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***Official 2020 Election General*** (3 Viewers)

moleculo said:
For literally 4 years, nearly every day I come home from work and my wife and I share "Trumpnews" - a daily breakdown of something ridiculous the president did or said or tweeted.

I expect that to still happen - Trump isn't going away, but it's so relieving that Trumpnews will be casual amusement instead of fearing for the future of our country.
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I think this is a good post and example of mental health. Mr and Mrs Moleculo will experience better mental health now that Biden has taken office and so will 71 Million other Americans and yet 67 Million probably will now move into the mentally unhealthy category. 

I say this only to reinforce to myself that there will be lots of patients for me to listen to from now to the end of time that think their lives are in turmoil. 

I'm happy you're happy 👍.  Maybe we can get back to better days and topics to discuss. I'm really sick and tired of politics right now and have been since the Covid unleashed here. 

 
jhib said:
To be fair, Trump at least said similar words in his own victory speech.  His way of speaking made them wring false to my ears at the time, but I imagine they sounded different depending on where one stood on his winning. 

As an aside, it sure seemed like he stuck to his writers' words much more closely back then.  Reading the words, he almost sounds downright humble.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/donald-trump-victory-speech/index.html
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Trump's acceptance speech

Why couldn't we have had that guy the last 4 years?

 
Jayrod said:
I followed this election and politics in general more than most people I know, but wow, some of you seem awfully effected by who is President.

He has very little direct influence on the majority of our lives, yet the difference between riots and city-wide celebrations was the results of this one political office.

It is really ridiculous when you actually think about it.
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Yes and No, I seem to remember Trump signing a lot of executive orders when he first entered office and would like to proudly display what he signed. 

I think the folks who voted for Trump in 2016 got everything they could have hoped for...almost. 

3 Supreme Court Judges from his era won't just disappear in 5-10 years. Record low interest rates, sky high stock market even when things seemed bad over the summer. 

Biden has big shoes to fill. 

 
tymarsas said:
To be fair I have a terrible memory. But I do seem to remember that was pretty good speech as well. The part you quoted is downright great. I wish he was making a similar concession speech now. 
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My memory stinks, too. The reason I even looked it up was that someone on tv was talking about Biden's speech and implying that Trump would never have said the same kind of things. I wondered how bad his was and ended up a little surprised.

 
moleculo said:
For literally 4 years, nearly every day I come home from work and my wife and I share "Trumpnews" - a daily breakdown of something ridiculous the president did or said or tweeted.

I expect that to still happen - Trump isn't going away, but it's so relieving that Trumpnews will be casual amusement instead of fearing for the future of our country.
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Every morning when I'd wake up I'd ask my Google Home "what has Trump tweeted today." (I'm California so there would be a healthy backlog).

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Brett Bair does a good job at 6:00 vs all other anchors in the 6-7 hours, I'm even including CBS, NBC, ABC tools on those networks. 

I understand why folks don't always like him but he seems like the one guy who tries to be fair or not push it one or the other, he usually reads the "facts/info" as put out by both sides thru their media outlets. He quotes others is what I'm saying rather than inject a lot of personal opinion. I'm sure he's a staunch conservative but he allows for you to make up your own mind. 

Fox is loaded with loons, I can't watch much they offer after about 7 at night. But the other cable networks have their own bonafide crazies at night so it evens out. 

I have mostly stopped watching ALL News and I am trying to also stay off the internet sites I have been heavily into for a long time. Maybe I don't need to know every little breaking moment of nonsense. My life is much better when I focus on myself and not worry about the entire country and world. I now I can't be alone in that camp. 

Last 6 months I have limited my news to less than a couple minutes a day, when others try and talk about what is current in the news I've been playing dumb or actually I guess I am ignorant to some of the opinions but who cares? You can't have your life dictated by TV and the news, it's a bad pool of energy to draw from. 
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Brett Baier, Chris Wallace and Martha MacCallum stack up against any other network. Fox is demonized because of Tucker Carlson, Hannity and Ingraham. The news side isn't bad. Meanwhile, CNN has Anderson Cooper, Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon in the evenings, but that is somehow considered news shows. Crazy. These people have lost it. 

 
Jayrod said:
OK, how is the average person who would have rioted if Trump won the election and is now throwing a party for Biden going to have a better life in 4 years from this single elected office?  I mean across the board actual improvement in life?

