2020-21 NBA Thread: Overweight, bearded millennial looks for a fresh start in Brooklyn

[thecatch 2,211]

17 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said:

Do Kings match on Bogdanovic? Decision due by tonight.  I think they should in order to keep the asset even if they need to shed some salary in the coming years.

I think they have to unload either him or Hield.  If they match, they apparently can’t deal BB for a year without his consent. Apparently Hield has zero trade market, which mildly surprises me.  To the extent BB is an asset on his offer sheet (and if Hield is toxic on his deal, I’m not sure BB is valuable on this one), I doubt he will be a year from now after jousting with Hield and Halliburton for time on a team that is basically tanking. So, though I think BB>Hield, I think I probably let him walk. 

[Long Ball Larry 14,280]

3 hours ago, wikkidpissah said:

Maybe he likes the idea of Zion having to switch all the time. Plus, SA will help him with the Sheilas

I suppose there is a certain logic to that because while it would be ideal for Zion to play center, who knows if and when he could actually handle that defensively.  But it seems to me like they will kind of get into a similar paradigm as the sixers where the spacing gets too clogged up.  I guess if Ingram and ball can maintain their shooting progress, they have a chance, but still seems risky and not worth paying that much money

[Yo Mama 3,489]

Looks like both Bam and Ingram signed their max extensions. Great news for both of them. 

[Sammy3469 10,246]

2 hours ago, Long Ball Larry said:

I suppose there is a certain logic to that because while it would be ideal for Zion to play center, who knows if and when he could actually handle that defensively.  But it seems to me like they will kind of get into a similar paradigm as the sixers where the spacing gets too clogged up.  I guess if Ingram and ball can maintain their shooting progress, they have a chance, but still seems risky and not worth paying that much money

I mean 17 million is about what the 13-15th best C should be making (it puts him right at the 13-15 in the C's paid rankings).  Whether he's what you want next to Zion is another argument (fwiw, I think they do need a tough guy in the middle), but I do think Adams's contract is movable, if needed.  

[Kev4029 1,207]

1 hour ago, Sammy3469 said:

I mean 17 million is about what the 13-15th best C should be making (it puts him right at the 13-15 in the C's paid rankings).  Whether he's what you want next to Zion is another argument (fwiw, I think they do need a tough guy in the middle), but I do think Adams's contract is movable, if needed.  

Almost every center making more than about $5 is overpaid other than the top 6-8 because the production in the next 30-40 is so similar.

[Craig_MiamiFL 2,472]

Kings declined to match Hawks offer on Bogdan. 

Hawks looking real nice and deep right now. Also have a bunch of tradeable assets. It'll be interesting how and if Hunter/Reddish fit in here. Both had some real nice moments as rookies.

Edited November 25, 2020 by Craig_MiamiFL

[Desert_Power 458]

1 hour ago, Kev4029 said:

Almost every center making more than about $5 is overpaid other than the top 6-8 because the production in the next 30-40 is so similar.

Pretty much until the later playoffs come around.

[modogg 4,681]

Vincent Poirer now with the Sixers? weird:

https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/k0ggu0/more_proof_that_vincent_poirier_got_traded_to_the/

[Sammy3469 10,246]

13 hours ago, Kev4029 said:

Almost every center making more than about $5 is overpaid other than the top 6-8 because the production in the next 30-40 is so similar.

I think that was true 2-3 years ago, but isn't anymore.  Replacement level C that championship contenders feel OK about using in the conference semi's and beyond are worth at least the MLE these days (having to guard Embiid, Jokic, Davis, Bam, etc.) isn't something most $5 million dollar, non rookie deal, non sweetheart veterans (Marc says :hi:) can handle these days.  Is Adams worth the contract he was on, obviously no.  Is he worth 17 million for his age 29 and 30 seasons as the veteran on a young team and anchor of the defense when you already have two 25+ ppg scorers on the team, yes.   

[Leeroy Jenkins 2,748]

9 hours ago, modogg said:

Vincent Poirer now with the Sixers? weird:

https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/k0ggu0/more_proof_that_vincent_poirier_got_traded_to_the/

Is he a backup stretch 4?  Because they need that and maybe a pg still (reggie jackson?). 

[Tom Hagen 1,577]

9 hours ago, modogg said:

Vincent Poirer now with the Sixers? weird:

https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/k0ggu0/more_proof_that_vincent_poirier_got_traded_to_the/

Is the Horford trade official yet or is it still pending the Lakers-OKC trade?  Poirer needs a better agent that has Woj's cell.

[trader jake 1,379]

2 minutes ago, Tom Hagen said:

Is the Horford trade official yet or is it still pending the Lakers-OKC trade?  Poirer needs a better agent that has Woj's cell.

