2020-21 NBA Thread: AROD buys Timberwolves to satisfy lifelong dream of living in Minnesota

[Deamon 5,607]

Just now, Yo Mama said:

I guess it’s no surprise you left out 3pt FG% (17% vs 43%), TO (3.3 vs 2.7), WS (3.2 vs 3.7), etc. 

 

The difference between Middleton and Simmons is far greater in scoring and shooting than in defense. Middleton is an excellent defender. 

Again, 3P% is included in FG%, are you new to basketball?

[Deamon 5,607]

1 minute ago, Yo Mama said:

I guess it’s no surprise you left out 3pt FG% (17% vs 43%), TO (3.3 vs 2.7), WS (3.2 vs 3.7), etc. 

 

The difference between Middleton and Simmons is far greater in scoring and shooting than in defense. Middleton is an excellent defender. 

You also say "etc" without listing..what else is he better at?  If Middleton is an excellent defender, than Simmons is an elite defender.

And you mention far better in scoring and shooting, yet ignore assists and rebounds which ben is superior in.  If you showed any unbiased person their two stat lines, Simmons would be superior.  AND he's a better defender, AND he's on a better team.

[Yo Mama 4,774]

1 minute ago, Deamon said:

Again, 3P% is included in FG%, are you new to basketball?

That’s just silly. And I’m new to basketball?

 

How about true shooting % or eFG, which factors in the fact that 3 pointers, you know, count more than two pointers. Middleton is higher in both. 

[Deamon 5,607]

Just now, Yo Mama said:

That’s just silly. And I’m new to basketball?

 

How about true shooting % or eFG, which factors in the fact that 3 pointers, you know, count more than two pointers. Middleton is higher in both. 

How is that silly?  You want to count 3's missed and made in BOTH FG% and in 3P%?

But sure, I agree, eFG% is probably best for that.  In that category, 58.3 to 57.4 for middleton.  He gets a very small win there.

 

[Yo Mama 4,774]

3 minutes ago, Deamon said:

You also say "etc" without listing..what else is he better at?  If Middleton is an excellent defender, than Simmons is an elite defender.

And you mention far better in scoring and shooting, yet ignore assists and rebounds which ben is superior in.  If you showed any unbiased person their two stat lines, Simmons would be superior.  AND he's a better defender, AND he's on a better team.

Sorry Ben’s burner, I figured it was best to not get into advanced stats any further (which was a good choice since 3pt Fg is part of Fg). 
 

Better does not equal superior. A couple rebounds and a couple assists is much closer than 26% difference in 3pt Fg and a 23% difference in ft%. 
 

Simmons is a great player, Middleton is the better all around player this season. Sorry to put you on the defensive. 
 

[Yo Mama 4,774]

Now let’s talk more LeBron versus Jordan so we can all agree on something. 

[Deamon 5,607]

10 minutes ago, Yo Mama said:

I guess it’s no surprise you left out 3pt FG% (17% vs 43%), TO (3.3 vs 2.7), WS (3.2 vs 3.7), etc. 

 

The difference between Middleton and Simmons is far greater in scoring and shooting than in defense. Middleton is an excellent defender. 

But sure, let's get into all your "etc etc"

Points:  Middleton
Assists:  Simmons
Rebounds:  Simmons
Steals:  Simmons
Blocks:  Simmons
Turnovers:  Middleton
eFG %: Middleton
FT%:  Middleton
OWS: Middleton
DWS:  Simmons
BPM:  Simmons
VORP:  Simmons

Plus he's a better defender and on a better team.

[Yo Mama 4,774]

Sorry everyone else - I’m done

[Deamon 5,607]

2 minutes ago, Yo Mama said:

Sorry Ben’s burner, I figured it was best to not get into advanced stats any further (which was a good choice since 3pt Fg is part of Fg). 
 

Better does not equal superior. A couple rebounds and a couple assists is much closer than 26% difference in 3pt Fg and a 23% difference in ft%. 
 

Simmons is a great player, Middleton is the better all around player this season. Sorry to put you on the defensive. 
 

