wikkidpissah 18,151 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 minute ago, HellToupee said: I hope Hayward returns to full health . Always seemed like a good guy. besides getting with his old coach, Gordo didnt get what he wanted here. the Kyrie trade trumped his chance to be conquering hero (and Great White Hope?) here. then the injury, Irving flat-earthing his recovery process and the general grief of the same discord that chased Horford out of town, now Ainge's need to make every trade a hoodwink kept him from routing home. damn shame all around... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caustic 3,736 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Tim Reynolds @ByTimReynolds Jae Crowder to Phoenix: three years, almost $30 million, AP is told. 1:00 PM · Nov 21, 2020 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Long Ball Larry 14,288 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, modogg said: Woj is getting lazy with his tweets and trying to be the first to get the info out. Pretty sure when we see the details of the contract it won't be just a straight $30 million/year for 4 years Not lazy, helping the agents 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caustic 3,736 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, modogg said: Woj is getting lazy with his tweets and trying to be the first to get the info out. Pretty sure when we see the details of the contract it won't be just a straight $30 million/year for 4 years Seems like contracts have always been reported like this, in every sport. Agents give the eye-popping topline numbers to reporters first, then all the caveats come later. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe. 1,988 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Long Ball Larry said: Without looking, here are all the players I’m sure are on the thunder lu dort sga thats it As they as they've got Dort it's all gravy. Sad to see Adams go, he's such a character. Will be interesting to see if/how he plays with Zion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe. 1,988 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Not surprised at all at Jerami Grant getting 20 million per. He's worth it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe. 1,988 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Thunder might not win 20 games this year though... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wikkidpissah 18,151 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Moe. said: As they as they've got Dort it's all gravy. Sad to see Adams go, he's such a character. Will be interesting to see if/how he plays with Zion. was wondering where you were thru all this Bowling for Picks... Zion's gonna have to do some switching now - he's not gonna like that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe. 1,988 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 minute ago, wikkidpissah said: was wondering where you were thru all this Bowling for Picks... Zion's gonna have to do some switching now - he's not gonna like that. I really think the fact that fans in the seats are unlikely this year makes a hard tank much more palatable to the organization. They can't afford empty seats due to a bad team, but this year...who cares. I'm all for it. Let's get a top 3 pick next year. I think Oubre is really good and was kinda hoping they'd keep him, but they when you look at his age and how he lines up with SGA (22), Dort (21), and Bazley (20, and they love him) he's kinda too old, which sounds silly to say about a 24 year-old. Plus I think he just has the one year left anyhow. It'll be a slow-burn following the team the next few years, but those Rockets picks are starting to look more and more juicy by the day. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Craig_MiamiFL 2,483 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) Quote @wojespn Gordon Hayward's 4-year, $120M deal with Charlotte is essentially a 1 year $35 million deal with 3 team options, per source. This is fake news. Congrats again to Charlotte for winning the Hayward sweepstakes!!! Edited November 21, 2020 by Craig_MiamiFL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Craig_MiamiFL 2,483 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Moe. said: I think Oubre is really good and was kinda hoping they'd keep him, but they when you look at his age and how he lines up with SGA (22), Dort (21), and Bazley (20, and they love him) he's kinda too old, which sounds silly to say about a 24 year-old. Plus I think he just has the one year left anyhow. This. Oubre would have put up big #s in OKC. And would have gotten big money in FA next year. BUT I do think they could have gotten more than 2 2nds for him during the season. (I mean if you believe GS finishes 21-30 in standings......they'll get a 1st. I don't think there's a chance of that) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wikkidpissah 18,151 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Moe. said: I really think the fact that fans in the seats are unlikely this year makes a hard tank much more palatable to the organization. They can't afford empty seats due to a bad team, but this year...who cares. I'm all for it. Let's get a top 3 pick next year. I think Oubre is really good and was kinda hoping they'd keep him, but they when you look at his age and how he lines up with SGA (22), Dort (21), and Bazley (20, and they love him) he's kinda too old, which sounds silly to say about a 24 year-old. Plus I think he just has the one year left anyhow. It'll be a slow-burn following the team the next few years, but those Rockets picks are starting to look more and more juicy by the day. look fwd to SGA & Baze getting a yr to work on their 2-man game and i hear the next 2-3 draft classes are top drawer (and i was the 1st kid on my fantasy block to speculate on Dort), but the last decade as a Celts fan has cured me of being excited by multitudes of pix. GL- Quote Link to post Share on other sites
