wikkidpissah
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who did not vote for Donald Trump in 2016 but is voting for him this electoral season?
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KiddLattimer
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wikkidpissah
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that wasnt the point of this at all.
i'm trying to understand the confidence of some, the worry of others and why my guess that the President will have trouble garnering 40% of the popular vote is so quickly dismissed when, anecdotally, i know of so many who arent re-upping to the Trump administration but no new conversions.
Trump will receive record number of black and Latino votes from those previously firmly in the D camp
squistion
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wikkidpissah
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What peace? Syria's still a tire fire, Yemen is in the middle of a civil war, and even the accords agreed to were started before Trump took office. He also abandoned the Kurds, one of our former allies, to the Turks, with the added bonus of strengthening ISIS in the process.
Oh, and before the pandemic really got going this spring, Trump just about kicked off a war with Iran, and it was only because of wiser people that he didn't get his war after all. He did start and lose a trade war with China, though.
BoltBacker
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You asked, and I will give you an honest answer. I am more concerned today with the Democrat party drifting further toward outright socialism than I was in 2016. I did not like either candidate in 2016 and I still don’t.
BoltBacker
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A general sense of the party. It is my humble opinion that the Democrat party has an identity crisis.
AAABatteries
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BoltBacker
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I see. Haven't heard from many folks in months(maybe even years) that I truly believed was undecided, but I can understand the position that you are taking.
Sounds like you have given thought to the subject even if you are currently undecided and will at least make an informed decision whatever you choose. I certainly do hope you vote no matter which direction that you choose.
This will be my LAST question. Are you less impressed with the 3rd party option(s) that you are presented with in 2020 than you were presented with in 2016?
A fair question. I don’t think can answer that coherently. But perhaps it will suffice it to say that while in a lot of respects I consider myself a conservative, I don’t know that I consider myself a Republican anymore.
djmich
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Gary Johnson got a lot more press, but I will promptly admit that I have been living under the proverbial political rock lately. For the sake of my sanity I had to stop reading and stop discussing with people because the divisiveness became too much. So I’ve got some crash course reading to do on Dr Jorgensen, but sadly I think 2016 was our best chance to knock the 2 party system on its butt.
skol asylum
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Except for the war against Covid in which Trump has waved the white flag after failing so miserably in engaging. A war which has killed a whole lot more Americans than several other wars we have been in.
Mile High
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I don't see that as a bad thing. The Democrats need to break free of the states that decide the candidate but don't vote Democrat in the general.
PennStater77
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dkp993
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Interesting how you don’t have a problem with the people coming in here “beating their chests” about Trump though.
dkp993
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Agree with your last few post here. The only addendum I would make is that I think both parties have lost their identity. I definitely feel like a man without a party. While my feelings about Trump are very clear, I’m extraordinarily disappointed and concerned with the direction on both the left and the right. I voted third-party this year but didn’t in ‘16
The Future Champs
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What new wars did Ford, Carter, Clinton, and Obama start?
Also,
at peace in the Middle East. Maybe you missed the ####shows in Iraq, Syria, and Yemen.
Widbil83
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Well since the thread is about finding people who didn’t vote for President Trump in 2016 but are doing so now I sure don’t. Read the room.
dkp993
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But yet has nothing to do with his Trump achievements, he didn’t asked to be convinced. Read the question.
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Widbil83
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BoltBacker
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Don't forget, according to some Portland and Seattle have burned to the ground... but somehow the Middle East is a picture of peace and tranquility. It's like some people are living in some sci-fi novel.What new wars did Ford, Carter, Clinton, and Obama start?
Also,
KiddLattimer
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Far be it from me to suggest anyone give Biden their vote, but if you're concerned about Biden and this current Democrat party enacting socialist policies I think you'll be fine with what they actually do.
I'm on the opposite side... a 3rd party voter who wants them to move slightly toward socialist policies... and the only consistent message I've heard from BIden/Pelosi et al is "kiss my ###". I sincerely hope I'm wrong and he does surprise me with a lefty swing, but I fully expect him to govern like a moderate right Republican if he gets the job.
Leroy Hoard
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Alex P Keaton
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I know that's the conventional thought. But the last two blogs articles I read about people that were voting for Trump this time were from people who did not vote for him in 2016. Not sure what that means.
Joe Summer
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I only read the thread title.
My answer is "No."
My answer is "No."
KiddLattimer
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Right, it's not a comparison to Trump. Hoh was concerned he might be a flaming lefty, which he's certainly not.Prinefan said:
wikkidpissah
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Not at all. He's a lip-service Democrat, like his ol' boss. President Cheney sold Washington to Wall & K Streets, President Obama reversed almost none of that, never got out in front of anything, made naught but pretty speeches. President Trump fiddled like Nero, President Biden will shoot the home extinguisher at a coupla flareups, then reset the doilies on the back of the chairs so all the folks who got him there can be nice & comfy. And the conditions which have y'all so exorcised will prevail, if at a slower pace. Thanks everyone for paying all that attention -
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Terminalxylem
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Yeah, I really wish the “we’re headed to socialism” histrionics go away as nothing substantive moves that way during Biden’s presidency. It’s about the worst scare tactic trope, except possibly the perceived threat to the second amendment.KiddLattimer said:
I don't know anybody in real life who's changing their vote this year in either direction (except for myself going from not voting to voting for Biden).
jm192
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I hope you’re right. As a conservative, I hoped Biden would come out of the Democratic primary because he seemed like the least likely to take us in that direction.
The rest of the Democratic Party seems pretty primed to push him for it, though. AOC said they could likely push him in their “more progressive direction,” which I take to mean towards socialism as she supporter Bernie.
Lots of Dems are barking about ending the filibuster and expanding the courts.
Maybe those concerns are overblown? But I promise you I’m not taking it from the GOP. I’m going based what the Dems themselves are saying publicly.
KiddLattimer
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Anne Applebaum argues in a current Atlantic article that if you want the Democratic Party to move leftward toward socialism, you should vote for Trump. Extremism begets extreme reactions. You think QAnon and the Proud Boys are a problem now? See what happens if AOC becomes President. They'd gain more traction. Similarly, if you want Antifa and their ilk to become more prominent, reelect Trump. If you don't like the Proud Boys or Antifa, vote for the more moderate candidate.
An extremist President seems to justify extreme reactions. When Trump is in office, it's harder for moderate Democrats to tell extreme leftists that they're overreacting. President Biden would make it much easier.
Extremism leads to more opposing extremism and more polarization. Vote moderate (unless you want a harder shift to the left.)
An extremist President seems to justify extreme reactions. When Trump is in office, it's harder for moderate Democrats to tell extreme leftists that they're overreacting. President Biden would make it much easier.
Extremism leads to more opposing extremism and more polarization. Vote moderate (unless you want a harder shift to the left.)
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I can understand this view, but this will tear this nation apart even faster than it's going now. There's zero civil discourse now, there's just the left, the right, and God help you if you find yourself in the middle somewhere. For all of our flaws, we do have some good things going in this nation, but this purely reactionary voting, vitriol, and venom isn't going to fix anything. As of now, I think the only thing that would unite us as a nation would be some type of major disaster, which is itself very frightening, but we have a pandemic that has killed a quarter of a million Americans, and we're further apart than ever before, so I'm probably wrong about my own assertion.
In short, I'm becoming more and more certain that we're watching the end of the United States in some form or fashion, because I don't see a way out of this, barring intervention from the Almighty in some way. It's going to be very nasty this week, and it probably won't get better soon.
