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2020-21 NBA *Playoffs* Thread: Bucks are the champs and you can take that to the bank bromigos (6 Viewers)
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Deamon
Footballguy
You also say "etc" without listing..what else is he better at? If Middleton is an excellent defender, than Simmons is an elite defender.
And you mention far better in scoring and shooting, yet ignore assists and rebounds which ben is superior in. If you showed any unbiased person their two stat lines, Simmons would be superior. AND he's a better defender, AND he's on a better team.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
That’s just silly. And I’m new to basketball?
How about true shooting % or eFG, which factors in the fact that 3 pointers, you know, count more than two pointers. Middleton is higher in both.
Deamon
Footballguy
How is that silly? You want to count 3's missed and made in BOTH FG% and in 3P%?
But sure, I agree, eFG% is probably best for that. In that category, 58.3 to 57.4 for middleton. He gets a very small win there.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Sorry Ben’s burner, I figured it was best to not get into advanced stats any further (which was a good choice since 3pt Fg is part of Fg).
Better does not equal superior. A couple rebounds and a couple assists is much closer than 26% difference in 3pt Fg and a 23% difference in ft%.
Simmons is a great player, Middleton is the better all around player this season. Sorry to put you on the defensive.
Deamon
Footballguy
But sure, let's get into all your "etc etc"
Points: Middleton
Assists: Simmons
Rebounds: Simmons
Steals: Simmons
Blocks: Simmons
Turnovers: Middleton
eFG %: Middleton
FT%: Middleton
OWS: Middleton
DWS: Simmons
BPM: Simmons
VORP: Simmons
Plus he's a better defender and on a better team.
Deamon
Footballguy
Again, showing advanced stats above, Simmons has the edge. A couple Rebounds and a couple Assists per game is absolutely a big deal. Take away Ben's buzzer beater 3's and his % is just as good as Middletons. Comparing 3P% when it's not part of Ben's game is silly. I used your eFG% and they're almost the same (30th and 37th in the NBA), where as Ben's defensive advanced stats are far superior to Middletons. I know you get your jollies hating on Ben, but to say that Middleton's stats are "WAY" better than Ben's, to a point where it trumps team record and defensive ability, so much to the point you're "shocked" is just wild.
Deamon
Footballguy
Done as soon as I use your advanced stats to show Ben's numbers are better
Predictable.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
anybody wanna see my algorithm?
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
Link to what? You suggested that a couple more ppg, a better ft%, and a TINY bit better efg%, is superior than a few more apg, rpg, bpg, spg, on a better team, with better defensive skills. So much superior that you're 'shocked'.
They are not as close defensively as you're suggesting. In Defensive Box Score +/- (actually a really good judge of defensive impact on a game), Simmons is #2 in the NBA (only guard in the top 10), and Middleton is 92nd in the NBA.
Value over Replacement Player might be the best judge of how good a player is in the league. 20 of the top 22 players in this category made the ASG. In this category, Simmons is 21, Middleton is 24. In fact, not a SINGLE EAST ALL STAR finished outside the top 22 on this list... Middleton would have been the only one if he made it.
To say you're 'shocked" that the 21st beat out the 24th for a spot in the ASG is quite the exaggeration.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Now I’m going to start an argument with you about how no team under .500 should ever get two all stars.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
FairWarning
Footballguy
Sounds like the Cubs. It wasn't the 2-3 HOFers fault the rest of the team sucked.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
the Mavs game gave a perfect argument for those who think Stevens has lost it. when Boban was having his Linsanity-lite moment with the Sixers, the Celts came into town and rubbed the big fella off onto Kyrie, who'd promptly spin him into the ground, every time down the floor til Brown hadda take him out. tonite, he was allowed to clog the lane with impunity. wassupwiddat?!
SWC
Bromigo
in the 80s they would have clothesline murdered him with about two minutes gone in the second quarter take that to the bank brohan
modogg
Footballguy
this thread can descend into madness so quickly. similar to most NBA forums and conversations online, why do these occur? is it the individualistic aspect of the NBA, or something else? just saying i check football one's and hockey one's, and they really don't seem to get so nutty.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
I'm shocked anyone uses points, rebounds, assists, blocks and steals per game as primary metrics in the year 2021.
mr. furley
Footballguy
does Ben Simmons even get to sit on the bench in the last few minutes of games or do the Sixers want him in the locker room in case his allergy to offense leaks out on to the court?
Desert_Power
Footballguy
SWC
Bromigo
this thread gets ridiculous when people proclaim that lebron james who has won multiple titles and has basically carried teams to the finals for every year for about a decade would stink and spend most nights hiding in a corner if bill lambier was still playing i mean i dont even know how to describe that type of hot takery its just like the surface of the sun take that to the bank brohans
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
SWC
Bromigo
yes it is stop it its calculated separately but its also included in total field goal percentage take that to the bank bromigo
Deamon
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
Or ban those who are allergic to giving a 3 time All-Star any credit at all. Even when he succeeds or has good stats, it's either "ignore the sixers fan" or "gang up on the sixers fan"Only solution seems to be to ban Sixers fans
I get that modogg's anti-celtics shtick can get a little overdone, but most of us are just happy we are finally decent.
Deamon
Footballguy
nobody was talking about Simmons until you showed up yesterday and provoked a debate about him.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
People talk Simmons daily in here dude.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
mr. furley
Footballguy
all-star voting is 50% fan vote 
reddit could fire up a meme and create an all-12th man all-star game if they wanted
reddit could fire up a meme and create an all-12th man all-star game if they wanted
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
Obvious Pels homer here, but can you explain why it's so silly? I'm intrigued at why you think it's the silliest pick. Have you looked at Zion's numbers this season? And who he's put them up against?
SWC
Bromigo
ben simmons is a career 604 free throw shooter and that is an improvement from his rookie year of 560 so i guess i give him credit for working on it but he is still no connie hawkins take that to the bank bromigosFlopping and only hitting 70% from the line... thought we were done talking LeBron
Deamon
Footballguy
Yep. The funny thing is Ben did very poorly in the fan voting but very strong in the votes from the players.all-star voting is 50% fan vote
reddit could fire up a meme and create an all-12th man all-star game if they wanted
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I plan on owning the cybernetic implants, so I'll be getting roughly 50% of all Biff's revenues anyway. Let Otis have his crumbs.
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