Correct... it does limit your massive upside, and also limits your massive downside. But like other posters, don't overthink this and play your best two players regardless of what team they are on. I mean I suppose if it's Monday and you know you need a safe 15 points it could be advantageous, but you have no clue what you are going to need out of those two RB's, so don't overthink it and play the best guysI guess my thinking is that you can start two guys from two different teams, and theoretically each could have the kind of monster game that Lockett had on Sunday night, for example. If I start two guys on the same team, it effectively eliminates that possibility.
Same here, and throw in Lenny as a flex option and I'm feeling like too many eggs in one basket.Unless I trade one of them I'm about to find out. Have both Mike Evans and AB.
Could see a scenario where I play both in the playoffs when TB faces MN, ATL, DET.
I agree with you in that generally I hate this strategy too, but I am considering it this week. I really hate Thursday night games lolI hate this strategy but I have done well with it in one league where I have both Lockett and Metcalf (not my intent, but those two are always my best options).
it’s also possible that it exacerbates the downside if they’re facing a tough secondary or the QB gets hurt ala Dak. In either of those scenarios you could have 2 bad games instead of 1/1Correct... it does limit your massive upside, and also limits your massive downside.
Oof. Talk about some rotten eggs. Except for Julio. But for a guy that had like 85 yards in the first quarter he had a quiet night.I’ll one up it. I’m starting Ryan, Julio AND Ridley tonight in the same lineup. (And DJ Moore)
I have a lot of eggs in one thursday basket.
Let’s make some omelets.
possible but someone is likely to catch targets... QB's still almost always throw for 200 yards a game so those have to go to somebody.it’s also possible that it exacerbates the downside if they’re facing a tough secondary or the QB gets hurt ala Dak. In either of those scenarios you could have 2 bad games instead of 1/1
While I agree with those who say to just draft and play the best available, those in best ball leagues might want to stay diverse just to get that extra ceiling you mention.I guess my thinking is that you can start two guys from two different teams, and theoretically each could have the kind of monster game that Lockett had on Sunday night, for example. If I start two guys on the same team, it effectively eliminates that possibility.
Starting to feel okay about Boyd/Higgins, have used them both the last few weeks. Not a no-brainer by any stretch and a bad game by Burrows could sink me, but they've been producing.I'd prefer not to do it, but I have Lockett and Metcalf so it's really a no-brainer given that they're my top 2 receivers. Beyond those two guys and Ridley/Julio, I'm not sure I'd be comfortable starting two from the same team on a regular basis.
If its a redraft league I would stick with Thielen. If its a dynasty league I make the trade for Lockett.I'd asked the question because I currently have Metcalf and Thielen. Had an opportunity to acquire Lockett (who I like better individually) for Thielen, but I opted against it for the sake of diversification. Was just wondering what others thought, and I'm enjoying the discussion.
I think more upside potential. Like I said before, two guys on different teams could conceivably both go 15-200-3 in the same week. Extremely unlikely that two teammates could ever do that.What are the pros of diversification?
As I’d said, I’ve done it before - to me the only factor is whether both WRs were FF-worthy.Deamon said:possible but someone is likely to catch targets... QB's still almost always throw for 200 yards a game so those have to go to somebody.
Of course there's exceptions but I think for the MOST part, 2 from the same team would give you a more consistent score. But I don't think that is a good or a bad thing and wouldn't even really think about it.
My one title in a league I used to play in 15 years ago was with a PM, RW & MH stack.Nothing wrong with it as long as the players are good.
I lost a title game to a Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne stack before.
Nope. That's my dad's name.My one title in a league I used to play in 15 years ago was with a PM, RW & MH stack.
Steve? Is that you?
I've had Evans and Godwin. I'd sure like to start both in the playoffs.kyoun1e said:Unless I trade one of them I'm about to find out. Have both Mike Evans and AB.
Could see a scenario where I play both in the playoffs when TB faces MN, ATL, DET.
Yeah I think this may be true. I haven't read any studies on this for a pretty long time. I recall this being a topic of discussion way back and I read some pretty good studies on it. IIRC there wasn't much of a conclusion favoring either side of the question. It was kind of a wash. Just depends on the players.I think more upside potential. Like I said before, two guys on different teams could conceivably both go 15-200-3 in the same week. Extremely unlikely that two teammates could ever do that.
Yeah all the Cooper, Lamb, Gallup owners are feeling that right now.Also, a QB injury is way more devastating when you have both your stud receivers on the same team.
15-200-3 has happened 3 times in NFL history.I think more upside potential. Like I said before, two guys on different teams could conceivably both go 15-200-3 in the same week. Extremely unlikely that two teammates could ever do that.
Also, a QB injury is way more devastating when you have both your stud receivers on the same team.