modogg 4,701 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Wow, just thinking of the absolute robbery Celtics' had from the Nets, and when it is all said and done this is their roster: Keith Smith @KeithSmithNBA Celtics current depth chart: PG - K. Walker, P. Pritchard, T. Waters SG - M. Smart, R. Langford, C. Edwards SF - J. Brown, A. Nesmith, J. Green PF - J. Tatum, G. Williams, S. Ojeleye C - D. Theis, R. Williams, T. Fall 2 open roster spots. $9.3M MLE, $3.6M BAE. Maybe the real winner out of all of this is Ainge for convincing the entire Boston market that he is some Master GM when this is the product he puts together after using all of those hoarded resources he acquired 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Craig_MiamiFL 2,483 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 53 minutes ago, Craig_MiamiFL said: Batum will be was a great mentor for him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe. 1,988 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, modogg said: Wow, just thinking of the absolute robbery Celtics' had from the Nets, and when it is all said and done this is their roster: Keith Smith @KeithSmithNBA Celtics current depth chart: PG - K. Walker, P. Pritchard, T. Waters SG - M. Smart, R. Langford, C. Edwards SF - J. Brown, A. Nesmith, J. Green PF - J. Tatum, G. Williams, S. Ojeleye C - D. Theis, R. Williams, T. Fall 2 open roster spots. $9.3M MLE, $3.6M BAE. Maybe the real winner out of all of this is Ainge for convincing the entire Boston market that he is some Master GM when this is the product he puts together after using all of those hoarded resources he acquired You'd trade Philly's roster for that in a heartbeat... 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Craig_MiamiFL 2,483 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Quote @KeithSmithNBA ·In a sense, if the Hornets are waiving and stretching Nic Batum, they are spending an average of $39M a year for the next three years for Hayward. Hayward = $30M Batum = $9M in dead money Gift that keep on giving. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
modogg 4,701 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Moe. said: You'd trade Philly's roster for that in a heartbeat... lol, no way. Why would you want that roster? All the chips are pushed in with the hope that Brown and Tatum keep excelling exponentially every year. Maybe they do, and congrats to them if they significantly improve every single year. If they don't, well then this team is mediocre at best. Depth has a lot to be desired too. Brad Stevens certainly has his work cut out for him Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe. 1,988 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Just now, modogg said: lol, no way. Why would you want that roster? All the chips are pushed in with the hope that Brown and Tatum keep excelling exponentially every year. Maybe they do, and congrats to them if they significantly improve every single year. If they don't, well then this team is mediocre at best. Depth has a lot to be desired too. Brad Stevens certainly has his work cut out for him I'm pretty big on Tatum and see him as a future MVP. But mostly I'm just busting your balls. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Craig_MiamiFL 2,483 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) Celtics fans will criticize Ainge for not getting something done with Hayward......but in this situation it was out of his hands. He didn't have the ability to deal Hayward in season (contract) that he did (and should have IMO) with Kyrie. There's no inclinations Indy was going to spend anywhere near what Charlotte did. (And that's disregarding what Knicks/Hawks may have offered) Hayward had a decent bounce back year (from arguably being the worst starter in the NBA) but it's a massive massive overpay with major injury problems/staying on the court, paying into his mid 30s for a complimentary player at this stage. ------------------- Not dealing Kyrie was a horrific blunder by Ainge. The Celtics were undeniably a better team WITHOUT Kyrie in 18-19, was a cancer in the lockeroom and he didn't want to be there. Remember commenting in the old thread around the All Star game, how on earth does Ainge not deal Kyrie? It was a no brainer. Edited November 21, 2020 by Craig_MiamiFL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
modogg 4,701 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Moe. said: I'm pretty big on Tatum and see him as a future MVP. But mostly I'm just busting your balls. Maybe, he has certainly done better then most expected. I would take Simmons over Tatum though. Certainly a lot of homerism built into that, but let's see how Ben looks this year with a different coach. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe. 1,988 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, modogg said: Maybe, he has certainly done better then most expected. I would take Simmons over Tatum though. Certainly a lot of homerism built into that, but let's see how Ben looks this year with a different coach. Would love to see Simmons used properly somewhere. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Desert_Power 516 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Craig_MiamiFL said: Gift that keep on giving. Brutal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
