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***Official 2020 Election General*** (3 Viewers)
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Mile High
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Marc E. Elias
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NEW: The Nevada Supreme Court has accepted the states election canvass results, paving the way for the Governor to sign the formal election certification
https://mobile.twitter.com/marceelias
Sea Duck
Footballguy
Great news BUT we shouldn't ignore the fact that there were at least THREE counties in Pennsylvania where the Republican board members voted against certification. AND, one of the counties went for Trump anyway, which means that these Republicans were deliberately attempting to disenfranchise millions of voters in other counties to circumvent a legal election.Pennsylvania has certified.
Governor Tom Wolf
@GovernorTomWolf
Today @PAStateDept certified the results of the November 3 election in Pennsylvania for president and vice president of the United States. As required by federal law, I’ve signed the Certificate of Ascertainment for the slate of electors for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
https://www.citizensvoice.com/news/election/election-board-certifies-election-results-3-2-vote-on-party-lines/article_45c02b38-7a2c-5860-a258-4279eabd5b9c.html
WE NEED TO FIX THE SYSTEM, FOLKS.
Chemical X
Footballguy
will the president authorize and allow a new inauguration? also, spending everyday on the golf course after you lose the election is a bold move, kudos.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Wisconsin is in the 5th day of its recount, which the Trump campaign requested and paid for. Its become a bit of a ####show due to Trump "observers" thinking their role is to play election cop, but they will get through it and the results will not change. There may still be a faithless elector issue - lots of noise about that.
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
Trump brags about Dow 30,000 at surprise news conference, leaves after a minute
Of course there are reasons the stock market has been going much higher.
1. Biden won. No more surprises via Twitter constantly pulling at the markets. A return to normalcy.
2. Janet Yellen being named to Treasury Secretary.
3. Because of 1 & 2 there will almost certainly be stimulus, Cares, PPP, something, to help businesses and citizens in the US.
Of course there are reasons the stock market has been going much higher.
1. Biden won. No more surprises via Twitter constantly pulling at the markets. A return to normalcy.
2. Janet Yellen being named to Treasury Secretary.
3. Because of 1 & 2 there will almost certainly be stimulus, Cares, PPP, something, to help businesses and citizens in the US.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I think the main reason is the promise of Covid19 vaccines being available in a few months. He did have somewhat to do with that.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
“We will not stop fighting for you, the American Patriot, against the evils of Socialism and inferior Religions.”
Yikes! - Atleast they aren't pretending anymore.
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2Squirrels1Nut
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It may have something to do with it but this rally didn't start with the announcement of the vaccine. It started after it was clear Biden won the election.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Nevada has also certified.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Pretty sure this isn't something a soon-to-be former occupant of the Executive branch has any kind of involvement in (Y'know...other than to show up and not act like a toolshed for 45 mins. And even that isn't "necessary" for the inauguration to happen.). Some kind of joint congressional committee sees to all this stuff, IIRC.Chemical X said:
I mean, if memory serves, haven't they already been constructing crap in front of the Capitol to host the event for weeks? Whether it can actually be held there now, due to restrictions, is another question I suppose.
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Doug B
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They'll need dozens of faithless electors from multiple states. And those faithless electors will have to come from very deep blue, long-standing, and highly-vetted members of the respective state's Democratic Party apparatuses. There will be no moles among them.CletiusMaximus said:
The bolded is a patent impossibility.
Thats’ a bold strategy, Cotton.2Squirrels1Nut said:
Joe Summer
Footballguy
I was worried about a faithless elector when it was looking like Biden might finish at 270, but Biden is well in the clear now. The only reason there were so many faithless electors in 2016 is because they all knew that the race wasn't close enough to make a difference. They wouldn't have defected if Trump had needed them to win.
2Squirrels1Nut
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Osaurus
Footballguy
I thought about Trump going scorched earth on both parties. He is irate that the GOP rank and file haven’t done enough to support him and he could spite them. It would be freakin hilarious if the GOP lost the Georgia Senate seats because of it. I know it’s unlikely, but amusing nonetheless.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Don't worry, the Democrats will find a way to screw it up. Between Trump and Stone and Sidney Powell, the campaign commercials practically write themselves. But the Democrats will probably ignore all of it.
Doug B
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ericttspikes
Footballguy
Will Roger get a Trump tat to pair with his Nixon one? A Trump stamp would look good on him.2Squirrels1Nut said:
ericttspikes
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the rover
Footballguy
Huh? There were 10 in 2016 (3 were invalidated). 8 of those 10 were supposed to vote for Clinton. There were a handful of republican electors who resigned rather than vote for Trump. There were only 2 electors from Texas that were supposed to vote for Trump and didn't, because there was no law preventing them from voting their conscience.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Team Trump announced legislatures in MI, AZ, and PA will conduct public hearings. I will let the legal crowd here explain what purpose this serves.
the rover
Footballguy
So, meaningless grandstanding since they have no authority to overturn election results that have already been certified?
apalmer
Footballguy
Well, in PA, our GOP-dominated legislature has voted to have hearings next year on how the election was conducted. They could conceivably result in changes in the election code or procedures for future elections, such as addressing all the "is it a valid vote or not" issues the courts have had to decide this year. They'll obviously serve no purpose with respect to this year's election.
Mystery Achiever
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Yes, they're saying it is to improve things for the future, but they're still giving Giuliani another platform tomorrow.
