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2020-21 NBA *Playoffs* Thread: Bucks are the champs and you can take that to the bank bromigos (3 Viewers)
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Shouldn’t Levert’s kidney thing nullify the trade?
The Nets added compensation, a 2nd and cash, to keep the deal on with this added development.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Can you imagine if that trade was nullified? It would have been total chaos!
But as much as it may suck for Indy, I just don’t think they could take back Oladipo and everyone pretend that everything’s ok.
Capella
Footballguy
mr. furley
Footballguy
he missed it by feet even. not inches. airballs happen, but not feet short on what amounted to a pre-game warm up shot.
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wikkidpissah
Footballguy
i'd trade Jayson Tatum for Simmons in a heartbeat.. he is the other side of the Kyrie/Poopbeard coin, has been told he's special for so long that it turned his passion to contempt. unlike the other two, tho, he's turned it inwards. lacking a team/coach who understood his game, he converted his unprecedented court vision into a way to become the best defensive player in the game. unfortunately, on offense, he's had to share the court with the only player as much a unicorn in specific gift as he, and it's meant that the court is never his and he needs it to be. if it's not too late already, Simmons has a year, maybe two, where his game can still grow, but it wont be in Philly. til then, there aint 5 guys i'd rather start a team with.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
3 for 29 in career 3 point attempts. That doesn't happen all the time. Inexcusable to not work on this.
modogg
Footballguy
this is pure fantasy GM of course, but it is a fascinating idea. i'm sure 90% of the national media would disagree because of the narratives with both players, but if this happened, i would love to see who would have the better season
modogg
Footballguy
you know how many of those were half court heaves before halftime? i think over half
modogg
Footballguy
Did you bet against the Sixers in the Miami games too? You seem like a very fair weather gambler, i suggest betting lightly as you go forward.
Sixers lose to Grizz. Easiest team to make money off in sports.
On a side note, i made good money betting the Sixers yesterday in live betting getting them at +11 and +4.5. So if all of your posts are true i can give you a
for both of us making money. Are you betting the the Thunder +3 tonight too?
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Moe.
Footballguy
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Those Nets jerseys they wore last night are really nice. Their recent City jerseys have been awful IMO.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Basketball Reference lists Simmons with 10 heaves across his career. Excluding those attempts, he would be 3 for 19 on three pointers.
Deamon
Footballguy
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/ben-simmons-career-shot-chart-by-season
And that's just "heaves". Even more of those are very long distance 3s at the buzzer.
Looks like he's 3 for 11 on actual 3's. @Desert_Power @modogg
Deamon
Footballguy
Predictable.
I know it's fun to hate on the Sixers as there's many fans in this forum, but it's a tired act. Does he have a major weakness? Sure. But you act like you're blind to the fact that he's still one of the top players in the league.
Deamon
Footballguy
Ya it's funny, apparently he's either trolling or is psychic. Pretty impressive that he has known exactly which 5 games the Sixers would lose this year and bet hard against them, and avoided betting against them on the 9 games he knew they'd win.Did you bet against the Sixers in the Miami games too? You seem like a very fair weather gambler, i suggest betting lightly as you go forward.
On a side note, i made good money betting the Sixers yesterday in live betting getting them at +11 and +4.5. So if all of your posts are true i can give you a
Are you betting the the Thunder +3 tonight too?
mr. furley
Footballguy
in 4+ years of NBA basketball, as a full time starting guard, he has attempted 11 "official" three pointers
someone named Alen Smailagic, backup (3rd string?) center attemped 12 in the 2019-2020 season alone.
let that sink in.
that's not a "hole" in his game. that's like calling a guy who got hit by multiple .50 caliber rounds that he's just got a few scrapes.
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Capella
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
Yes. Its a problem. When did I say it wasnt? I'm saying the problem is being exaggerated by many. He's still one of the top players in the league.
Deamon
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
You seem pretty mad. Nobody is a Sixers hater either, people don’t hate on a team that hasn’t won anything in 40 years and went through the biggest laughingstock rebuild in history just to draft a guard who shoots 3s worse than Shaq. There’s a difference between mocking and hating.
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mr. furley
Footballguy
it's not possible to exaggerate the issue too much
he's a great passer, great defender. he's more than a net negative on offense. it's like playing 5 on 4 when he's on the court. he's Bruce Bowen with a worse shot?
Deamon
Footballguy
Lol your two statements are contradictory and are exactly an exaggeration.
Like playing 5 on 4? Exaggeration. Pretty sure any NBA team with 4 on the court wouldn't make playoffs.
A worse player than Bruce Bowen? Simmons is an NBA all star dude, he's easily one of the top 50 players in the world.
Simmons’ problem is not being exaggerated. It can’t possibly be exaggerated. A team with a lead guard whom (a) handles the ball as much as he does and (b) refuses to shoot open shots will never be in contention to win a title in today’s era. Simply impossible. So no matter how great he is at everything else, what matters is that’s he’s an offensive liability in crunch time when, ya know, you need your elite players to be able to step up.
Deamon
Footballguy
Yes it can possibly be exaggerated. If it's actually and literally "impossible" to win a title with him not shooting 3's, then why would any NBA team even want him?
Because they drafted him, (foolishly?) signed him to a max extension, he’s a decent player, and what are now the alternatives? To cut him? The fact that Houston wanted a bunch of likely late 1sts over Simmons should speak volumes to what his likely worth is. Guy hasn’t improved much at all in four years. He is what he is, and that’s not the starting lead guard on a championship team.
Capella
Footballguy
Bc like 3 NBA teams can win a title in any given year so making the playoffs is fine for most, and also Ben can deliver the Kardashian ratings.