modogg 4,701 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Just now, Moe. said: Would love to see Simmons used properly somewhere. I think Morey will help that to happen. Has made such huge strides already, it is hard to even articulate. Still don't know how he unloaded that Al Horford contract for a '25 1st and one of the 5 2nd rounders Philly had. It does look like Morey and Doc have built the team up enough to kind of eliminate excuses for Ben and Joel. No reason they both shouldn't excel this year, so we can maybe get a real assessment of the value of these guys Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capella 29,581 Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, modogg said: I would take Simmons over Tatum though ABSOLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTELY NOT come on man foh with that. 2 1 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capella 29,581 Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Desert_Power said: Brutal Michael Jordan is the Michael Jordan of terrible owners. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Balco 285 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, modogg said: Maybe, he has certainly done better then most expected. I would take Simmons over Tatum though. Certainly a lot of homerism built into that, but let's see how Ben looks this year with a different coach. Definitely homerism - don’t think many would take Simmons over Tatum, not in today’s NBA. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Desert_Power 516 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Desert_Power said: I still remember seeing the "Welcome Gordon Hayward" on the big screen outside the arena when he was visiting for that. Link Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Craig_MiamiFL 2,483 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) Quote Jeff Green has reportedly agreed to a deal with the Nets. Green will bring some depth to the forward spots in Brooklyn, but he's well past his days of being a relevant name in fantasy hoops SOURCE: Shams Charania on Twitter Edited November 21, 2020 by Craig_MiamiFL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gr00vus 11,826 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Craig_MiamiFL said: Jeff Green has reportedly agreed to a deal with the Nets. Green will bring some depth to the forward spots in Brooklyn, but he's well past his days of being a relevant name in fantasy hoops SOURCE: Shams Charania on Twitter Had no idea that guy was still in the league. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Desert_Power 516 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, Capella said: Michael Jordan is the Michael Jordan of terrible owners. Word is that he called Gordon last night to try and seal the deal. MJ just will not tank. Charlotte got really lucky with the ping pong balls to get such a high pick and he's already ready to go all in. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe. 1,988 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 One of the most reliable things in modern life is @scoobus liking a post that has anything to do with a Syracuse alum. I love it. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Long Ball Larry 14,288 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gr00vus said: Had no idea that guy was still in the league. He actually gave the rockets some credible minutes in the bubble this year, amazingly enough 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wikkidpissah 18,151 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 18 minutes ago, Balco said: Definitely homerism - don’t think many would take Simmons over Tatum, not in today’s NBA. i would, too - but we have a coach Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoobus 1,162 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 4 hours ago, Long Ball Larry said: Without looking, here are all the players I’m sure are on the thunder lu dort sga thats it Nick Collison? 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wikkidpissah 18,151 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, Desert_Power said: Link they wont do that now, cuz the weight of his product would crash the sign Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoobus 1,162 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 hour ago, caustic said: Celtics should’ve taken Turner & Mcdermott. Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn Free agent Gordon Hayward is signing a 4-year, $120M deal with Charlotte, per source. 12:28 PM · Nov 21, 2020 Wooooooooooooof Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoobus 1,162 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 30 minutes ago, modogg said: Maybe, he has certainly done better then most expected. I would take Simmons over Tatum though. Certainly a lot of homerism built into that, but let's see how Ben looks this year with a different coach. This the year he attempts 3s? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Long Ball Larry 14,288 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Just now, scoobus said: Nick Collison? Carmelo? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon 5,333 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 minute ago, scoobus said: This the year he attempts 3s? Doesn't need to with the shooters we just brought in. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Craig_MiamiFL 2,483 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Rondo announces won't be returning to Lakers. Hawks reportedly frontrunner with Clippers also possibility. Let's hope for the Clippers. NBA isn't the same without playoff Rondo. Championship Rondo. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