Again, showing advanced stats above, Simmons has the edge.  A couple Rebounds and a couple Assists per game is absolutely a big deal.  Take away Ben's buzzer beater 3's and his % is just as good as Middletons.  Comparing 3P% when it's not part of Ben's game is silly.  I used your eFG% and they're almost the same (30th and 37th in the NBA), where as Ben's defensive advanced stats are far superior to Middletons.  I know you get your jollies hating on Ben, but to say that Middleton's stats are "WAY" better than Ben's, to a point where it trumps team record and defensive ability, so much to the point you're "shocked" is just wild.

[Deamon 5,607]

Just now, Yo Mama said:

Sorry everyone else - I’m done

Done as soon as I use your advanced stats to show Ben's numbers are better 😂

Predictable.

[wikkidpissah 19,154]

anybody wanna see my algorithm?

[Yo Mama 4,774]

5 minutes ago, Deamon said:

Again, showing advanced stats above, Simmons has the edge.  A couple Rebounds and a couple Assists per game is absolutely a big deal.  Take away Ben's buzzer beater 3's and his % is just as good as Middletons.  Comparing 3P% when it's not part of Ben's game is silly.  I used your eFG% and they're almost the same (30th and 37th in the NBA), where as Ben's defensive advanced stats are far superior to Middletons.  I know you get your jollies hating on Ben, but to say that Middleton's stats are "WAY" better than Ben's, to a point where it trumps team record and defensive ability, so much to the point you're "shocked" is just wild.

Link?

 

Again, sorry to offend. 

[Deamon 5,607]

1 minute ago, Yo Mama said:

Link?

 

Again, sorry to offend. 

Link to what?  You suggested that a couple more ppg, a better ft%, and a TINY bit better efg%, is superior than a few more apg, rpg, bpg, spg, on a better team, with better defensive skills.  So much superior that you're 'shocked'. 

They are not as close defensively as you're suggesting.  In Defensive Box Score +/- (actually a really good judge of defensive impact on a game), Simmons is #2 in the NBA (only guard in the top 10), and Middleton is 92nd in the NBA. 

Value over Replacement Player might be the best judge of how good a player is in the league.  20 of the top 22 players in this category made the ASG.  In this category, Simmons is 21, Middleton is 24.  In fact, not a SINGLE EAST ALL STAR finished outside the top 22 on this list... Middleton would have been the only one if he made it. 

To say you're 'shocked" that the 21st beat out the 24th for a spot in the ASG is quite the exaggeration.

 

[Yo Mama 4,774]

30 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said:

anybody wanna see my algorithm?

Now I’m going to start an argument with you about how no team under .500 should ever get two all stars. 

[wikkidpissah 19,154]

4 hours ago, Yo Mama said:

Now I’m going to start an argument with you about how no team under .500 should ever get two all stars. 

why bring up the Cincinnati Royals now?!

[FairWarning 1,022]

14 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said:

why bring up the Cincinnati Royals now?!

Sounds like the Cubs.  It wasn't the 2-3 HOFers fault the rest of the team sucked.

[wikkidpissah 19,154]

4 hours ago, Yo Mama said:

Now I’m going to start an argument with you about how no team under .500 should ever get two all stars. 

the Mavs game gave a perfect argument for those who think Stevens has lost it. when Boban was having his Linsanity-lite moment with the Sixers, the Celts came into town and rubbed the big fella off onto Kyrie, who'd promptly spin him into the ground, every time down the floor til Brown hadda take him out. tonite, he was allowed to clog the lane with impunity. wassupwiddat?!

[SWC 15,742]

most guys who played in the 80s died on the court from vicious clotheslines happened about twice a game take that to the bank brohans    
 

[SWC 15,742]

1 hour ago, wikkidpissah said:

the Mavs game gave a perfect argument for those who think Stevens has lost it. when Boban was having his Linsanity-lite moment with the Sixers, the Celts came into town and rubbed the big fella off onto Kyrie, who'd promptly spin him into the ground, every time down the floor til Brown hadda take him out. tonite, he was allowed to clog the lane with impunity. wassupwiddat?!

in the 80s they would have clothesline murdered him with about two minutes gone in the second quarter take that to the bank brohan  

[modogg 4,937]

this thread can descend into madness so quickly. similar to most NBA forums and conversations online, why do these occur? is it the individualistic aspect of the NBA, or something else? just saying i check football one's and hockey one's, and they really don't seem to get so nutty. 