Is it worth that drastic of a difference or is it really all "trumped" up outrage and joy over something that makes very little difference.  I vote the later and it is how the politicians and the media want it.  We make it a bigger deal than it really is and it is our own collective faults with social media and message boards and our stupid echo chambers.
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As a middle aged, white, male, professional services business leader I will likely be financially unimpacted by this election.  In fact, I might be financially disadvantaged personally over the next four years (though I do tend to believe that rising tide lifts all boats).  So, to me, the sitting POTUS was an existential threat and as such his removal is a significant relief to me.

But as others have noted, I didn't just vote for me and on that front I cannot communicate it any better than Van Jones did.

Hope that provides some understanding for the joy so many of us are feeling - personally, empathetically, and existentially.

 
EZD222 said:
Every morning when I'd wake up I'd ask my Google Home "what has Trump tweeted today." (I'm California so there would be a healthy backlog).
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This seems like a sad thing to ask Google. If you are in California, I suggest "hey Google, what is the weather like this morning". Way more likely to put you in a good mood in the morning.

 
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Morton Muffley said:
As a middle aged, white, male, professional services business leader I will likely be financially unimpacted by this election.  In fact, I might be financially disadvantaged personally over the next four years (though I do tend to believe that rising tide lifts all boats).  So, to me, the sitting POTUS was an existential threat and as such his removal is a significant relief to me.

But as others have noted, I didn't just vote for me and on that front I cannot communicate it any better than Van Jones did.

Hope that provides some understanding for the joy so many of us are feeling - personally, empathetically, and existentially.
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For the record, I think the quality of my life has way more to do with my actions than who the leader of my country is.

 
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Ministry of Pain said:
I think this is a good post and example of mental health. Mr and Mrs Moleculo will experience better mental health now that Biden has taken office and so will 71 Million other Americans and yet 67 Million probably will now move into the mentally unhealthy category. 

I say this only to reinforce to myself that there will be lots of patients for me to listen to from now to the end of time that think their lives are in turmoil. 

I'm happy you're happy 👍.  Maybe we can get back to better days and topics to discuss. I'm really sick and tired of politics right now and have been since the Covid unleashed here. 
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I'm very much looking forward to not caring about politics any more.

 
Georgia just slipped in a few thousand ballots a few minutes ago. Biden's lead up to 10,195 now.

By my calculation, there should be just a few hundred ballots remaining, not including overseas ballots (which were due yesterday).

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Yes and No, I seem to remember Trump signing a lot of executive orders when he first entered office and would like to proudly display what he signed. 

I think the folks who voted for Trump in 2016 got everything they could have hoped for...almost. 

3 Supreme Court Judges from his era won't just disappear in 5-10 years. Record low interest rates, sky high stock market even when things seemed bad over the summer. 

Biden has big shoes to fill. 
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Debt as far as the eye can see. 

 
jhib said:
To be fair, Trump at least said similar words in his own victory speech.  His way of speaking made them wring false to my ears at the time, but I imagine they sounded different depending on where one stood on his winning. 

As an aside, it sure seemed like he stuck to his writers' words much more closely back then.  Reading the words, he almost sounds downright humble.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/donald-trump-victory-speech/index.html
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great words, lousy execution.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
I think this is a good post and example of mental health. Mr and Mrs Moleculo will experience better mental health now that Biden has taken office and so will 71 Million other Americans and yet 67 Million probably will now move into the mentally unhealthy category. 
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Trump was actively abusive. I find it hard to believe this is a both sides thing considering rhetoric that will likely come from the Biden admin. I mean the torrent of abuse from his tweet stream will be studied by historians for centuries. 

 
Kal El said:
Having a plan and sticking to it would have absolutely helped, neither of which are true with Trump. While a president doesn't wield much of a direct influence in day to day living, knowing they're actually doing work instead of golfing is a positive change. Now, Biden could absolutely screw this up somehow, but at least he's willing to try something other than "let the states do my job, no wait, time to reopen way too early."
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Trump thought he was being smart in letting the States be responsible for covid and that the backlash for hardships would fall on state/local govt. He demonstrated a lack of courage and leadership. But it did create the chaos and divisiveness he seeks.