modogg 4,701 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, scoobus said: This the year he attempts 3s? has led the league in assists on 3 pointers for 2 or 3 years. He doesn't have to do everything, if he gives you all-NBA defense, and leads the league in assists like that. it is funny how people look at Ben and all they can think of is that he doesn't shoot 3's. Guy is pretty exceptional in everything else. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Desert_Power 516 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said: they wont do that now, cuz the weight of his product would crash the sign I just hope the contract has a clause that he has to make cocktails at the arena while he is out with injury. That may get me to go to more games. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bears_Man2 25 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, modogg said: Guy is pretty exceptional in everything else. FT shooting? 🤔 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Yo Mama 3,581 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, Craig_MiamiFL said: Rondo announces won't be returning to Lakers. Hawks reportedly frontrunner with Clippers also possibility. Let's hope for the Clippers. NBA isn't the same without playoff Rondo. Championship Rondo. I think Atlanta has a decent shot at making the playoffs in the east this year. Now championship rondo is a stretch for either hawks or clips. 😄 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Desert_Power 516 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Field Yates @FieldYates 1h The last four major contracts Mitch Kupchak has signed in free agency: * Gordon Hayward: four-years, $120M * Terry Rozier: three-years, $56.7M * Timofey Mozgov: four-years, $64M * Luol Deng: four-years, $72M 1 3 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wikkidpissah 18,151 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Yo Mama said: I think Atlanta has a decent shot at making the playoffs in the east this year. Now championship rondo is a stretch for either hawks or clips. 😄 dunno if Hawks will sign him now after Dunn, but any Eastern team looking to sneak thru a playoff round knows that Rondo will beat you the Celts single-handed 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Craig_MiamiFL 2,483 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Desert_Power said: Field Yates @FieldYates 1h The last four major contracts Mitch Kupchak has signed in free agency: * Gordon Hayward: four-years, $120M * Terry Rozier: three-years, $56.7M * Timofey Mozgov: four-years, $64M * Luol Deng: four-years, $72M "See our Hayward/Rozier signings aren't so bad afterall!!!!" /Charlotte homers Is there actually really such a thing as Charlotte Hornet homers? Or everyone there just watch college basketball instead? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Craig_MiamiFL 2,483 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) Would actually be a really good signing to play some minutes at the 5. Still a quality low post defender. God knows they need something of resistance to BAM in the East. Had the Celtics signing him before free agency. Obvious caveat he comes at a reasonable price. Didn't think he should have been getting as many minutes in Denver as he did because 1) They've got Jokic at the 5, 2) He's not as good as either of Grant or Porter (whose best spot is the 4) at this stage, 3) He's a 5 at this stage of his career. Quote The Celtics have "strong interest" in free agent Paul Millsap, according to The Athletic's Jared Weiss. Millsap started 48 of the 51 games he played for Denver last year, averaging 11.6 points, 5.7 boards, 1.6 assists and 0.9 steals. One intriguing wrinkle is that he shot 43.5% from deep (2.4 attempts per game), but even if that keeps up he's a dubious fantasy option. Expect him to be a popular target for teams with championship aspirations who want quality veteran depth at a discount. Edited November 21, 2020 by Craig_MiamiFL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Desert_Power 516 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, Craig_MiamiFL said: "See our Hayward/Rozier signings aren't so bad afterall!!!!" /Charlotte homers Is there actually really such a thing as Charlotte Hornet homers? Or everyone there just watch college basketball instead? It's still football season here. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
modogg 4,701 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Craig_MiamiFL said: Celtics fans will criticize Ainge for not getting something done with Hayward......but in this situation it was out of his hands. He didn't have the ability to deal Hayward in season (contract) that he did (and should have IMO) with Kyrie. There's no inclinations Indy was going to spend anywhere near what Charlotte did. (And that's disregarding what Knicks/Hawks may have offered) Hayward had a decent bounce back year (from arguably being the worst starter in the NBA) but it's a massive massive overpay with major injury problems/staying on the court, paying into his mid 30s for a complimentary player at this stage. ------------------- Not dealing Kyrie was a horrific blunder by Ainge. The Celtics were undeniably a better team WITHOUT Kyrie in 18-19, was a cancer in the lockeroom and he didn't want to be there. Remember commenting in the old thread around the All Star game, how on earth does Ainge not deal Kyrie? It was a no brainer. disagree a little bit. Ainge should have known what Heyward was thinking, and if Heyward was looking to go he should have tried to trade him to get something for him. I think he would be better viewed if they didn't always throw up these smoke and mirrors how they almost get everybody. Real good at deflecting responsibility Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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