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2020-21 NBA *Playoffs* Thread: Bucks are the champs and you can take that to the bank bromigos (13 Viewers)
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identikit
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Lots of viches in the leagueDammit.
(Well regardless, my point still stands about the other one.)
AAABatteries
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He’s been great, especially against the Knicks but he and Huerter were brutal last night and Nate deserves credit for sitting him and riding the vet hot hand in Sweet Lou.Dammit.
(Well regardless, my point still stands about the other one.)
need2know
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Dr. Octopus
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Even CNBC is trolling Ben Simmons today.
need2know
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modogg
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yes this stuff is wonderful. Thankfully for Sixers' fans, all of the NBA experts in this thread realize it is as simple as trade Ben and everything will be fine.
Ben was obviously the only Sixers still playing when they blew both of these huge leads, and all Morrey needs to do is look at a stat sheet to see who has higher ppg, and simply trade for that guy.
Thanks everybody, problem solved
modogg
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the whole Doc thing is getting pretty worrisome. I certainly defer to him knowing how to play and coach, but even in his presser after the game he says at 1:55 that one of the issues the Sixers were having is that they were trying to attack match-ups:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUAUr-j__bY&ab_channel=HouseofHighlights
i am likely completely wrong, but how you see Trae and Lou Williams on the court and you don't think to attack both of those guys is confusing to me to say the least
Nathan R. Jessep
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I think it's just a matter of time.Jayrod said:
Listening to a New Orleans beat writer yesterday, he said the players REALLY love and respect T-Spoon. Zion and Kira Lewis especially. And he mentioned she had done some coaching as well. I had to look it up. I had forgotten she was the head coach at LA Tech (where she played college ball and led them to a national title) for a few years, and was fairly successful. And she had a pretty good WNBA career as well, of course. So she knows the game from both sides and has succeeded at both as well.
need2know
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any in game adjustments he makes are either too late or wrong. his rotations are strange and make little sense. rolls with too many all bench lineups. also hope they end it in 6
msudaisy26
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It was on TV. Kramer was busting on his FT % - and then they showed a graphic showing the Sixers has a 99.7(?) predicted win chance late in the third quarter.
msudaisy26
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Jayrod
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This is both accurate and hilarious.
I was anti-Young for his career so far. He seems like a D-bag, but I was smiling when he kept shooting daggers into the hearts of Philly. I only watched the last few minutes. When I turned it on, the Hawks were down 6 and had the ball and I started laughing because I knew the Sixers were in trouble. Sure enough, 2 TY buckets cuts it to 2 and then full blown panic sets in and even the struggling Travis Bickle knocked down a big shot to finish them off.
wikkidpissah
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wikkidpissah
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mr. furley
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you'd know better than me, but does the Leonard Hamilton FSU program seemingly crank out more than their fair share of NBA ready players? i feel like all these dudes come in well-rounded, ready to go and compete.
there doesn't seem be a steep curve and they don't seem to flame out.
maybe it's all in my imagination.
AAABatteries
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My uneducated take is FSU and Hamilton are hardnosed and tough, play fantastic defense and are usually in great shape. Teams can definitely use players like that and they can immediately come in an contribute and have a role. Their skills are as obvious at FSU because their offense usually stinks, I don't think Hamilton does a great job improving their offensive skills and there's usually 3-4 of them on the same team.
identikit
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wikkidpissah
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i dont watch much college ball but Univ of VT made it into the tourney in '19 and drew FSU 1st round. i was so impressed with the Noles (Mann, Kabengele - who i still think will be a useful pro - & a 7 1/2 ft African named Christ) i followed em til they lost to Zags in the Sweet 16. Very get-after-it team whose shooting ran hot & cold, but i was highly impressed with their pro style
ETA: Mann was quite ball-dominant on that squad and could probably bring it up with this Clips team if they didnt wanna go pbev/vjax in the backcourt
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modogg
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funny that i kind of felt the same way, but with every single national NBA media glowing gleefully with the Sixers last 2 losses, and laughing about how bad they have been makes me feel that it would be a little justified for them to come back and win the next 2.
i don't even want to watch the game on Friday, but hearing the interview with Larry Brown who seems to have some idea what he is talking about here makes it feel like the team is not a complete dumpster fire and know's what is going on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR3MO0OTzsU&ab_channel=NBCSportsPhiladelphia
Maybe it will work if Doc let's Cassell or Burke coach the 4th Q on Friday, maybe Danny Green
Insein
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In regards to Ben Simmons, I think there comes a point where you accept a player is not capable of certain things. There's no argument to be made at this point. He just cost you a 20 point lead.
