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Attorney General Of PA: "If all the votes are added up in PA, Trump is going to lose." (1 Viewer)
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dgreen
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The truth of the statement seems irrelevant to me. I think the issue is more about who said it. I don't know enough about the job description of state AGs to know if this is out of bounds or not, but it sure feels like something that shouldn't be said. The AG should just say something like "Pennsylvania is committed to accurately counting every vote and I am confident you can trust our results."
Widbil83
Footballguy
Joe Bryant said:
I posted this in the Trump thread yesterday, this is absolutely crazy. If this guy were a Republican the media would be calling for him to step down and be charged with election tampering.
The Republicans better have every lawyer they got there because this guy just gave away the plan to make Trump lose one way or another.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
It was an error to say this. I can understand how he feels that this is an adversarial relationship with Trump because of all the lawsuits he has to defend against, but he should still try and be the bigger man. It's minor compared to some of the other miscues, but he should just keep quiet.
mrip541
Footballguy
If by "to make Trump lose one way or another" you meant "to count all the votes" then you'd be correct.
I posted this in the Trump thread yesterday, this is absolutely crazy. If this guy were a Republican the media would be calling for him to step down and be charged with election tampering.
The Republicans better have every lawyer they got there because this guy just gave away the plan to make Trump lose one way or another.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
The plan for Trump to lose is counting every vote?
I posted this in the Trump thread yesterday, this is absolutely crazy. If this guy were a Republican the media would be calling for him to step down and be charged with election tampering.
The Republicans better have every lawyer they got there because this guy just gave away the plan to make Trump lose one way or another.
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
This isn't Josh at the barbershop with an opinion.
He's the Attorney General for the State of Pennsylvania.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SD-Flzk3lHgV0WPW_FK4IiX1JWaG_KN8EIU99CfcTD0/edit#gid=1226035887
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
So it is his job to reassure the voters of Pennsylvania that despite Trump's constant attacks that their vote will count.
Doug B
Footballguy
I don't think it's a problematic thing for Shapiro to tweet IF Pennsylvania's Attorney General has no possible or potential role in determining the outcome of the election. That would depend on specific Pennsylvania law, though.CentralPA said:
In Louisiana, it would be fine for Attorney General Jeff Landry to endorse a presidential candidate. It would not be fine for Louisiana Secretary of State Kyle Ardoin or Commissioner of Elections Sherri Wharton Hadskey to endorse a candidate. Same goes for, say, a Louisiana Supreme Court justice, who could be called to rule on a contentious election matter.
BigJim®
Footballguy
Wait, AGs represent the people and not the party? And throwaway comments are important but real and consequential actions of an AG are acceptable? I'm sorry, I honestly think there is something wrong with what PA AG said, but the contradictions in play here are just too rich.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Yes, and he lives in America and is entitled to an opinion. I can agree that it was a reckless comment, but yesterday the president stated that his lawyers would be filing suits at 8pm Tuesday to stop counting. The AG is talking about counting all the votes, and predicts Trump will lose if that happens. Team trump has stated they will be filing suit to not count those votes, so i guess maybe I’m jumping to the conclusion that they would only be doing this if they thought they would have a better chance at winning.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Its not quite Katherine Harris level of awful, but extremely improper and a strong indication he should not have that job. The fact is, our civil servants at local, state and federal level have become largely politicized over the past 30 years or so, and we all suffer from the consequences.
H Jass
Footballguy
jm192
Footballguy
I know man.
Trump is so evil, that Dems shouldn't be held to any standards. Is that an accurate assessment? Because that's how these posts read to me. Trump bad. We do less bad. OK if we do less bad.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Many Attorney Generals say way more political stuff than the public expects. There's a reason almost all are associated with a political party though, whether they are elected or appointed to the office.
If you've driven anywhere west of Philly in PA, you pretty much know that Trump signs are everywhere. If you get to western PA outside of Pittsburgh you'll see more confederate flags than anywhere else in the country. And I can only assume they aren't voting Democrat.
So the AG's thought that PA is somehow predestined to vote for Biden if all votes are counted is dumb. Although I do think the state will go to Biden. Philly and Pitt areas can easily outvote the rest of the state.
If you've driven anywhere west of Philly in PA, you pretty much know that Trump signs are everywhere. If you get to western PA outside of Pittsburgh you'll see more confederate flags than anywhere else in the country. And I can only assume they aren't voting Democrat.
So the AG's thought that PA is somehow predestined to vote for Biden if all votes are counted is dumb. Although I do think the state will go to Biden. Philly and Pitt areas can easily outvote the rest of the state.
mrip541
Footballguy
Nothing Trump or the GOP does or says matters for 4 years but a Dem defending his state against the president's lies is an outrage? Please.
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jm192
Footballguy
I applaud those of you who are honest enough to acknowledge that this is a bad look.
This place is unbearable at times, and I stop coming for months at a time because no matter what anyone does--"Well Trump did this first, so this really is ok." You hate Trump because he doesn't meet your standards, but gladly let the Dem officials walk under the same bar--because, well, Trump did it.
This place is unbearable at times, and I stop coming for months at a time because no matter what anyone does--"Well Trump did this first, so this really is ok." You hate Trump because he doesn't meet your standards, but gladly let the Dem officials walk under the same bar--because, well, Trump did it.