As a Bucks fan, I can tell you an agent with Woj's cell phone number is not always a good thing. 😡

[jvdesigns2002 3,136]

12 hours ago, Desert_Power said:

Pretty much until the later playoffs come around.

Yup.  Not having a decent center at least on the defensive end can very easily separate a really good team from being a contender.  Look at the clippers vs the Nuggets--montrezl was eaten up by Jokic.  Look at Milwaukee or the Celtics against Bam and Miami.   I hate to say it-but imo--the situation in Houston might have been a lot different if Capela stayed healthy last year and they kept him. I actually worry that the Lakers losing Howard and McGee and replacing them with Harrell and Gasol hurts them a lot on the defensive end.  

[Boston 2,985]

22 minutes ago, jvdesigns2002 said:

Yup.  Not having a decent center at least on the defensive end can very easily separate a really good team from being a contender.  Look at the clippers vs the Nuggets--montrezl was eaten up by Jokic.  Look at Milwaukee or the Celtics against Bam and Miami.   I hate to say it-but imo--the situation in Houston might have been a lot different if Capela stayed healthy last year and they kept him. I actually worry that the Lakers losing Howard and McGee and replacing them with Harrell and Gasol hurts them a lot on the defensive end.  

Could not agree with this more (as well as Sammy's post)...it's great to have a legit Center that can hit a 3 but they are difficult to find and if they can't play D he will eventually cost you...the Celts had no answers for Bam last year which is why the Thompson signing was so important...they now have a legit big body that can bang because as you guys point out come playoff time when so much is about specific matchups it becomes very important.

Edited November 25, 2020 by Boston

[Long Ball Larry 14,280]

Number 1 draft prospect cade Cunningham on ESPN2 today at 4:00

[wikkidpissah 18,084]

1 hour ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Is he a backup stretch 4?  Because they need that and maybe a pg still (reggie jackson?). 

he's horrible. does things once in a while that make one wonder, but he gets rubbed off onto a guard who will own him every possession. Boban without the drool & authority. 

[Long Ball Larry 14,280]

19 hours ago, Yo Mama said:

Looks like both Bam and Ingram signed their max extensions. Great news for both of them. 

if miami wanted to sign Giannis next year, it would have been a lot easier to wait to sign bam next year and keep the space.

bam and giannis have the same agent.

so .... happy days for the Bangos?

[Kev4029 1,207]

6 hours ago, Sammy3469 said:

I think that was true 2-3 years ago, but isn't anymore.  Replacement level C that championship contenders feel OK about using in the conference semi's and beyond are worth at least the MLE these days (having to guard Embiid, Jokic, Davis, Bam, etc.) isn't something most $5 million dollar, non rookie deal, non sweetheart veterans (Marc says :hi:) can handle these days.  Is Adams worth the contract he was on, obviously no.  Is he worth 17 million for his age 29 and 30 seasons as the veteran on a young team and anchor of the defense when you already have two 25+ ppg scorers on the team, yes.   

I think it is more true then ever. How much better is Adams then, say, Dwight Howard or Hassan Whiteside (in addition to the previously mentioned Gasol)? Adams is a good player, but I think that list of centers show exactly why he isn't worth the money - he doesn't have the perimeter skills defensively to keep up with those guys and doesn't have the offensive skills to make small ball teams worry playing a PF at C. OKC was +1 with Adams on the bench these playoffs, -50 with him in the game.

[wikkidpissah 18,084]

2 hours ago, Kev4029 said:

I think it is more true then ever. How much better is Adams then, say, Dwight Howard or Hassan Whiteside (in addition to the previously mentioned Gasol)? Adams is a good player, but I think that list of centers show exactly why he isn't worth the money - he doesn't have the perimeter skills defensively to keep up with those guys and doesn't have the offensive skills to make small ball teams worry playing a PF at C. OKC was +1 with Adams on the bench these playoffs, -50 with him in the game.

it's like running backs - the best thing in football is having a budget bellcow; the worst thing is a tie between having an overpaid bellcow who dont care no mo and not having one at all 

[thecatch 2,211]

I’ve been hating on Whiteside since long before it was cool, but he just signed a *minimum* deal with the Kings. Goes to the point that you can and should get serviceable traditional big man services cheaply. 

[wikkidpissah 18,084]

Just now, thecatch said:

I’ve been hating on Whiteside since long before it was cool, but he just signed a *minimum* deal with the Kings. Goes to the point that you can and should get serviceable traditional big man services cheaply. 

if the Hornets cared a whit about mattering they shoulda did this five days ago

[modogg 4,681]

1 minute ago, wikkidpissah said:

if the Hornets cared a whit about mattering they shoulda did this five days ago

i'm kind of surprised all of those other enters moved before Whiteside, especially considering he is likely going for the minimum. Certainly would have thought he would bring more value then a guy like Okafor

[Desert_Power 458]

Semi-relevant to this convo, but this Kenyon Martin article is hilarious

[Desert_Power 458]

24 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said:

if the Hornets cared a whit about mattering they shoulda did this five days ago

MJ loves Biyombo for some reason

[Anarchy99 6,133]

Boston said to be configuring a sign and trade for Hayward. Hornets would get Hayward and picks. Third team needed to take on Batum contract. Celtics would get a $30 million trade exception. 

