Long Ball Larry 14,280 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 23 minutes ago, mr. furley said: Gord just got himself a 120 million dollar contract. maybe that's not "max" money, but that's pretty ridiculous. maybe this isn't the thread for not being serious. eta: i forget if it was Russillo or Simmons who said Morey once told them that there are always 7-8 bad GM's in the league so he never had to worry about finding a trade partner, or way to move a bad contract because one of those guys would do something dumb. Yeah but Hayward’s contract wasn’t about him suddenly having a big year and then getting paid off of that. There are certainly dumb gms like kupchak, but I think that nowadays it has a lot less to do with getting paid off of being a flash in the pan. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bluesbomber 70 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Lavine, White, Markannen, Porter, Carter. Dotson backup point guard, Gafford backup 4-5, The rest playing for their NBA lives...Billy D upgrade should be immeaasurable. Defense at the guard position glaring weakness but cheapest fix IMO. cue Alan Parsons Project... sleeper pick... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Navin Johnson 345 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 14 hours ago, Craig_MiamiFL said: Surprised Boston was able to get that huge trade exception w/o having to give a first. But then again, they're dealing with Charlotte. What's the downside for Charlotte here? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leeroy Jenkins 2,748 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Can someone explain how the trade exceptions work again? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flranger 764 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said: Can someone explain how the trade exceptions work again? Good article on process here, although it was discussing Warriors Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sammy3469 10,246 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Just now, Leeroy Jenkins said: Can someone explain how the trade exceptions work again? Basically they can trade for anyone up to the trade exception amount and just absorb the contract (ie it makes the salary cap 120% matching irrelevant). The nub is it can't be combined with outgoing salary to gross up (i.e. get someone making more than what the exception is worth). It looks like Beal makes too much, but someone like Aldridge or DeRozan, etc.. They also have to stay under the 138 million dollar apron since they used the MLE which means they have roughly 20 million to use of it without sending out additional salary. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wikkidpissah 18,084 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 45 minutes ago, Sammy3469 said: Basically they can trade for anyone up to the trade exception amount and just absorb the contract (ie it makes the salary cap 120% matching irrelevant). The nub is it can't be combined with outgoing salary to gross up (i.e. get someone making more than what the exception is worth). It looks like Beal makes too much, but someone like Aldridge or DeRozan, etc.. They also have to stay under the 138 million dollar apron since they used the MLE which means they have roughly 20 million to use of it without sending out additional salary. i've also heard that, since it's good for a calendar year, that they can use it to "create" capspace to sign a free agent next offseason. correct? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juxtatarot 11,180 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 What players in recent years have been acquired with a trade exception? It seems like fans always talk about how valuable they are but I don't think they are used very much in practice. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sammy3469 10,246 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 25 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said: What players in recent years have been acquired with a trade exception? It seems like fans always talk about how valuable they are but I don't think they are used very much in practice. Oubre by GS and OKC used some of theirs in the various trades this offseason. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sammy3469 10,246 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 38 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said: i've also heard that, since it's good for a calendar year, that they can use it to "create" capspace to sign a free agent next offseason. correct? They'd have to have to do a sign and trade, but yes since it lasts until some point into next offseason they could do that. With Tatum's extension, they'd have to either use that and go over the apron or the MLE. To add anyone of any significance next offseason, they basically have to get off of Smart or Thompson and/or decline some of G Williams/R Williams/Langford. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Navin Johnson 345 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) ... Edited November 30, 2020 by Navin Johnson Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wikkidpissah 18,084 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Sammy3469 said: OKC used some of theirs in the various trades this offseason. the cool thing is, if Traitor Danny doesnt have a blockbuster (Gobert?) in mind or the exception isnt all eaten up by having to replace Kemba (considering the Green's post-Leprechaun karma, a possibility), it can be used piecemeal if the Cs need patches. it's just nice, in the present construct, to be over the cap and still able to shop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Navin Johnson 345 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, wikkidpissah said: the cool thing is, if Traitor Danny doesnt have a blockbuster (Gobert?) in mind or the exception isnt all eaten up by having to replace Kemba (considering the Green's post-Leprechaun karma, a possibility), it can be used piecemeal if the Cs need patches. it's just nice, in the present construct, to be over the cap and still able to shop. I think it's a one time deal. They have to blow it in one shot. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mr. furley 12,221 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 7 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins said: Can someone explain how the trade exceptions work again? this has always lost me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Long Ball Larry 14,280 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 7 hours ago, Juxtatarot said: What players in recent years have been acquired with a trade exception? It seems like fans always talk about how valuable they are but I don't think they are used very much in practice. Kelly oubre, right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Long Ball Larry 14,280 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 7 hours ago, Sammy3469 said: Oubre by GS and OKC used some of theirs in the various trades this offseason. Like he said... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anarchy99 6,133 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 6 hours ago, Navin Johnson said: I think it's a one time deal. They have to blow it in one shot. They can split it up however they want. LINK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon 5,295 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Preseason starts in 10 days. Regular season tips off in 3 weeks from today. This feels totally crazy. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leeroy Jenkins 2,748 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Deamon said: Preseason starts in 10 days. Regular season tips off in 3 weeks from today. This feels totally crazy. I think it is Faaaantastic. The NBA is the only league who got this right IMO. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Desert_Power 458 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins said: I think it is Faaaantastic. The NBA is the only league who got this right IMO. I wonder how they will fare without the bubble. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon 5,295 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins said: I think it is Faaaantastic. The NBA is the only league who got this right IMO. Ya I am still excited for it. Us Philly fans need basketball in the worst way right now haha 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capella 29,442 Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Desert_Power said: I wonder how they will fare without the bubble. Terribly, but at least they have enough games so to where if somebody missed for covid or should still even out. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juxtatarot 11,180 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Desert_Power said: I wonder how they will fare without the bubble. If Otto Porter is any indication, I agree with Capella. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sammy3469 10,246 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 39 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said: If Otto Porter is any indication, I agree with Capella. I clicked for a fat Otto Porter picture... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
modogg 4,681 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 On 11/29/2020 at 7:56 PM, Bears_Man2 said: Love what Boston's done this offseason addressing their needs. They got their bruiser in the middle in Thompson to add a completely different element to their existing centers. The element that got exposed inside by Miami. They got the draft's premier shooter in Nesmith. They got this huge trade exception to address any need that come about. Added to a team that made the conference finals w/o Hayward. Toronto downgraded losing both Ibaka & Gasol. Someone in Milwaukee's gonna have to emerge in playoffs beside Giannis for them to take next step. Miami remains intact. Brooklyn looks decent on paper but if Durant's not near 100%, they're not going anywhere. ATL looks like a team on the rise but likely years away. Indiana could be a threat if all healthy. There's no other competition in the East. Keep preaching!!! And i hope you guys can keep posting silliness like above so Vegas can bump up the NBA win totals for Boston. Brad Stevens does have those guys playing hard every game and not taking any off, but looking forward to max betting the under wins for Boston this year. Sits at 46.5 right now with a 72-game season (2nd highest in the East, 4th highest overall). I don't think they will break 40 wins, but hoping that number still goes up. Only obstacle is Stevens coaching the guys up for every single game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
modogg 4,681 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 On 11/30/2020 at 10:41 AM, Leeroy Jenkins said: Can someone explain how the trade exceptions work again? not sure if this guy is 100% accurate, but he explains it pretty good here and options they have to trade for (which isn't a ton realistically): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa8wflPKqck&ab_channel=AFunkyDiabetic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
modogg 4,681 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 17 hours ago, Anarchy99 said: They can split it up however they want. LINK trade exception expires in 1 year, i am guessing Danny will not be able to utilize it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