 

[Sammy3469 10,319]

16 minutes ago, modogg said:

this thread can descend into madness so quickly. similar to most NBA forums and conversations online, why do these occur? is it the individualistic aspect of the NBA, or something else? just saying i check football one's and hockey one's, and they really don't seem to get so nutty. 

 

Basketball is almost as SERIOUS BUSINESS(tm) as beisbol

[Alex P Keaton 4,271]

10 hours ago, Deamon said:

Interesting. 

Ben: 15.7P, 8.3R, 7.9A, 1.7S, 0.8B, 57FG%, 67FT%

Mid: 20.5P, 6.0R, 5.7A, 1.1S, 0.2B, 50FG%, 89FT%

Ben has him in 5 of 7 statistical categories and is easily the better defender.  

Yet you're "shocked" ? Ok. 

I'm shocked anyone uses points, rebounds, assists, blocks and steals per game as primary metrics in the year 2021.

[mr. furley 12,402]

does Ben Simmons even get to sit on the bench in the last few minutes of games or do the Sixers want him in the locker room in case his allergy to offense leaks out on to the court?

[Desert_Power 1,034]

1 hour ago, modogg said:

this thread can descend into madness so quickly. similar to most NBA forums and conversations online, why do these occur? is it the individualistic aspect of the NBA, or something else? just saying i check football one's and hockey one's, and they really don't seem to get so nutty. 

 

Only solution seems to be to ban Sixers fans  

[SWC 15,742]

this thread gets ridiculous when people proclaim that lebron james who has won multiple titles and has basically carried teams to the finals for every year for about a decade would stink and spend most nights hiding in a corner if bill lambier was still playing i mean i dont even know how to describe that type of hot takery its just like the surface of the sun take that to the bank brohans 

[Navin Johnson 519]

11 hours ago, Deamon said:

Again, 3P% is included in FG%, are you new to basketball?

Except it's not.  Seriously.  It isn't.

[SWC 15,742]

Just now, Navin Johnson said:

Except it's not.  Seriously.  It isn't.

yes it is stop it its calculated separately but its also included in total field goal percentage take that to the bank bromigo 

[Deamon 5,607]

1 minute ago, Navin Johnson said:

Except it's not.  Seriously.  It isn't.

Yes, it is. Seriously. It is. 

[SWC 15,742]

is it april 1st or something what in name of tarnashun is going on in here take that to the bank brochachos 

[Gr00vus 11,993]

Pretty sure they'll be having this argument in 2079 about how Biff Jackson and his cybernetic implants would have destroyed George Mikan at hoops.

[Yo Mama 4,774]

10 minutes ago, SWC said:

is it april 1st or something what in name of tarnashun is going on in here take that to the bank brochachos 

I think we need some trade rumors or something to get us through the mid season doldrums bromeister

[Deamon 5,607]

1 hour ago, mr. furley said:

does Ben Simmons even get to sit on the bench in the last few minutes of games or do the Sixers want him in the locker room in case his allergy to offense leaks out on to the court?

 

1 hour ago, Desert_Power said:

Only solution seems to be to ban Sixers fans  

Or ban those who are allergic to giving a 3 time All-Star any credit at all. Even when he succeeds or has good stats, it's either "ignore the sixers fan" or "gang up on the sixers fan" 

I get that modogg's anti-celtics shtick can get a little overdone, but most of us are just happy we are finally decent. 

[Deamon 5,607]

13 minutes ago, SWC said:

is it april 1st or something what in name of tarnashun is going on in here take that to the bank brochachos 

Just some Ben haters and LeBron haters in full force lately. All the cool kids are doing it. 

[SWC 15,742]

is ben simmons better than lebron james or what take that to the bank brohans 

[Deamon 5,607]

2 hours ago, Alex P Keaton said:

I'm shocked anyone uses points, rebounds, assists, blocks and steals per game as primary metrics in the year 2021.