This is an interesting way to look at it. I agree we would want to look at more than one season.i agree with those who said this isn't something you should shy away from, but certainly would not use it as a strategy with one or two exception pairs each year. even then, not great.
let's say standard 1/2 pt PPR league. success in this scenario would be double digit points for both receivers in the same week (>9.9). in 2019, there were at least one pair of receivers who fit this scenario every week and many multiple pairs that qualify each week. That seems to say a good strategy.
however, the number of pairs that repeated this more than once in a season: 14. Of those, only 3 pairs did it more than twice. So while you would have enough stats to claim this works and why this topic comes up quite often, it's really not great. unless you think having two great weeks is a good strategy, then here you go.
2019
Cooper/Gallup (DAL) was the only pair to do it 5 times. This is easily a winning pair last year.
Gallup/Cobb (DAL) and Robinson/Miller (CHI) did it 3 times. Pretty sure rest of the weeks Robinson/Miller were barely startable.
Others who have done it twice in 2019: Ridley/Jone (ATL), Ross/Boyd (CIN), Landry/Odell (CLE), Sutton/Sanders (DEN), Golladay/Jones (DET), Hopkins/Still (HOU), Hopkins/Fuller (HOU), Conley/Chark (JAX), Slayton/Tate (NYG), Renfrow/Williams (OAK), Metcalf/Lockett (SEA), Godwin/Evans (TB)
Even what i would consider "elite" pairs that would have been hard to have both on your team in a season to begin with, like ATL, TB, SEA, CLE maybe even HOU and DEN, didn't do a whole lot in the same week for the duration of a season.
okay, this is only one season, so I'll take a look at prior seasons when i have more than a few minutes, but at least for last year no good.
completely agree with all of this. it's funny you mention Diggs & Thielen, I was surprised they didn't show up on this list so i went back a couple of times to make sure i wasn't missing anything. they did both have a good week in week 6 last year, but other weeks one had a monster week and the other didn't. again contributing to the cautious tale of starting even two elite players at once.This is an interesting way to look at it. I agree we would want to look at more than one season.
Stacks like this happen more often in dynasty leagues I think than redraft. I don't think there are many long term duos who were both say top 24 WR in the same season, but there have been some.
I have no idea how the Vikings with Kirk Cousins and a coach who wants to run the ball keeps having two very good fantasy WRs but they have been doing that for several years now with Diggs and Thielen, then going way back with Moss and Carter.
It gives you some insurance I think as one of the WR will likely have better games if the other is out with an injury or something like that.completely agree with all of this. it's funny you mention Diggs & Thielen, I was surprised they didn't show up on this list so i went back a couple of times to make sure i wasn't missing anything. they did both have a good week in week 6 last year, but other weeks one had a monster week and the other didn't. again contributing to the cautious tale of starting even two elite players at once.
I've had Evans and Godwin. I'd sure like to start both in the playoffs.
This is actually a year where there is a LOT of duo's playing great. In 0.5PPR, these are the WR1's this season so far (top 12 PPG)i agree with those who said this isn't something you should shy away from, but certainly would not use it as a strategy with one or two exception pairs each year. even then, not great.
I doubt it lasts all year but it's interesting right now, especially considering of the three duos, only one has a truly elite qb. Although Ryan does have the most pass attempts and completions right now.This is actually a year where there is a LOT of duo's playing great. In 0.5PPR, these are the WR1's this season so far (top 12 PPG)
Adams
Lockett- SEA
Hopkins
Crowder
Thielen- MIN
AJ Brown
Ridley- ATL
Fulgham
Metcalf- SEA
Jones- ATL
Jefferson- MIN
Diggs
Pretty insane that THREE teams have multiple Fantasy WR1's on their teams. Doubt that has ever happened before.
this is a great point. i picked an arbitrary number of 10 as a cutoff assuming in PPR a good receiver should always get double digits, but i checked after reading your post and the average is actually in the 7-8pts range in 2019. Adjusting for this and using 36 as a benchmark, there are startable pairs in every team in 2019 except Baltimore, Cinci, and Philly. Top pair was Curtis Samuel and DJ Moore in Carolina with 7 weeks, which covers just about half a Fantasy season. Several other pairs cover 3 weeks or more, so this is all of a sudden better than i thought strategy. Better yet, at least one of each duo is viable starter/stud each week, so now focus would be on the QB play and play calling in general.While I think what @Pigskin Fanatic came up with is a decent measure, that's looking for elite pairs. I'd say what we really need to be looking at is starter worthy pairs, and that is a function of league size, lineup requirements and scoring system.
For example, with a 12 team, 3 WR required league, we'd be more interested in how often each WR was in the top 36 (FF starter) on a weekly basis, not how often they hit a certain scoring amount.