 
Jackstraw said:
Trump was actively abusive. I find it hard to believe this is a both sides thing considering rhetoric that will likely come from the Biden admin. I mean the torrent of abuse from his tweet stream will be studied by historians for centuries. 
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Are you ever able to step back and discuss in an unbiased way? I understand why you post this but I think when you say "hard to believe two side thing" and in your defense you aren't saying Zero Absolute but I would encourage you to not to assume you know how Right Leaning Independents or Conservatives who don't go to Church much, who don't care about a lot of the issues the traditional GOP do like "family values" as there are so many Singles now without kids and don't want all their politics wrapped around the needs of children or families. 

It's hard to believe but there's a growing number of folks out there that have disconnected from a lot of what is broadcast on TV and opting to not participate in events that are mostly backed by media or conditioning is a better word. I don't want to be a sheep, I've learned a lot about myself this year and I desire for more free thinking outside of the box. 

Example...I didn't love what a few of the posters wrote in a thread I launched here in the politics forum but that's why I probably need to see and read it and understand there so many other POV and it's incredibly wrong of me to think my way of thinking is what is right for everybody, because it isn't. But it's good for me  :D

 
A lot of what probably feels like piling on jayrod, but stuff needs to be said over.  As others have said, it's less about me.   At the very least, going from having a leader in my administration that belittled women, was creepy about his daughter, and said that you can just go grab them by the ####### to having a woman as VP is a big deal and something that should be reflected on and celebrated a bit.  

We had a funny exchange with my 5 year old daughter tonight.  Wife and I were watching the speech and my wife was getting emotional when Harris was speaking.  Daughter asked what she was watching and why she was crying.  My wife basically said that what this means is that you can be really be anything you want to be in now - see, you can be Vice President or President.   Of course she rolls her eyes and says "Mom, you know I just want to drive excavators!".  Well, at least you have the choice... 

 
rockaction said:
I'm hardly as sanguine as everybody on this board. We still pretty much suck as as country. We saw that for four years. Doesn't change in one night because a guy has a D next to his name in the Oval Office.
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Has nothing to do with the him having a D next to his name and much more to do with him being a total D like the current man in office. 

 
Georgia at 10K now. 

PA up to 41K.

Surprised they haven't called GA at this point. Maybe there's a large number of overseas and/or provisional ballots but that's a big lead at this point, all things considered.

 
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CletiusMaximus said:
 I can see that, but knowing the context I think his meaning is clear.  They are desperately trying to coerce Republicans to join the fraud claims and getting no takers. The silence from the rest of the party is deafening. 
 
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I’ve been away for days so just catching up.  I think they are trying to figure out how to not alienate Trump’s base.  Dude got a LOT of people to vote for him.

 
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Funny stuff by Bill Maher talking about unity...he is an interesting guy and never shy with his opinions...obviously comes at things from the left but understands many of the hypocrisies that drives people crazy from the right...IMO the only way unity has even a remote chance in this country is if both sides stop practicing hypocrisy and giving free passes when their side does something but gets outraged when the other side does it...key words here are both sides.

https://redstate.com/alexparker/2020/11/07/bill-maher-joe-biden-unity-america-save-ourselves-n276695 

 
Morton Muffley said:
As a middle aged, white, male, professional services business leader I will likely be financially unimpacted by this election.  In fact, I might be financially disadvantaged personally over the next four years (though I do tend to believe that rising tide lifts all boats).  So, to me, the sitting POTUS was an existential threat and as such his removal is a significant relief to me.

But as others have noted, I didn't just vote for me and on that front I cannot communicate it any better than Van Jones did.

Hope that provides some understanding for the joy so many of us are feeling - personally, empathetically, and existentially.
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I've mentioned at times that my university (Chicago area) has a large proportion of Hispanic students - many of whom are Dreamers; many of whose parents are undocumented.  I've had students, through recent years, fear attending class due to ICE.  I know their parents have lived in fear of the knock on the door.  For them, Biden's win (and Trump's loss) is a life-changing moment.  

 
gianmarco said:
Georgia at 10K now. 

PA up to 41K.

Surprised they haven't called GA at this point. Maybe there's a large number of overseas and/or provisional ballots but that's a big lead at this point, all things considered.
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Agree with the red. Georgia will likely have a recount, but the lead is essentially recount-proof now (>1000). Though I don't know the exact number, I'm confident there won't be enough overseas or provisional ballots to make up the difference.