What would you use?  I like vorp the best. 

[Deamon 5,607]

1 minute ago, SWC said:

is ben simmons better than lebron james or what take that to the bank brohans 

Lol not a chances 

[thecatch 2,252]

4 minutes ago, Deamon said:

Just some Ben haters and LeBron haters in full force lately. All the cool kids are doing it. 

 nobody was talking about Simmons until you showed up yesterday and provoked a debate about him.

[Desert_Power 1,034]

5 minutes ago, SWC said:

is ben simmons better than lebron james or what take that to the bank brohans 

We must focus on the real GOAT: Alex Caruso 

[wikkidpissah 19,154]

8 minutes ago, Gr00vus said:

Pretty sure they'll be having this argument in 2079 about how Biff Jackson and his cybernetic implants would have destroyed George Mikan at hoops.

should we hep Otis onto Biff Jackson futures or keep it to ourselves?

[Deamon 5,607]

Just now, thecatch said:

 nobody was talking about Simmons until you showed up yesterday and provoked a debate about him.

People talk Simmons daily in here dude. 

[wikkidpissah 19,154]

Just now, Desert_Power said:

We must focus on the real GOAT: Alex Caruso 

my new softener

[SWC 15,742]

its true that when i post i usually state that i do not like simmons so that is fair take that to the bank brohans 

Edited February 24 by SWC
i may have mentioned that he compares to connie hawkins who was about the 20th best center of his era except that hawkins was a much better free throw shooter take that to the bank brohans

[SWC 15,742]

can you even imagine connie hawkins bringing the ball up in todays nba if you cant turn on a sixers game except imagine that when ben simmons flops and goes to the line he makes the free throws take that to the bank brochachos 

[Deamon 5,607]

12 minutes ago, SWC said:

can you even imagine connie hawkins bringing the ball up in todays nba if you cant turn on a sixers game except imagine that when ben simmons flops and goes to the line he makes the free throws take that to the bank brochachos 

Flopping and only hitting 70% from the line... thought we were done talking LeBron 😂

[mr. furley 12,402]

all-star voting is 50% fan vote

reddit could fire up a meme and create an all-12th man all-star game if they wanted

[Nathan R. Jessep 5,809]

16 hours ago, modogg said:

Glad Julius Randle made the East all-star squad. Some silly suggestions on the roster though, how the hell did they leave Booker off?

Silliests picks have to be Zion and Tatum. Not sure how Sabonis, Harris or even Middleton didn't get a spot over Tatum. And Zion, that's just silly

ETA: No Butler or Bam should light a fire for the Heat too. I know they have had a rough start, but that was mostly Covid. 

Obvious Pels homer here, but can you explain why it's so silly? I'm intrigued at why you think it's the silliest pick. Have you looked at Zion's numbers this season? And who he's put them up against? 

[SWC 15,742]

14 minutes ago, Deamon said:

Flopping and only hitting 70% from the line... thought we were done talking LeBron 😂

ben simmons is a career 604 free throw shooter and that is an improvement from his rookie year of 560 so i guess i give him credit for working on it but he is still no connie hawkins take that to the bank bromigos 

[Deamon 5,607]

9 minutes ago, mr. furley said:

all-star voting is 50% fan vote

reddit could fire up a meme and create an all-12th man all-star game if they wanted

Yep. The funny thing is Ben did very poorly in the fan voting but very strong in the votes from the players. 

[Deamon 5,607]

5 minutes ago, SWC said:

ben simmons is a career 604 free throw shooter and that is an improvement from his rookie year of 560 so i guess i give him credit for working on it but he is still no connie hawkins take that to the bank bromigos 

Yes him and LeBron both are not good from the line. Simmons slightly worse. 

[Gr00vus 11,993]

1 hour ago, wikkidpissah said:

should we hep Otis onto Biff Jackson futures or keep it to ourselves?

I plan on owning the cybernetic implants, so I'll be getting roughly 50% of all Biff's revenues anyway. Let Otis have his crumbs.