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2020-21 NBA *Playoffs* Thread: Bucks are the champs and you can take that to the bank bromigos (12 Viewers)
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Navin Johnson
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They have zero tradeable first round picks inside the Stepien window. They would have to ship Davis or LeBron to get Simmons back. Phi has a '21 and '23 firsts that are tradeable but would have to be unprotected or convertible to seconds.
eta- LA might be able to gut their roster to make salaries match but does either team say yes?
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
If you go by the reactions on social media and the NBA talking heads. KCP and salary filler should be enough for Simmons.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
twas - like Maxie & two firsts. but i've rarely seen an acquisition that fit a team better. Lowry would have provided what Rivers didn't, conjugating the win verb. i stopped watching this playoff season mostly because everybody's out there doing what they do best independent of what their teammates are doing or what ends up being most winworthy. Lowry on the floor would have kept Embiid from freeballing and Simmons from giving in to his demons and, as he did with the Raptors, kept the team from losing touch with the point of it all. aint no more a thing than putting it in the hole, boys - watch me sell out to get it done.
Navin Johnson
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msudaisy26
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Not what anyone is saying. And Lillard is only available (at a lesser value than actual) if he is demanding a trade.
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
Plenty of twitter twerps are putting it out there. Even in a situation where Lillard is demanding a trade, his value is at least two firsts higher than Simmons.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
you'll hear a lot of this this offseason. if the Lakers trade everybody under contract without uninterrupted egos or eyebrows (namely Kuzma, Harrell & KCP, like msudaisy say) they can match a 35% contract, salarywise, so fans think other teams are obliged to send them their superstars since they can. up here in Celtics country, we call it Green logic
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caustic
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Before any more basketball is played, we have the draft lottery! 
(Tomorrow night, 8:30 ET)
Potential drama:
There's a 47.9% chance that the atrocious Rockets lose their pick to the Thunder -- their pick is top-4 protected.
There's a 72.4% chance that the slightly-less-atrocious Wolves lose their pick to the Warriors -- that pick is top-3 protected.
There's a 79.8% chance that the Bulls lose their pick to the Magic (top-4 protected).
I'm rooting for OKC to land the #1 pick and for the Wolves to keep their pick (so they can take Suggs).
(Tomorrow night, 8:30 ET)Potential drama:
There's a 47.9% chance that the atrocious Rockets lose their pick to the Thunder -- their pick is top-4 protected.
There's a 72.4% chance that the slightly-less-atrocious Wolves lose their pick to the Warriors -- that pick is top-3 protected.
There's a 79.8% chance that the Bulls lose their pick to the Magic (top-4 protected).
I'm rooting for OKC to land the #1 pick and for the Wolves to keep their pick (so they can take Suggs).
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
Pulling for the Dubs...technically finshed 8th this year and will add a full season of Klay, a half season of Green, a partial season of Curry, a one-year-wiser-Wiseman, and two lottery picksBefore any more basketball is played, we have the draft lottery!
Potential drama:
There's a 47.9% chance that the atrocious Rockets lose their pick to the Thunder -- their pick is top-4 protected.
There's a 72.4% chance that the slightly-less-atrocious Wolves lose their pick to the Warriors -- that pick is top-3 protected.
There's a 79.8% chance that the Bulls lose their pick to the Magic (top-4 protected).
I'm rooting for OKC to land the #1 pick and for the Wolves to keep their pick (so they can take Suggs).
mr. furley
Footballguy
hard to get too excited about beating the Nets when they were out three guys. two of whom happen to be among the best 10 or so guys in the entire league.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Was more thinking something like Nassir Little, Zach Collins and a few picks for Simmons and Embeid. WHO SAYS NO TO THAT?
SWC
Bromigo
i feel the same way im glad we won but jeez the injury gods sure did everything they could to help us out if the nets are healthy they win and that is one heck of a scary team take that to the bank brohans
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Sure but you now get to face a young Hawks team that is a big underdog and then get maybe a Kawhi-less Clippers or most likely the Suns. I think the Bucks are looking good right now. If I ranked the 4 left it would be Bucks, Suns, Clips, Hawks. I don't say this as some kind of jinx thing - the only realistic shot the Hawks have is if Giannis has to miss games. He should dominate as much or more than Embiid did against the Hawks and the surrounding players are better/playing better.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
The Hawks this year are like Washington Huskies making the CFB playoff that one year - we are just happy to be here and hope we don't embarrass ourselves on national TV.