 
AAABatteries said:
I’ve been away for days so just catching up.  I think they are trying to figure out how to not alienate Trump’s base.  Dude got a LOT of people to vote for him.
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When it comes down to it, Trump's base is still politically conservative, right? They won't go to the Democrats en masse. I would bet a lot that they won't vote third party in numbers ("in numbers" meaning "what Ross Perot got in 1992"). I would bet some stay home and kind of drop out of politics for a few cycles, but will that be an election-affecting number?

So what's left? 80% or better of Trump's current voters continue voting Republican, right?

 
Doug B said:
When it comes down to it, Trump's base is still politically conservative, right? They won't go to the Democrats en masse. I would bet a lot that they won't vote third party in numbers ("in numbers" meaning "what Ross Perot got in 1992"). I would bet some stay home and kind of drop out of politics for a few cycles, but will that be an election-affecting number?

So what's left? 80% or better of Trump's current voters continue voting Republican, right?
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As someone on the right I think you will see 100% of GOP voters fully engaged going forward and voting that way...I have never seen more paying attention...the GOP has some very intriguing candidates for 2024 and if one of them has even a little bit of a Reagan vibe the enthusiasm will go thru the roof as I do think while many voted for Trump having a more mature candidate will be a huge relief.

 
Doug B said:
When it comes down to it, Trump's base is still politically conservative, right? They won't go to the Democrats en masse. I would bet a lot that they won't vote third party in numbers ("in numbers" meaning "what Ross Perot got in 1992"). I would bet some stay home and kind of drop out of politics for a few cycles, but will that be an election-affecting number?

So what's left? 80% or better of Trump's current voters continue voting Republican, right?
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Well, we’ll see what happens. Imagine the primary field for 2024. Who energizes the party, stands out from the crowd? Pence? Pompeo? Cruz or someone else that has run before? Haley? Tucker Carlson? (really, why does his name come up here?)
Now imagine a (debatably) weak looking field and Don Jr decides to try. Or ivanka. I think one of them would run away with the nomination over the Republican retreads. But let’s say the Republican Party is ready to move on. Could one of those two run as a 3rd party? That would absolutely change the political landscape.

 
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Boston said:
As someone on the right I think you will see 100% of GOP voters fully engaged going forward and voting that way...I have never seen more paying attention...the GOP has some very intriguing candidates for 2024 and if one of them has even a little bit of a Reagan vibe the enthusiasm will go thru the roof as I do think while many voted for Trump having a more mature candidate will be a huge relief.
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As we speak, there are a bunch of GOP strategists and potential candidates trying to figure out how to embrace Trumpism without all the buffoonery.  The last two elections have shown that there's a strong constituency out there for nationalist party focused on the working class, with a special emphasis on the white working class.  I'm not sure that Rubio or Cruz can transition over to that market easily, but you have to figure somebody will, and that person is likely be very successful in 2024.

This is not one of those "wishful thinking" predictions BTW.  I'll never support this flavor of GOP candidate.

 
Snorkelson said:
Well, we’ll see what happens. Imagine the primary field for 2024. Who energizes the party, stands out from the crowd? Pence? Pompeo? Cruz or someone else that has run before? Haley? Tucker Carlson? (really, why does his name come up here?)
Now imagine a (debatably) weak looking field and Don Jr decides to try. Or ivanka. I think one of them would run away with the nomination over the Republican retreads. But let’s say the Republican Party is ready to move on. Could one of those two run as a 3rd party? That would absolutely change the political landscape.
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The names you want to keep an eye on are Noem, Scott, Haley, Hawley, Cotton, DeSantis and Pence...right now it will come from that group...the Trump family angle is a complete wish for the dems, aint gonna happen...Pompeo is a non-entity with GOP voters...Cruz does have some qualities that are appealing to the right but like Newt Gingrich it does not play to this level...the Tucker talk is comical, he will be content being the biggest voice in media, he is not gonna run for President...as for a third party candidate I think there is a better chance that a progressive from Squad-world has a bigger impact then someone from the GOP.