modogg 4,681 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 On 11/30/2020 at 1:59 PM, wikkidpissah said: the cool thing is, if Traitor Danny doesnt have a blockbuster (Gobert?) in mind or the exception isnt all eaten up by having to replace Kemba (considering the Green's post-Leprechaun karma, a possibility), it can be used piecemeal if the Cs need patches. it's just nice, in the present construct, to be over the cap and still able to shop. i would guess that Utah will not want to move on from Gobert, unless that dope caused more internal issues then the media reported. Names mentioned are Heild, Aldridge, maybe Oladipo, and Christian "TTP part 2" Wood. Julius Randle too, and that would be somewhat interesting. Celtics would have to give something up to facilitate one of these trades. Seeing how Danny was calling half of the teams in the league to move Kemba, he may get lucky and find a team to take him and his gimpy knee 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Craig_MiamiFL 2,472 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, modogg said: i would guess that Utah will not want to move on from Gobert, unless that dope caused more internal issues then the media reported. Names mentioned are Heild, Aldridge, maybe Oladipo, and Christian "TTP part 2" Wood. Julius Randle too, and that would be somewhat interesting. Celtics would have to give something up to facilitate one of these trades. Seeing how Danny was calling half of the teams in the league to move Kemba, he may get lucky and find a team to take him and his gimpy knee All those names would make some sense. Boston's best off holding off as long as possible to make a move IMO. See what happens with team/injuries. Doesn't sound like Kemba's knee is responding well. Wouldn't be surprised at all if he misses most of the season. Obviously wouldn't have paid Hayward near $30m/yr but another facilitator could be what they end up needing. I think Tatum's a budding superstar but another distributor would help matters a lot. (Smart's gonna have to handle a huge load with Hayward gone....and Kemba likely looking at extended absence) I'm a big fan of the Tristan Thompson addition to their center rotation. We know what he is at this point but just the type of piece they needed for it IMO. Solid defensively at all levels, able to switch on screens w/o being completely exposed and a bruser down low. Their centers were fine all year until the ECF vs. Bam. I'm interested to see if Time Lord continues to grow or he's put on the back burner with Thompson now there along with Theis. I think Boston's also got some bench potential with their youngs. I'm a HUGE Aaron Nesmith fan. Think if/when he gets the PT he's gonna be a huge asset as an outside shooter with his ability to move without the ball. And if Kemba's gone for awhile, which seems like is a distinct possibility, they'll need some guys to step up. Edited December 1, 2020 by Craig_MiamiFL 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
modogg 4,681 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 49 minutes ago, Craig_MiamiFL said: All those names would make some sense. Boston's best off holding off as long as possible to make a move IMO. See what happens with team/injuries. Doesn't sound like Kemba's knee is responding well. Wouldn't be surprised at all if he misses most of the season. Obviously wouldn't have paid Hayward near $30m/yr but another facilitator could be what they end up needing. I think Tatum's a budding superstar but another distributor would help matters a lot. (Smart's gonna have to handle a huge load with Hayward gone....and Kemba likely looking at extended absence) I'm a big fan of the Tristan Thompson addition to their center rotation. We know what he is at this point but just the type of piece they needed for it IMO. Solid defensively at all levels, able to switch on screens w/o being completely exposed and a bruser down low. Their centers were fine all year until the ECF vs. Bam. I'm interested to see if Time Lord continues to grow or he's put on the back burner with Thompson now there along with Theis. I think Boston's also got some bench potential with their youngs. I'm a HUGE Aaron Nesmith fan. Think if/when he gets the PT he's gonna be a huge asset as an outside shooter with his ability to move without the ball. And if Kemba's gone for awhile, which seems like is a distinct possibility, they'll need some guys to step up. that is a bit of the infuriating thing with Boston (for the non-Celtics's fans). I don't think the talent level is all that high with their young guys, but mother f'ing Brad Stevens really does a nice job getting the most out of a lot of these guys, like the Isaiah Thomas Jr. types. I agree with most of the draft predictions that Peyton Pritchard is worth like a late round 2nd, if that. But pretty sure under Stevens the guy will be a nice 7-8 guy on their team Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Desert_Power 458 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Craig_MiamiFL said: All those names would make some sense. Boston's best off holding off as long as possible to make a move IMO. See what happens with team/injuries. Doesn't sound like Kemba's knee is responding well. Wouldn't be surprised at all if he misses most of the season. Obviously wouldn't have paid Hayward near $30m/yr but another facilitator could be what they end up needing. I think Tatum's a budding superstar but another distributor would help matters a lot. (Smart's gonna have to handle a huge load with Hayward gone....and Kemba likely looking at extended absence) I'm a big fan of the Tristan Thompson addition to their center rotation. We know what he is at this point but just the type of piece they needed for it IMO. Solid defensively at all levels, able to switch on screens w/o being completely exposed and a bruser down low. Their centers were fine all year until the ECF vs. Bam. I'm interested to see if Time Lord continues to grow or he's put on the back burner with Thompson now there along with Theis. I think Boston's also got some bench potential with their youngs. I'm a HUGE Aaron Nesmith fan. Think if/when he gets the PT he's gonna be a huge asset as an outside shooter with his ability to move without the ball. And if Kemba's gone for awhile, which seems like is a distinct possibility, they'll need some guys to step up. Terry Rozier could probably be had... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wikkidpissah 18,084 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 30 minutes ago, Desert_Power said: Terry Rozier could probably be had... hearing that Evan Turner has joined the C's coaching staff made me think about how none of the players who made their bones under Coach Stevens then moved on have ever asked or been asked back. Turner, Crowder, AB, Jeff Green, the Leprechaun of course, Olynyk, Rozier. When you combine that with "happy to be" Celtics like Horford & Hayward opting out, you start to wonder 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon 5,295 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Not a bad Xmas slate. New Orleans Pelicans @ Miami Heat, 12 p.m. ET Golden State Warriors @ Milwaukee Bucks, 2:30 p.m. ET Brooklyn Nets @ Boston Celtics, 5 p.m. ET Dallas Mavericks @ Los Angeles Lakers, 8 p.m. ET Los Angeles Clippers @ Denver Nuggets, 10:30 p.m. ET 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Yo Mama 3,489 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 LeBron signs 2/$85M extension (now signed through 2023). Wonder if that is a foreshadowing to the AD deal length. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gr00vus 11,814 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 I assume year 2 is player option? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Yo Mama 3,489 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Gr00vus said: I assume year 2 is player option? I haven’t seen any reporting of an option Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Yo Mama 3,489 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 I’m afraid this is going to be the main storyline of the season. Stein 546 NBA players were tested for the coronavirus from Nov. 24-30 ... 48 returned positive tests ... That’s 8.8 percent of the league as teams reassembled after the shortest offseason in league history ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gr00vus 11,814 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 They had a lot of catching up to do once they left the bubble. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boston 2,985 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, Gr00vus said: They had a lot of catching up to do once they left the bubble. If Pippen's ex gets it 1/2 the league will be in trouble... 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Long Ball Larry 14,280 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Gr00vus said: I assume year 2 is player option? Here’s what Albert nahmad said LeBron's deal can't BOTH pay out $85.7M AND have a player option. That's against the rules. The figure total is being reported by ESPN as factual, which would mean it doesn't have a player option. I tweeted out more details about the LeBron option scenarios earlier. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caustic 3,714 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Woj: Houston has agreed to trade Russell Westbrook to Washington for John Wall and a first round pick. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Yo Mama 3,489 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, caustic said: Woj: Houston has agreed to trade Russell Westbrook to Washington for John Wall and a first round pick. Whoa. That’s huge. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whoknew 8,714 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Westbrook, Beal, and Mo Wagner. Pretty sweet big three. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brunell4MVP 835 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Not happy the Wiz gave up the extra first rounder. It's really a straight up salary cap swap to move two mildly disgruntled players. But Westbrook will sell a lot more tickets than Wall, who has kinda worn out his welcome with the fans after not playing for 2 years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juxtatarot 11,180 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Shams: Sources: Protection on the first-round pick that the Wizards traded to Houston in Russell Westbrook/John Wall trade: 2023, Lottery; 2024, Top 12; 2025, Top 10; 2026, Top 8; then becomes two second-rounders. meh 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Craig_MiamiFL 2,472 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Boy did Houston really want Westbrook gone. And verifies Westbrook had zero market. Even the Knicks passed when their affinity for "PGs" that can't shoot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boston 2,985 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Craig_MiamiFL said: Boy did Houston really want Westbrook gone. And verifies Westbrook had zero market. Even the Knicks passed when their affinity for "PGs" that can't shoot. The fact that the Knicks passed on him maybe the first sign of life they have had in recent memory. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capella 29,442 Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) Wall and Harden makes no sense at all. Edited December 3, 2020 by Capella Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flranger 764 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Beginning to feel like the most untradeable contract in the sport each year is destined to get traded LOL at this article posted today Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sammy3469 10,246 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 15 minutes ago, Capella said: Wall and Harden makes no sense at all. Did Westbrook and Harden? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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