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General Malaise
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gruecd
Footballguy
Disagree. Bucks overcame not one, but TWO historic performances from KD. No need to apologize to anyone for this series win.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Little Hillsboro Oregon hosts the Les Schwab invitational around Xmas - some of the best HS talent in the country facing off against Oregon's best HS teams in a great tournament in a small gym. Love it.
Few years back, I took my son who's a basketball nut and during one of the games, he said that Ben Simmons (in town to play Portland) posted on his Insta that he was heading out to watch the next game. Kid was pretty stoked about this and spotted Ben and his entourage strutting into the gym on the opposite side. Pretty star struck he told me "I'm going to go get his autograph" and I said "Yeah, you can try, but he's probably not signing stuff" but he wouldn't hear of it.
After the game, we walked to the other side of the gym and waited by the exit. About 20-30 kids his age were also there, no doubt Insta followers and hoping for an autograph. Simmons finally emerged, looked straight ahead and ignored all the kids asking him for a fist bump, a signature or even a hello. Just looked straight ahead with a 200 years stare and exited out with this boys.
Karma is real, folks. Don't be a richard to kids who are over the moon that you are sharing the small gym with them to watch hoops. Could have said "hello" or just given a high five or two. But to ice them out completely? Go miss every free throw, chump.
Few years back, I took my son who's a basketball nut and during one of the games, he said that Ben Simmons (in town to play Portland) posted on his Insta that he was heading out to watch the next game. Kid was pretty stoked about this and spotted Ben and his entourage strutting into the gym on the opposite side. Pretty star struck he told me "I'm going to go get his autograph" and I said "Yeah, you can try, but he's probably not signing stuff" but he wouldn't hear of it.
After the game, we walked to the other side of the gym and waited by the exit. About 20-30 kids his age were also there, no doubt Insta followers and hoping for an autograph. Simmons finally emerged, looked straight ahead and ignored all the kids asking him for a fist bump, a signature or even a hello. Just looked straight ahead with a 200 years stare and exited out with this boys.
Karma is real, folks. Don't be a richard to kids who are over the moon that you are sharing the small gym with them to watch hoops. Could have said "hello" or just given a high five or two. But to ice them out completely? Go miss every free throw, chump.
Insein
Footballguy
No philly fan said Lillard for Simmons straight up. We have said Simmons, Thybulle, another salary (Howard maybe) plus 3 firsts and maybe that gets it done. That's after a super max sign and trade for Dame. But probably not.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
No Philly fan in this thread, but plenty in social media.
You don't have three firsts to trade.
mr. furley
Footballguy
one man teams just don't go far, though. and he nearly did win those games single-handedly.
a team with three of the 10 best players in the NBA is a different animal, entirely.
i'm happy the Bucks got through, but they got destructified by the Nets with a healthy Irving and Durant.. much less adding a healthy Harden in to the mix.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
The funny thing is one team that could definitely use Simmons would be the Hawks - now I have no idea how that would work, I don't pay attention to contracts, cap space, etc. Just from a game perspective they could use another playmaker, defender and some size. Hawks have a ton of shooters but Trae is their only real playmaker. Simmons could defend, rebound, create and never shoot.
Granted after watching him the last 7 games I'm not sure I want him on the Hawks as he seems to be a head case at the moment and I know from what y'all are saying he's due a lot of money. I'm just thinking with all the skills he does have he could be a decent piece for the Hawks. But I also have no clue what assets we would have to offer.
Granted after watching him the last 7 games I'm not sure I want him on the Hawks as he seems to be a head case at the moment and I know from what y'all are saying he's due a lot of money. I'm just thinking with all the skills he does have he could be a decent piece for the Hawks. But I also have no clue what assets we would have to offer.
General Malaise
Footballguy
I think we might be reading a bit too much into Dame's level of discontent in Portland. Let's see what Olshey can do this off-season to appease Dame. I know it sucks to get bounced in the first round of the playoffs, but there's not a citizen in Oregon that thought this team was anywhere near Championship level. And if Dame is disappointed with that, that's just an incredible lack of self awareness.
Insein
Footballguy
I trust Morey to get adequate value.
modogg
Footballguy
yeah it is nuts right now seeing ideas like Ben Simmons for 2 2nd round picks, etc. If i were the entire Sixers org. i would turn off all phones and computers and come back in 4 days when sanity begins to come back into the picture.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Harry Frogfish
Footballguy
Make no mistake about it, I'm here for the Simmons subtitles. 