 
Snorkelson said:
Well, we’ll see what happens. Imagine the primary field for 2024. Who energizes the party, stands out from the crowd? Pence? Pompeo? Cruz or someone else that has run before? Haley? Tucker Carlson? (really, why does his name come up here?)
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Nikki Haley is exactly the kind of person that I have in mind.  She's bright, articulate, and looks the part -- you might be rolling your eyes at listing those features as distinguishing qualifications for the presidency but compare/contrast with Trump and she's already ahead of the game.  She has strong ties to Trump and is one of the few people who actually seemed to do a pretty good job in his administration.  She's been around long enough that she's been vetted and is probably as ready as anybody for the bright lights, but she's also not so well-known that she can't recreate herself as a Trumpist without having it look all ridiculous.  (Try to imagine Jeb! arguing for the wall).   

If I were going to make a predication about the 2024 GOP nominee sitting here right now, Haley or somebody similar is what I would expect to see. 

 
Boston said:
The names you want to keep an eye on are Noem, Scott, Haley, Hawley, Cotton, DeSantis and Pence...right now it will come from that group...the Trump family angle is a complete wish for the dems, aint gonna happen...Pompeo is a non-entity with GOP voters...Cruz does have some qualities that are appealing to the right but like Newt Gingrich it does not play to this level...the Tucker talk is comical, he will be content being the biggest voice in media, he is not gonna run for President...as for a third party candidate I think there is a better chance that a progressive from Squad-world has a bigger impact then someone from the GOP.
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I think we will absolutely get someone from the Trump family running a campaign because there’s too much money to make to not do it. Honestly I won’t be surprised if Donald just announces he’s running in 2024 and starts a campaign fund to collect money and direct it to his properties. 

 
IvanKaramazov said:
As we speak, there are a bunch of GOP strategists and potential candidates trying to figure out how to embrace Trumpism without all the buffoonery.  The last two elections have shown that there's a strong constituency out there for nationalist party focused on the working class, with a special emphasis on the white working class.  I'm not sure that Rubio or Cruz can transition over to that market easily, but you have to figure somebody will, and that person is likely be very successful in 2024.

This is not one of those "wishful thinking" predictions BTW.  I'll never support this flavor of GOP candidate.
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Many will f up what they need to know...for all his warts the one (and only IMO) thing a GOP voter wants copied is that the candidate will not backdown from the left and will fight for them...that is it, everything else Trump did can be swept aside...if the  candidate can do that but in a far classier and dignified manner you have a chance to be the next Reagan which so many on the right have been hoping for.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
As we speak, there are a bunch of GOP strategists and potential candidates trying to figure out how to embrace Trumpism without all the buffoonery.  The last two elections have shown that there's a strong constituency out there for nationalist party focused on the working class, with a special emphasis on the white working class.  I'm not sure that Rubio or Cruz can transition over to that market easily, but you have to figure somebody will, and that person is likely be very successful in 2024.

This is not one of those "wishful thinking" predictions BTW.  I'll never support this flavor of GOP candidate.
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It'll be a challenge for the GOP.  There is absolutely a non-zero number of Trump supporters for whom the buffoonery was the attraction.

 
Snorkelson said:
Well, we’ll see what happens. Imagine the primary field for 2024. Who energizes the party, stands out from the crowd? Pence? Pompeo? Cruz or someone else that has run before? Haley? Tucker Carlson? (really, why does his name come up here?).
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Keep in mind that four years out, neither Barack Obama nor Bill Clinton were seen coming over the presidential-candidate horizon.

I disagree that Trump's name could get members of his family any kind of political foothold in the future.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Nikki Haley is exactly the kind of person that I have in mind.  She's bright, articulate, and looks the part -- you might be rolling your eyes at listing those features as distinguishing qualifications for the presidency but compare/contrast with Trump and she's already ahead of the game.  She has strong ties to Trump and is one of the few people who actually seemed to do a pretty good job in his administration.  She's been around long enough that she's been vetted and is probably as ready as anybody for the bright lights, but she's also not so well-known that she can't recreate herself as a Trumpist without having it look all ridiculous.  (Try to imagine Jeb! arguing for the wall).   

If I were going to make a predication about the 2024 GOP nominee sitting here right now, Haley or somebody similar is what I would expect to see. 
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I agree she stands out from that pack, and probably is the smartest out of that pack as well. I’m not sure she gets the primary vote from the typical republican voters though. 