You cannot start Ben Simmons in the 4th Quarter and being benched is the one thing that may actually motivate him to practice his craft. He's officially entered Shaq territory.
You cannot start Ben Simmons in the 4th Quarter and being benched is the one thing that may actually motivate him to practice his craft. He's officially entered Shaq territory.
caustic
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IMO yes, especially considering the alternative. Favors is their only other playable center and has yet to post a positive +/- this series. Utah loses ground pretty much every time Gobert leaves the game.
Absolutely. He's often the best defender and rebounder on the floor. It's a lot easier to cover the 3 point line, when you've got a monster of a man monitoring the paint.
Last night was a big hodgepodge of Paul George's career being disappointing, meets trap game, meets Vegas rig job. The Jazz now have a whole game of tape of how to defend the "new look" Clippers. I liked the spark I saw in PG13's eye last night. He's supposed to be a high volume player carrying a team on his back.
The whole "dynamic duo" thing is overrated. Some players need to be able to put up 15 to 20 shots a game, every game. Paul George is waaaay better suited playing superman than tag team. I think a team's dynamic is just better when they're an actually team and not a mish, mash of superstars.
Leeroy Jenkins
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It is worse than Shaq really. Shaq wasn't scared to get the ball and try to score. They should have just left Shake and Thybulle out there.
It just seemed that Embiid and Curry were running a two-man game and everyone else stood around. Didn't even try to get open or go for a rebound.
AAABatteries
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Did anybody else catch Kenny talking the other night about closing a game out and making FTs and then using Shaq as an example? The look on Shaq’s face
dickey moe
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The Sixers can't win a championship with Simmons, same as the way it's been for the past couple of years.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
it's different with Simmons. i'm told he shoots FTs twice as good w his other hand, which happens to be his natural hand, btw.
that's why, as an advocate for his exceptional talent for longer than anyone here and for the entertainment of those who reveled in my formal Borderline Personality Disorder analysis of Kyrie Irving a coupla yrs ago, i'm going back to the diagnostic manual to suggest that Simmons might be an autistic savant - yes, like Rain Man.
i remember as far back as his LSU days, when his coach kept yelling at him to start the offense high. without a hint of it being from ego, Ben didn't stop until he was running the Tiger offense from the spot on the floor where PJTucker shoots treys.
then, in his second year with the Sixers, i'd watch him on D and sensed that, oblivious to the actual play as it occurred, he was "practicing" his peripheral vision, seeing how far he could get from the action while still being able to respond to it at shot time. this resulted in the next year him being always halfway between what was happening and what could happen, which has what has made him one of the best defensive (and THE best @ zone) players in the game.
it's literally ALL in his head. he's counting all the toothpicks but cant add 1 + 3. the terrible coaching of Brett Brown (and imperial nature of Embiid) "forced" him away from finding a two-man game with his fellow superstar when that was the natural thing; the call for him to expand out to shooting treys in his early years "forced" him to not only avoid them like the plague but actually get worse @ deuces; and the attention on his free throws has made him "want" to get worse&worse at it so that his self-concept can be just as far as possible from the public concept of him. combine that with the faraway look in his eyes and the more placidly he acts the worse it gets, and i'm pretty sure there's something dramatically Aspergerish at play making him such an assburger.
that's why, as an advocate for his exceptional talent for longer than anyone here and for the entertainment of those who reveled in my formal Borderline Personality Disorder analysis of Kyrie Irving a coupla yrs ago, i'm going back to the diagnostic manual to suggest that Simmons might be an autistic savant - yes, like Rain Man.
i remember as far back as his LSU days, when his coach kept yelling at him to start the offense high. without a hint of it being from ego, Ben didn't stop until he was running the Tiger offense from the spot on the floor where PJTucker shoots treys.
then, in his second year with the Sixers, i'd watch him on D and sensed that, oblivious to the actual play as it occurred, he was "practicing" his peripheral vision, seeing how far he could get from the action while still being able to respond to it at shot time. this resulted in the next year him being always halfway between what was happening and what could happen, which has what has made him one of the best defensive (and THE best @ zone) players in the game.
it's literally ALL in his head. he's counting all the toothpicks but cant add 1 + 3. the terrible coaching of Brett Brown (and imperial nature of Embiid) "forced" him away from finding a two-man game with his fellow superstar when that was the natural thing; the call for him to expand out to shooting treys in his early years "forced" him to not only avoid them like the plague but actually get worse @ deuces; and the attention on his free throws has made him "want" to get worse&worse at it so that his self-concept can be just as far as possible from the public concept of him. combine that with the faraway look in his eyes and the more placidly he acts the worse it gets, and i'm pretty sure there's something dramatically Aspergerish at play making him such an assburger.
