.
(Individual rankings - 12/10/10/7)
The Apparently Interchangeable Tier
As mentioned, the total scores among this group were remarkably close. Apologies to those who got the short end of a seemingly random stick.
10 - Robert McCall (7 pts) - *lost in a tiebreaker
I was the high score here and admittedly might be influenced by my college BFF loving this show and character so much. But damn it, I love the complexity of this character, not just the typical black/white, good/bad that many TV detectives (or whatever you might call him) have. Stunningly acted, too.
(Individual rankings - 13/11/9/2)
9 - David Banner (8 pts) - *won in a tiebreaker
That "1" score will make Dr. Banner angry. You wouldn't like him when he's angry.
(Individual rankings - 13/11/10/1)
8 - Mr. Roarke (9 pts) - *lost in a tiebreaker
That "12" score should give the drafter "smiles, everyone smiles!" but please sit on this couch of rich Corinthian leather while I deliver the rest of the ranking news to you.
(Individual rankings - 12/9/8/7)
7 - Kwai Chang Kaine (10 pts) - *won in a tiebreaker
Runner-up for biggest disparity between high and low scores. As the judge that gave him the highest score, I should give you my reasoning, but instead I shall say, "Young man, how is it that you do not?"
(Individual rankings - 14/13/6/3)
6 - John Walton (11 pts) - *lost in a tie-breaker
Winner for most polarizing.
(Individual rankings - 14/14/5/4)
5 - David Addison (12 pts) - *won in a tie-breaker
Breakout role. Interesting that his character did so much better overall than the show did, while I thought the show was well-balanced between the two leads. Buncha sexists up in here.*
*I'm kidding, dumdums.
(Individual rankings - 11/9/9/8)
4 - Steve McGarrett (13 pts)
Hmmm, I just googled to get a tidbit to share and came up with the new guy instead. He sure is a lot hotter than the original one. Anyway, fun character who was solid enough to merit a new, hotter version.
(Individual rankings - 12/10/10/7)
krista4
Footballguy
Ah, I should have clicked the link. Would be interesting to think how a daytime soap character would do. Certainly there are some who are iconic. How about Luke from General Hospital? I'm sure there are others. Would be hard to compare them to those chosen.
krista4
Footballguy
1971-1990 Leading Man Drama Rankings (cont.)
The Tippy-Top Tier But This Time Without Consensus
3 - James "Sonny" Crockett (14 pts)
I dunno; I always liked the other guy better. But this is another that launched a huge movie career, as well remakes, films, and unfortunate fashion iconography.
(Individual rankings - 14/13/12/10)
2 - Dr. R. Quincy (15 pts)
Maybe that "7" score is someone pissed that they never got to learn his first name.
(Individual rankings - 16/16/15/7)
1 - Frank Furillo (16 pts)
As close as we could get to unanimity in this highly differentiated category is the complex, imperfect heart and soul of the best TV drama of the era.
(Individual rankings - 16/16/15/15)
The Tippy-Top Tier But This Time Without Consensus
3 - James "Sonny" Crockett (14 pts)
I dunno; I always liked the other guy better. But this is another that launched a huge movie career, as well remakes, films, and unfortunate fashion iconography.
(Individual rankings - 14/13/12/10)
2 - Dr. R. Quincy (15 pts)
Maybe that "7" score is someone pissed that they never got to learn his first name.
(Individual rankings - 16/16/15/7)
1 - Frank Furillo (16 pts)
As close as we could get to unanimity in this highly differentiated category is the complex, imperfect heart and soul of the best TV drama of the era.
(Individual rankings - 16/16/15/15)
krista4
Footballguy
1971-1990 Leading Man - Drama Rankings - Final List
Frank Furillo – 16 pts
Dr. R. Quincy – 15 pts
James "Sonny" Crockett - 14 pts
Steve McGarrett – 13 pts
David Addison – 12 pts
John Walton – 11 pts
Kwai Chang Caine – 10 pts
Mr. Roarke – 9 pts
David Banner – 8 pts
Robert McCall – 7 pts
Arnie Becker – 6 pts
Dr. Donald Westphall – 5 pts
Lt Mike Stone – 4 pts
Barnaby Jones – 3 pts
Blake Carrington – 2 pts
Dr. Marcus Welby – 1 pt
Frank Furillo – 16 pts
Dr. R. Quincy – 15 pts
James "Sonny" Crockett - 14 pts
Steve McGarrett – 13 pts
David Addison – 12 pts
John Walton – 11 pts
Kwai Chang Caine – 10 pts
Mr. Roarke – 9 pts
David Banner – 8 pts
Robert McCall – 7 pts
Arnie Becker – 6 pts
Dr. Donald Westphall – 5 pts
Lt Mike Stone – 4 pts
Barnaby Jones – 3 pts
Blake Carrington – 2 pts
Dr. Marcus Welby – 1 pt
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Doug B
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Luke Spencer was definitely ABC's top soap guy for a while there. But my mom always watched the CBS soaps
Anyone else remember how there used to be separate magazines for the different network daytime soaps? Like there used to be an "ABC Soaps", "NBC Soaps" and a "CBS Soaps" magazine.
krista4
Footballguy
Ah, I don't think I had a "home network." I just remember watching Days of Our Lives (NBC) followed by General Hospital (ABC) when I got home from school. And this was without benefit of a remote so I actually had to get up and change the channel!Luke Spencer was definitely ABC's top soap guy for a while there. But my mom always watched the CBS soaps
Anyone else remember how there used to be separate magazines for the different network daytime soaps? Like there used to be an "ABC Soaps", "NBC Soaps" and a "CBS Soaps" magazine.
From Days of Our Lives, "Victor" would be a good choice, and John Aniston might get bonus points for being Jennifer's dad. Were there daytime TV categories in this draft? If not, that seems like a miss.Thanks for thinking of me unfortunately I was out and about with stuff to do. Hopefully next time.
krista4
Footballguy
I haven't calculated the scores yet, but would you like to be on point for any ties in Leading Woman - Drama for '71-'90?
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