 
Boston said:
The names you want to keep an eye on are Noem, 
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Kristi Noem is a great comparison point for Nikki Haley.  They're both young-ish, hot-ish women who would represent a fresh face for the party.  They're both well-positioned to claim the Trump lane in a primary field.  That's where the comparisons stop though.  We're not supposed to call people idiots on this site, so at this point I need to break out those vocabulary skills that served me so well on the SAT once upon a time.  She's Dan Quayle 2.0. 

Noem also brings some ethical baggage to the table that is well-known within the state but (I think) completely unknown outside of it.  If you google "Noem nepotism" you'll see what I mean.  In kind of a weird way, Noem is personally responsible for SD legalizing pot through constitutional amendment as opposed to initiated measure, because nobody trusts our state government not to ignore IMs.   

 
Doug B said:
Keep in mind that four years out, neither Barack Obama nor Bill Clinton were seen coming over the presidential-candidate horizon.

I disagree that Trump's name could get members of his family any kind of political foothold in the future.
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It’s not so much about getting a political foothold or gaining office as it is running a campaign and working the brand. 

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Nikki Haley is exactly the kind of person that I have in mind.  She's bright, articulate, and looks the part -- you might be rolling your eyes at listing those features as distinguishing qualifications for the presidency but compare/contrast with Trump and she's already ahead of the game.  She has strong ties to Trump and is one of the few people who actually seemed to do a pretty good job in his administration.  She's been around long enough that she's been vetted and is probably as ready as anybody for the bright lights, but she's also not so well-known that she can't recreate herself as a Trumpist without having it look all ridiculous.  (Try to imagine Jeb! arguing for the wall).   

If I were going to make a predication about the 2024 GOP nominee sitting here right now, Haley or somebody similar is what I would expect to see. 
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Agreed...she is right at the top of the list of contenders...also, her Indian heritage does not hurt as well...a Haley/Scott ticket would be a handful to run against...Kristi Noem is someone I am very intrigued by...the whole heartland thing could be a huge plus in four years (and she's not bad to look at either)...Josh Hawley is someone to keep an eye on...he has been focused on big tech for awhile and censorship in that area that is a major issue for many on the right...he could have a chance to pull a Bobby Kennedy v. the mob thing and really raise his profile.

 
You guys are killing me. 

The votes aren't even done being counted and you are talking about how nationalism is going to win back the election in 2024....

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Nikki Haley is exactly the kind of person that I have in mind.  She's bright, articulate, and looks the part -- you might be rolling your eyes at listing those features as distinguishing qualifications for the presidency but compare/contrast with Trump and she's already ahead of the game.  She has strong ties to Trump and is one of the few people who actually seemed to do a pretty good job in his administration.  She's been around long enough that she's been vetted and is probably as ready as anybody for the bright lights, but she's also not so well-known that she can't recreate herself as a Trumpist without having it look all ridiculous.  (Try to imagine Jeb! arguing for the wall).   

If I were going to make a predication about the 2024 GOP nominee sitting here right now, Haley or somebody similar is what I would expect to see. 
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Will be funny to see them nominate an actual muslim. I doubt the flag wavers have any idea about her upbringing but it wouldn't take long.  

 
Boston said:
Many will f up what they need to know...for all his warts the one (and only IMO) thing a GOP voter wants copied is that the candidate will not backdown from the left and will fight for them...that is it, everything else Trump did can be swept aside...if the  candidate can do that but in a far classier and dignified manner you have a chance to be the next Reagan which so many on the right have been hoping for.
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I think the secret sauce will be a Trump centric candidate with Donald still doing his rally thing

 
Doug B said:
When it comes down to it, Trump's base is still politically conservative, right? They won't go to the Democrats en masse. I would bet a lot that they won't vote third party in numbers ("in numbers" meaning "what Ross Perot got in 1992"). I would bet some stay home and kind of drop out of politics for a few cycles, but will that be an election-affecting number?

So what's left? 80% or better of Trump's current voters continue voting Republican, right?
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It’s going to be interesting to see how many of the 8 million plus new Trump and 10 million or so new Biden voters stay active.  My guess that they’ll be some sustainable pockets (Atlanta for instance), but my guess is not many will.  Who knows though.

 
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