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msudaisy26
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caustic
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Woah!
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
Rick Carlisle -- who led Dallas to the 2011 NBA championship -- informed Mavericks owner Mark Cuban today that he won't be returning as coach next season, Carlisle told ESPN. Carlisle had two years left on his contract. He spent 13 seasons as Mavericks coach.
3:07 PM · Jun 17, 2021
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
Rick Carlisle -- who led Dallas to the 2011 NBA championship -- informed Mavericks owner Mark Cuban today that he won't be returning as coach next season, Carlisle told ESPN. Carlisle had two years left on his contract. He spent 13 seasons as Mavericks coach.
3:07 PM · Jun 17, 2021
Juxtatarot
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modogg
Footballguy
are we forgetting that teams have 5 guys on court? Even Seth Curry who was hitting great shots the whole time, was letting old man Lou Williams score at will.
it is insane that every loss seems to be all on Simmons shoulders. like everybody else on the team has no role on losing these last 2 games? I don't get how everybody wants to constantly say Ben is worst player of all time, and all the team needs to do is trade Ben and everything will be fine and normal.
I agree Ben has been embarrassing the last 2 games. But the whole team has too. Look at Doc's record:
2003 Magic: Blew a 3-1 lead to the Pistons, though to be fair this was a 1-8 matchup. Still, 3-1
2009 Celtics: Blew a 3-2 lead to the Magic
2010 Celtics: Blew a 3-2 lead to the Lakers
2012 Celtics: Blew a 3-2 lead to the Heat
2015 Clippers: Blew a 3-1 lead to the Rockets, losing the last three by no less than 12 points
2020 Clippers: Blew a 3-1 lead to the Nuggets, after Denver had been through a seven-game series the previous round.
2021: 2 of the biggest losses in a team's history after 2 of the biggest losses blown
Insein
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modogg
Footballguy
Ben did sink the 2 FTs when they first started hacking Ben in the 4th. And he had missed plenty with no pressure to get more points so I don’t think his issue is with pressure.
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mr. furley
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Tony Allen ..... in 2021?
Dr. Octopus
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The NBA is a star driven league and Simmons is supposed to be the second “star” on this team. Of course he’s going to bear the brunt of criticism when the team loses - especially in the fashion they lost, and especially when his FT% was ridiculously bad and he scored zero baskets in the second half.
Im not trying to pile on but that’s just how it goes in today’s NBA.
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Anarchy99
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There has been a lot of chatter and debate about this series in Greater Boston over the last decade. The league still had a 2-3-2 format for the finals back then. The Celtics were ahead 3 games to 2 after 5 games . . . and then lost the last two games on the road in LA. They got hammered in Game 6. But Game 7 was tied with 6 minutes left in the game and they ended up losing by 4 points. The Lakers were 45-8 at home that year and they had already beaten LA on the road in the series. Is that really "choking away" the series when you had to win a road game to win? To me, the home team should be expected to win, so I don't really count this as one of Doc's choke jobs like some of the others.
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Insein
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Not really. I'd say it's about 80-20 today of extremely pissed off to the defensive group.
wikkidpissah
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Philly fans have always struck me as more "only WE get to trash OUR players" than insanely homerish
identikit
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The Big Donkey
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DJackson10
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Maybe because it was the way they went about losing a how a lot of Sixers went about acting like there was a guaranteed titled at the end of this?i don't think i have ever seen so many people so gleeful and happy when a team loses. There is like 1-2 Hawks fans in here and like 30+ anti-Sixers fans.
I mean for me personally living here and seeing trends with where I work I will say the team has the biggest bandwagon fanbase of them all and incredible annoying. I have everyday customers I've seen for yrs coming in now with 76ers gear who just 3 seasons ago had Lebron Jerseys on Warrior jerseys, etc claiming they were "big fans of those teams." I also think they are the most sensitive group of fans in the city. And considering the stories I've heard of the guy from former Managers it makes me sick seeing people put a guy like AI on a pedestal constantly. Talented player but absolute garbage trash human being who the organizations and fans enabled his behavior and why he is where he is today. On top of all of that they traded my favorite Player in Jerry Stackhouse all because AI wanted to act like a baby.
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