It won't help him, but amplifying his message isn't constructive, to say the least.
https://www.wfmz.com/news/state/giuliani-set-to-appear-before-hearing-conducted-by-pennsylvania-republicans/article_6ed456ac-0368-5282-b1e5-53ecbdec1573.html
It won't help him, but amplifying his message isn't constructive, to say the least.
https://www.wfmz.com/news/state/giuliani-set-to-appear-before-hearing-conducted-by-pennsylvania-republicans/article_6ed456ac-0368-5282-b1e5-53ecbdec1573.html
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apalmer
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Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
We can hope.
Mile High
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
So...a taxpayer funded trip...committing police resources...so Trump can attend a "hearing" which seems to be nothing more than Republicans meeting to complain about the election without actually presenting any evidence at all?
Mile High
Footballguy
The event is said to be the first of several planned in battleground states designed to undermine Biden's victory in the election, CNN reported.
Jenna Ellis, an attorney working on the Trump campaign, said the outgoing president's legal team would not "back down" despite state officials certifying Biden's victory.
"It's in everyone's interest to have a full vetting of election irregularities and fraud," Giuliani said in a statement reported by Bloomberg.
"And the only way to do this is with public hearings, complete with witnesses, videos, pictures and other evidence of illegalities from the November 3rd election."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/trump-rudy-giuliani-gop-voter-fraud-hearing-hotel-gettysburg-pennsylvania-2020-11%3famp
The strategy seems to be since they can't win with evidence in court, is to try the case in the court of public opinion.
Jenna Ellis, an attorney working on the Trump campaign, said the outgoing president's legal team would not "back down" despite state officials certifying Biden's victory.
"It's in everyone's interest to have a full vetting of election irregularities and fraud," Giuliani said in a statement reported by Bloomberg.
"And the only way to do this is with public hearings, complete with witnesses, videos, pictures and other evidence of illegalities from the November 3rd election."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/trump-rudy-giuliani-gop-voter-fraud-hearing-hotel-gettysburg-pennsylvania-2020-11%3famp
The strategy seems to be since they can't win with evidence in court, is to try the case in the court of public opinion.
dgreen
Footballguy
So they are going to trot out a bunch of people to lie about what happened to them or what they saw. These are all the examples they've been talking about but never actually claimed in court (because they didn't happen). And millions upon millions of people are going to believe them despite the best efforts of fact checkers. Then what? This can't be headed in a good direction.
timschochet
Footballguy
Then we have 50 years of people believing in the JFK conspiracy. It’s sucks, it’s frustrating, but life goes on.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
"Sen. David Perdue invites AOC to Georgia to campaign for his rival."
LOL
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timschochet
Footballguy
It’s all they’ve got- try to paint the Democrats as extremist. Perdue and Loeffler need to avoid any mention of their shameful record in office. Hopefully this will fail.
whoknew
Footballguy
Just saw this from Dave Wasserman on twitter. Anyone following this election?
New: last night, Rita Hart (D) netted two votes over Mariannette Miller-Meeks (R) in Jefferson Co.'s recount. Here's where things stand in #IA02: Miller-Meeks (R) 196,880 Hart (D) 196,845 Still 3 counties (Scott, Jasper, Clinton) out of 24 that have yet to finalize recount.
There are unconfirmed reports that Hart is on track to pick up 26 votes in Scott Co.'s recount, 9 votes in Jasper Co. and has picked up 1 vote in Clinton Co. so far. That would put Hart (D) ahead by *a single vote.* We won't know until at least Monday. Hey, every vote counts.
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Pretty crazy.
New: last night, Rita Hart (D) netted two votes over Mariannette Miller-Meeks (R) in Jefferson Co.'s recount. Here's where things stand in #IA02: Miller-Meeks (R) 196,880 Hart (D) 196,845 Still 3 counties (Scott, Jasper, Clinton) out of 24 that have yet to finalize recount.
There are unconfirmed reports that Hart is on track to pick up 26 votes in Scott Co.'s recount, 9 votes in Jasper Co. and has picked up 1 vote in Clinton Co. so far. That would put Hart (D) ahead by *a single vote.* We won't know until at least Monday. Hey, every vote counts.
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Pretty crazy.
Mile High
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jwb
Footballguy
I don't think this will work beyond the hardcore base who are still on board.
Strictly anecdotal, but in my circle, amongst the "non-fanatical" Trump voters, they are now seeing him as a bit of a sore loser, and just wish he'd stop.
shader
Footballguy
Their goal is to get the legislatures to choose different electors.
This idea was floated on social media 4 years ago by the left, (Hamilton electors) but I don’t believe any real effort was made to try and get this to happen at that time.
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shader
Footballguy
They can do whatever their state laws allow. The electoral college hasn’t happened yet
shader
Footballguy
Apparently he’s not coming now because....someone on his staff has COVID. You can’t write this stuff
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
State law doesn't allow this in PA for sure. I am pretty sure not in Michigan either. This isn't really a strategy.
sho nuff
Footballguy
That has been the strategy all along. Seems to be his strategy with everything...tell everyone how great you are doing and how awesome you are and enough of them will believe it.
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
Trump's trip cancelled due to team lawyer testing positive for Covid.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8986719/Donald-Trump-CANCELS-plan-watch-Rudy-Giuliani-make-claims-voter-fraud-Gettysburg.html
Doug B
Footballguy
Without research ... I feel totally confident that all 50 states have hard constraints in their laws on how electors get nominated for the electoral college.
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