Capella
Footballguy
The fact Houston took that Nets deal over Simmons really should tell people what they need to know.
Deamon
Footballguy
Foolishly drafted him? lol Who would you have drafted in that spot if you were the GM?
And it is not only not a "fact" that Houston wanted a bunch of late 1sts over Simmons, but it's also completely false.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
right??I mean anyone saying Murray would just be talking in hindsight, he wasn't considered a top 3 pick by ANYONE. Ingram was the only other player even in the conversation for the top pick.
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
Knicks win by 30 in Boston. Last time that happened may date back to 1970.
gruecd
Footballguy
Don't mistake the lack of star power (beyond Giannis, Midds, and Jrue) for a bad roster. Gonna be a fun game against Brooklyn tomorrow night.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
To me, Simmons is similar to Rudy Gobert. Great regular season players who are excellent at what they do. Their shortcomings also make it easier for opponents to scheme them out of a playoff series (or even crunch time).
Rondo was a player who for a long while had no confidence in his shot to the point he wouldn’t even drive to the basket looking for his own shot (or even free throws). Teams were able to overplay the other Celtics players on offense because of it. He put in a lot of work on his shot and is now a near average spot up shooter - in the playoffs at least.
I think a lot of the criticism of Simmons is that it doesn’t seem like there’s been much progression of his shooting so far, which will require lots of off-season work if he’s going to take a step to the top tier superstar level.
Rondo was a player who for a long while had no confidence in his shot to the point he wouldn’t even drive to the basket looking for his own shot (or even free throws). Teams were able to overplay the other Celtics players on offense because of it. He put in a lot of work on his shot and is now a near average spot up shooter - in the playoffs at least.
I think a lot of the criticism of Simmons is that it doesn’t seem like there’s been much progression of his shooting so far, which will require lots of off-season work if he’s going to take a step to the top tier superstar level.
Deamon
Footballguy
You don’t think Philly made Simmons available in an offer for Harden? Or what’s false? That the Nets’ 1sts aren’t likely to be late 1sts?
Deamon
Footballguy
Sure they might have made him available, but you're completely discounting all the other assets that they got from the trade.
Dante Exum
Rodions Kurucs
Victor Oladipo
Nets' picks in 2022, 2024 and 2026 (who knows how low the Nets picks are going to be in 4 and 6 years from now)
Cavaliers' pick in 2022 (This will not be a low pick)
Pick swaps with Nets in 2021, 2023, 2025 and 2027 (Again, Nets could have very high picks in 5 and 7 years from now)
EDT: This is potentially 5 top 10 picks. I can't see KD or Harden (let alone both) of them playing in Brooklyn in 4, 5, 6, and 7 years.
This wasn't remotely "Simmons or late picks" like you are suggesting.
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
How many 3’s per day did Simmons shoot in practice the past 18 months? Just curious.
Kind of proves the point though, no? That’s the type of haul that the James Hardens and Paul George’s command. That the Rockets preferred a half year look at Oladipo and a bunch of flier 1sts and 1st swaps is indeed telling about where Simmons falls on the franchise player spectrum. If he was one, the Rockets don’t pass on him for a bunch of maybe picks. No way.
Deamon
Footballguy
Disagree. I think 5 potential top 3 picks + Oladipo is more worthwhile than no picks and a great player on a big contract in his 5th year.
Especially for a team in a full rebuild.... they're a LOT more than just 1 piece away.
Oh man. Seriously?
Well then yeah, if that was even close to realistic you take the picks. Odds are HEAVILY stacked against landing even a single top 3 pick out of that bunch. But I guess we will see. Regardless, the conversation has digressed. Simmons isn’t the lead guard on a title team. At least not while he can’t hit a 15 footer.
Deamon
Footballguy
That's why I said "potential". There is a very good chance that all of those picks are lottery picks though. Houston with Simmons now is nothing.... it's today's NBA where you need multiple stars. Houston trading for Simmons and no picks makes no sense for them and their rebuild.Oh man. Seriously?
Well then yeah, if that was even close to realistic you take the picks. Odds are HEAVILY stacked against landing even a single top 3 pick out of that bunch. But I guess we will see. Regardless, the conversation has digressed. Simmons isn’t the lead guard on a title team. At least not while he can’t hit a 15 footer.
He is what he is... He's a top 30 player in the league. Could he be better? Yes. Do I want him to shoot more? Yes. But the negative view on him is incredibly exaggerated like many fans in this thread get off doing.
modogg
Footballguy
modogg
Footballguy
he shot a few times yesterday, 2 nice fade away shots from like 12 feet out.
But this Simmons talk is old, he is 24 years old and just off his rookie contract. Let's see where he ends up with a good year of coaching
modogg
Footballguy
4 bouces away from a probable championship due to Kawhi Leonard
. My guess is 28 other NBA team wish they could be close to situations like that
modogg
Footballguy
a lot. You see videos just hooting and hitting 3s from the corner and around the 3 point line.Alex P Keaton said:
That is why it can be so infuriating. As a fan of his, i am perfectly fine with him air balling some shots. First hurdle he has is to take some of those shots when he is open. He hits them in practice, so once he overcomes that mental hurdle he will start to make progress.
Very glad Doc brought in Sam Cassell to work directly with him, and we have a stronger coaching and front office staff. I am fine not worrying a ton about his last 3 seasons and seeing where he can go from here. if he makes 0 progress this year and going into next, then i am fine agreeing with 70% of his thread that Simmons is no good and should be gone. but let's give him a bit of time with a new focused coaching staff
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