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Hunter is definitely out for the Hawks but sounds like Reddish could potentially get some minutes. Maybe if Nate can manage Bogdanovic’s minutes he can break out of his slump.
Deamon
Footballguy
Is he really though? I'm in no way saying Ben is worth his contract (though I'm sure that is the one thing you guys will take from this post)... but look at all the guys in the league with max contracts. This is a league of getting max deals, and not all of them are going to work out. Right now Ben is looking like one of the many that might not be working out.
I'd call 'elite" being a top 10 NBA player, and not one person in here ever called him that. Don't even think the Sixers ever even thought he was that.
Deamon
Footballguy
Link? Or are you making that up too.
No one said that, but nice try.
EDT: I see now that you mean people on twitter, not in here. I can't find anyone on twitter saying it, but I suppose if you look on twitter hard enough, you'll find a few people that will say almost anything (like the earth is flat). It's not even close to the consensus from Philly fans that they can get Lillard for Simmons straight up, maybe 1% of them so not sure your statement has any merit.
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Deamon
Footballguy
I really hate the Hawks, Collins, and Trae. They're hatable dudes.
But you balance that out a bit. Your modesty, and just being a happy fan cheering for your team is refreshing, especially in here.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
OK, i wanna take one more shot at exploring this further, especially since Simmons is all the talk today.
Let's say the problem with him is psychological, organically or adaptively so. I've gotta pay this guy $150 million over the next four years to further demoralize my talented squad. or, i'm a GM of another team who thinks a different utilization of Ben Simmons' talents might unlock the other half of his game.
Either way, i have no way of knowing that Simmons will ever attempt an important shot at a basket without bursting into tears. Do i have a right, according to the current CBA, to insist upon a psych eval and then, if his dysfunction can be shown to be developmental or psychological, require him to follow some form of prescribed course to health?
Anybody out there actually know the answer to this or want and know how to chase it down?
Deamon
Footballguy
Psych evals are much trickier than physical ones and impossible to diagnose with 100% certainty. Sure if he has something like schizophrenia, but that's not the case here. He likely does have some sort of mental block/issue that is affecting his game to some degree. Making fun of that or talking about 'tears' or being 'un-tough' is part of what is wrong with the world today.
Whatever is Bens issue (lack of effort, lack of ability, mental block), it doesn't seem like he will be able to overcome that here. No one knows what's going on in his head, but there clearly is an issue there with his confidence. People love to just blame him for lack of effort because that's the easiest reason for them to understand, and easiest way to appoint blame.
Not sure if the Sixers can force an eval or not, can they force a physical eval if a player is injured but refuses to let a doctor look at his knee?
Deamon
Footballguy
Tanking is such a loaded word. So OKC has no right to do what they're doing either? The way they went about building the team has already paid off, whether they win a title or not (it's now doubtful that they do win a title). There would have been years of mediocrity without it... he put them in a position to win, but it didn't work. In today's NBA (maybe this year is the year that changes... hopefully anyways), if you can't attract star Free Agents or hit on draft picks, you're never going to win a title.
Would love it if every year going forward is more wide open like this year, it's made the NBA a lot more fun. But the Nets are set up to crush everyone next year.
caustic
Footballguy
Unless this is explicitly allowed in the CBA (and I don't think it is), I'm going to guess no: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q106
identikit
Footballguy
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Of course there's no need to apologize - they can only play the team in front of them. That's different than acknowledging the healthy dose of luck that helped the Bucks get past the Nets. But injuries are part of the game, especially in the playoffs. There's no crying, no excuses and no apologizing this time of year.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
thx for the link.
a scan gives me this:
and this interesting li'l nugget from the fine & suspension portion:
dunno if it's enough to compel an eval or treatment - certainly not for a trade partner craving some due diligence, tho - but it's a window
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
Since 'The Process' began, the Atlanta Hawks were in the conference finals, rebuilt turning over the entire roster, and are in the conference finals again.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
The Process would have worked if not for those snooping kids!
I mean, the trade up for Fultz was a disaster. They overpaid for Tobias Harris (wasting the 1st rounder that they got for the terrible trade of Mikal Bridges for Zhaire Smith trade). They chose Simmons/Brett Brown over Jimmy and Reddick. The Horford signing never made sense. And as much as I love Thybulle and Maxey as pieces of a championship roster, you include them to get Harden (or maybe even CP3). Other than that though, great success.
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