[modogg 4,681]

kind of crazy looking at some of these names left still. I remember when Mudiay got drafted a lot of people thought he would be the top PG coming out that year. loking at that 2015 draft class it shows how much of a crap shoot the draft can be (https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2015.html)

from Bobby Marks:

Free agents still available

1. Reggie Jackson
2. Shabazz Napier
3. Chris Chiozza
4. Tyler Johnson
5. Evan Turner
6. Gary Payton II
7. Yogi Ferrell
8. Emmanuel Mudiay
9. J.J. Barea
10. Brandon Knight
11. Shaquille Harrison
12. Courtney Lee
13. Jordan McRae
14. Dion Waiters
15. Troy Daniels
16. Jamal Crawford
17. Marco Belinelli
18. Glenn Robinson
19. Kyle Korver
20. Thabo Sefolosha
21. Alize Johnson
22. Malcolm Miller
23. Treveon Graham
24. Andre Roberson
25. Ersan Ilyasova
26. Frank Kaminsky
27. Taj Gibson
28. Rondae Hollis-Jefferson

[modogg 4,681]

16 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Boston said to be configuring a sign and trade for Hayward. Hornets would get Hayward and picks. Third team needed to take on Batum contract. Celtics would get a $30 million trade exception. 

when is the deadline for this? i heard it was tonight? funny how this has been the report when they extended Heyward's deadline by 2 days since last Tuesday and there is a whole lot of nothing

[Yo Mama 3,489]

18 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Boston said to be configuring a sign and trade for Hayward. Hornets would get Hayward and picks. Third team needed to take on Batum contract. Celtics would get a $30 million trade exception. 

Who’s going to be able to (let alone want) to take on Batum’s contract?

 

if anyone wanted him, they could just wait until he’s waived and get him for the minimum. 
 

I’m guessing this is just Ainge trying to show everyone how hard he tried to get something for Heyward. 

Edited November 25, 2020 by Yo Mama

[Long Ball Larry 14,280]

8 minutes ago, Yo Mama said:

Who’s going to be able to (let alone want) to take on Batum’s contract?

 

if anyone wanted him, they could just wait until he’s waived and get him for the minimum. 
 

I’m guessing this is just Ainge trying to show everyone how hard he tried to get something for Heyward. 

I think that the knicks could still technically do it

[Yo Mama 3,489]

2 minutes ago, Long Ball Larry said:

I think that the knicks could still technically do it

I’d make Ainge attach a decent 1st rounder to take on Batum. 

[wikkidpissah 18,084]

13 minutes ago, Yo Mama said:

Who’s going to be able to (let alone want) to take on Batum’s contract?

 

if anyone wanted him, they could just wait until he’s waived and get him for the minimum. 
 

I’m guessing this is just Ainge trying to show everyone how hard he tried to get something for Heyward. 

i could have relations with the entire Maxim list if i could just get them to take my Batum...

[Anarchy99 6,133]

2 minutes ago, Yo Mama said:

I’d make Ainge attach a decent 1st rounder to take on Batum. 

Yes. Boston would send picks to the parties involved so Boston can pursue another player with a $30 million contract. 

[strykerpks 3,963]

8 hours ago, Long Ball Larry said:

if miami wanted to sign Giannis next year, it would have been a lot easier to wait to sign bam next year and keep the space.

bam and giannis have the same agent.

so .... happy days for the Bangos?

Bucks radio PxP guy (Ted Davis who's pretty well connected within the organization) said on his local show today that he expects it to be done this weekend or next at the latest and that the Bam signing was essentially the final signal. Unless something crazy stupid happens, once he gets back from Greece it's likely a done deal.

After the Bogdan fiasco, I'll believe it once pen hits paper

[flranger 764]

5 hours ago, modogg said:

i'm kind of surprised all of those other enters moved before Whiteside, especially considering he is likely going for the minimum. Certainly would have thought he would bring more value then a guy like Okafor

Whiteside, like Cousins and others are learning if you aren't crazy elite you can't be a jerk and get paid

[Desert_Power 458]

On 11/25/2020 at 6:51 PM, modogg said:

kind of crazy looking at some of these names left still. I remember when Mudiay got drafted a lot of people thought he would be the top PG coming out that year. loking at that 2015 draft class it shows how much of a crap shoot the draft can be (https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2015.html)

from Bobby Marks:

Free agents still available

1. Reggie Jackson
2. Shabazz Napier
3. Chris Chiozza
4. Tyler Johnson
5. Evan Turner
6. Gary Payton II
7. Yogi Ferrell
8. Emmanuel Mudiay
9. J.J. Barea
10. Brandon Knight
11. Shaquille Harrison
12. Courtney Lee
13. Jordan McRae
14. Dion Waiters
15. Troy Daniels
16. Jamal Crawford
17. Marco Belinelli
18. Glenn Robinson
19. Kyle Korver
20. Thabo Sefolosha
21. Alize Johnson
22. Malcolm Miller
23. Treveon Graham
24. Andre Roberson
25. Ersan Ilyasova
26. Frank Kaminsky
27. Taj Gibson
28. Rondae Hollis-Jefferson

Another 2015 alum Kaminsky finds a home in Sacramento tonight. I hated that pick so much for Charlotte (though I wanted Winslow so can't win them all).

[Desert_Power 458]

$120 million contract and this is how your thanksgiving goes?

[Gr00vus 11,814]

Lakers sign Antetokounmpo.

[Craig_MiamiFL 2,472]

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@ShamsCharania

Boston has signed and traded Gordon Hayward and two future second-round picks to Charlotte for a conditional future second-round pick. Celtics also receive a trade exception.

 

Surprised Boston was able to get that huge trade exception w/o having to give a first. But then again, they're dealing with Charlotte.

Edited November 29, 2020 by Craig_MiamiFL

[Craig_MiamiFL 2,472]

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@BobbyMarks42

The $27.9M trade exception that Boston has created is the largest in league history.

 

 

[Craig_MiamiFL 2,472]

And Charlotte is in fact waiving Batum. So Hayward will be in essence nearly $40 mil/yr player for them. Woof.

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@ShamsCharania

The Charlotte Hornets are waiving forward Nicolas Batum, sources tell

@TheAthleticNBA @Stadium

 

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[Desert_Power 458]

34 minutes ago, Craig_MiamiFL said:

Surprised Boston was able to get that huge trade exception w/o having to give a first. But then again, they're dealing with Charlotte.

what the heck is this.

[Bears_Man2 23]

17 minutes ago, Craig_MiamiFL said:

And Charlotte is in fact waiving Batum. So Hayward will be in essence nearly $40 mil/yr player for them. Woof.

.

 Batum 

The gift that will keep on giving for the next 3 seasons. 

[Bears_Man2 23]

33 minutes ago, Craig_MiamiFL said:

@BobbyMarks42

The $27.9M trade exception that Boston has created is the largest in league history.

[RUSF18 3,812]

I was looking at the top salaries on the books for next season and was shocked at how many players earn more than that number.

[mr. furley 12,221]

38 minutes ago, RUSF18 said:

I was looking at the top salaries on the books for next season and was shocked at how many players earn more than that number.

pfft, have half a good season and someone is throwing a max contract at you

[Long Ball Larry 14,280]

3 hours ago, Craig_MiamiFL said:

 

Well they just barely beat what okc got last week from the horford deal

[Long Ball Larry 14,280]

6 minutes ago, mr. furley said:

pfft, have half a good season and someone is throwing a max contract at you

Like who?

[Long Ball Larry 14,280]

46 minutes ago, RUSF18 said:

I was looking at the top salaries on the books for next season and was shocked at how many players earn more than that number.

A max rookie extension, a max offer for rfa, and of course a max for vets are all above that now, so probably like 30 or 40 players, I would guess

[mr. furley 12,221]

28 minutes ago, Long Ball Larry said:

Like who?

Gord just got himself a 120 million dollar contract. maybe that's not "max" money, but that's pretty ridiculous.

maybe this isn't the thread for not being serious.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

eta: i forget if it was Russillo or Simmons who said Morey once told them that there are always 7-8 bad GM's in the league so he never had to worry about finding a trade partner, or way to move a bad contract because one of those guys would do something dumb. 

Edited November 30, 2020 by mr. furley

[Bears_Man2 23]

4 hours ago, Craig_MiamiFL said:

Surprised Boston was able to get that huge trade exception w/o having to give a first. But then again, they're dealing with Charlotte.

Love what Boston's done this offseason addressing their needs. They got their bruiser in the middle in Thompson to add a completely different element to their existing centers. The element that got exposed inside by Miami.  They got the draft's premier shooter in Nesmith. They got this huge trade exception to address any need that come about. Added to a team that made the conference finals w/o Hayward. 

Toronto downgraded losing both Ibaka & Gasol. Someone in Milwaukee's gonna have to emerge in playoffs beside Giannis for them to take next step. Miami remains intact. Brooklyn looks decent on paper but if Durant's not near 100%, they're not going anywhere. ATL looks like a team on the rise but likely years away. Indiana could be a threat if all healthy. There's no other competition in the East.

Edited November 30, 2020 by Bears_Man2