Zow
Footballguy
While I acknowledge this is a #whataboutism, Bill Barr, on behalf of the United States, recently filed a motion to join the country as a defendant in a personal lawsuit against Trump. For the non-lawyers, this means that Trump and his personal money were being sued but Barr then voluntarily tried to come in and insert the USA (us, the taxpayers as a defendant). This has the practical effect of offering a much deeper pocket to the Plaintiff and protecting Trump. At best, Barr did this to delay the case to advantage Trump. At worst, he was basically maneuvering to have the USA pay for any monetary liabilities Trump could have been personally facing. If unclear, Barr opted to do this - which, to me, is malpractice because he opted to expose his client to liability when none was even sought by the Plaintiff.
Do you see this as better or worse than what the PA AG did and why?
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jm192
Footballguy
He's actively undermining confidence in the results.
HIS job is to make sure there's a fair election process. He's saying any world in which Trump wins, the process was cheated. If the process is cheated, he didn't do his job.
jm192
Footballguy
When are people allowed to be outraged at something a Dem does or says? Please ####### tell me when I can have permission.
Everything bad thing a Dem does is pardoned by Trump's previous bad behavior. So you don't really care about bad behavior. You just don't want Trump to do it.
parrot
Footballguy
Trump is threatening to bring in lawyers to stop votes from being counted, the PA AG is saying that's because he knows if they are counted he will lose. There is nothing similar in intent about those two statements.
mrip541
Footballguy
I think that if people want things to suddenly matter again now that Trump is headed out the door they've got another thing coming.
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dgreen
Footballguy
My suggestion is to de-escalate this conversation. I’d like you to be around all day, especially tonight.
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
He actively promoting confidence in the results. Not even Trump disagrees with the premise that if every vote is counted than Trump loses. Those seeding doubts are on the other side, those being written about in the article.
Doug B
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Not the smartest thing to say but the Trump administration has been hell bent on discounting as many votes as they can, however they can. I don't think it is a good look for either Shapiro or the President.
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
This democrat did nothing other than respond to the integrity of the election he is protecting. There is no bad behavior to defend. Maybe a bit of misjudgment on the exact wording, but no inappropriate behavior.
Boston
Footballguy
From his statement part of his role appears to be to know exactly what the results will be prior to the actual votes being counted.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
I think this is a "two wrongs don't make a right" situation.
I'd imagine AG Shapiro wouldn't have said anything if the President himself has been formulating both an idea that he can't lose as long as there's no cheating and that he would like to see not all the votes counted in PA.
Shapiro should have taken the partisan slant out of his comment.....even to the point of saying something like " For the past few weeks Republicans have been trying to delegitimize votes in PA while the President Trump himself has been claiming that he can't lose if there's not cheating in the booths......but we all know that if all the in PA are counted fairly...the will of the people will prevail" ......... but I'm not going to burn a man at the stake for an 11th hour partisan retort to a hot topic issue in which the leader of the Party opposed to him has been lobbing at grenades at for the past few weeks.
Hand slappable offense....dont' do it again.....you're above this .....move on.
I'm sure it is a "pearl clutching" soundbite on ALL the Conservative media outlets today though.
I'd imagine AG Shapiro wouldn't have said anything if the President himself has been formulating both an idea that he can't lose as long as there's no cheating and that he would like to see not all the votes counted in PA.
Shapiro should have taken the partisan slant out of his comment.....even to the point of saying something like " For the past few weeks Republicans have been trying to delegitimize votes in PA while the President Trump himself has been claiming that he can't lose if there's not cheating in the booths......but we all know that if all the in PA are counted fairly...the will of the people will prevail" ......... but I'm not going to burn a man at the stake for an 11th hour partisan retort to a hot topic issue in which the leader of the Party opposed to him has been lobbing at grenades at for the past few weeks.
Hand slappable offense....dont' do it again.....you're above this .....move on.
I'm sure it is a "pearl clutching" soundbite on ALL the Conservative media outlets today though.
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Zow
Footballguy
In fairness, Trump really is so bombastic, divisive, and brazen that he really does make it hard to discuss anything but him.
I’m with you. Lots and lots of people unable to discuss anything but Trump.
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
No, I mean by statute. Pennsylvania Statute 732, Sections 204-207 are brief reads. Shapiro has no role and will have no role in determining the outcome of the presidential election in Pennsylvania.
parrot
Footballguy
Yes, he should have phrased it differently from the start, but this is pretty much what he said when he made more complete statements.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/11/03/trump-spouts-last-minute-lies-top-pennsylvania-officials-make-clear-election-will
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Thunderlips
Footballguy
That's how Trump wants it. He can't have it both ways.
I’m with you. Lots and lots of people unable to discuss anything but Trump.
Trumps at a 10 on the bombastic scale. If Trump was at an 8 on that scale....he'd have won walking away.
Only way to shut him up is a landslide. Currently underway. I listened to the AG say this. He wasn't endorsing anyone. He pointed out that Trump's lawyers keep trying to suppress the vote and hasn't been successful to a large extent. His supposition was that he's only doing this because he knows he'll lose if they're ALL counted. Then he pointed out that by that logic, Trump will lose if they're all counted.
Boston
Footballguy
That is great to know...so he is involved in voter cases now but won't be with the actual election? There is no chance he will have any involvement at all?
Rich Conway
Footballguy
Guru said comments like this should be disqualifying. I want to know if that stance is universal or dependent on who says it. It's a fair question.
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