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***Official President Joe Biden Thread*** BEST EVER! (1 Viewer)
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timschochet
Footballguy
Unlike that silly reporter, I didn’t misunderstand anything, deliberately or otherwise. You were very clear in your use of offensive language to describe the President. Please stop.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
For what?
For me the line is stuff that you can control vs. stuff that you can't. Ie - I think the piling on of Joe's mental state is a bit gross. I think the piling on of Trump's struggling with the ramp or drinking was in the same vein. To complicate the matter I do think you turn the spotlight on yourself a little if you are constantly talking about being an alpha or making fun of others, but my point remains.
Now, if we are talking choices, lying, whatever.. that's different.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I would guess the report button would have been hit last year if the POTUS was called a turd.
Sparky Big Time
Footballguy
I do not get a sense that Biden supporters feel that the outcomes during his administration are to be viewed as they should in terms of his performance. He seems to be able to misrepresent reality and easily manipulate those in his camp.
I find this factor to be perhaps the most disturbing element.
I find this factor to be perhaps the most disturbing element.
Hey guys, this forum is rated G. No swear words allowed. Simple poo poo children terms are encouraged here FYI. Need an example? Forum search for "turd" results in over 1,800 hits.
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Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
Why after? Why not prior? I'd be for it right now. Let's get congress to make the changes necessary right now.
We do not need any candidates from any party running in 2024 who are too old and mentally in decline. It appears to me that you are just fine with an aged president mentally on the decline if it's the one you'd prefer in office. On the very surface your statement not only appears hypocritical, it actually is.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
because I want Trump to win in 2024 - same reasons liberals wouldn't have wanted an age restriction if it impacted the candidates they would wanted
its not hypocritical - its just the truth and I actually wonder if SC justices shouldn't be forced to retire at a certain age as well
Stealthycat
Footballguy
oh please c'mon man
not a single Democrat/liberal or anti-Trumper can ask conservatives/Republican's to not use offensive language towards Biden - not after the way Trump was treated
precedence was set - how does it feel when its your chosen President getting hammered daily ? not very good huh ?
Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
squistion
Footballguy
Not literally. IIRC the mods were pretty trigger happy in suspending anyone who used language like that referring to Trump or any other politician (like AOC).
Stealthycat
Footballguy
why wouldn't I bet ?
not a Democrat a one would have supported a 60 year old age limit before 2020 ... they wanted Biden, hid him in a cellar, and the puppet was elected
its the games that are played and, there will never be an edit of the age limit - its nice to think about, will NEVER happen
timschochet
Footballguy
Condemning it. Whenever that word was used, or anything similar. I’ve really got a problem with it. I wish you would stop.
squistion
Footballguy
Why, I don't see that language used. And the thread is only 13 hours old, mods may not seen any similar offensive language there (if there is any used by posters).
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Correct. it's not the use of the word like he's pretending it to be. They've stated many times not to call politicians or their supporters names like that.
we aren't talking about examples in his search of me calling Transformers a turd of a movie.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Let's be real clear. Other than possibly the climate change component, the $2 trillion bill has absolutely nothing to do with a "government response to the economy."
It is expansion of government entitlement programs and transfer payments. Plain and simple.
timschochet
Footballguy
Expansion of government entitlements is the proper answer to our long term economic problems.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
...according to the same "economists" who led you to believe seven months ago that inflation wouldn't be a problem. Lol
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
You OK Tim?
You did this a lot before your last self imposed time out and it looks like it's becoming a pattern again.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Please expand on this position. I'm not sure I agree, but I want to hear your reasoning.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
I’m fine. I don’t like rude behavior so I call it out.NorvilleBarnes said:
timschochet
Footballguy
It’s not that complicated. I’m a big believer in capitalism but I‘ve also become a firm believer that it needs to be helped along at times. The entitlement programs being proposed, particularly in terms of better health care and child care, are standard in most developed countries around the world. If we are to compete in the global marketplace we need to do the same.Snotbubbles said:
Even more importantly, we have reached one of those periods in economic history where new technology eliminates old industries and creates job displacement. That’s not necessarily a bad thing long term, but the disruption in the meantime hurts a lot of people. Rather than attempt to protect and preserve the old industries (Trump’s idea, which I believe cannot succeed), the answer is to invest heavily in helping people adjust to the new ones (Biden’s idea.)
Stoneworker
Footballguy
The Entitlements of U.S. Decline: Biden says his plans will make America great again. Ask Europe how that has turned out.
You have to admire the audacity of pitching higher taxes and more social welfare as the path to national revival, especially when the global evidence is the opposite. The result of Mr. Biden’s expanded entitlements is likely to be reduced incentives to work and invest, slower economic growth, lower living standards, and less fiscal space for essential public goods like national defense.
That’s the lesson from Europe’s cradle-to-grave welfare states, which Bernie Sanders explicitly pitches as models. Most have older populations than the U.S., but this alone doesn’t account for their lower labor participation rates and much higher structural unemployment.
Europe’s little-discussed secret is that its cradle-to-grave welfare states are financed by the middle class via value-added and payroll taxes.
The irony is that some European governments have tried to reform their tax and welfare systems to become more competitive.
Source: WSJ
You have to admire the audacity of pitching higher taxes and more social welfare as the path to national revival, especially when the global evidence is the opposite. The result of Mr. Biden’s expanded entitlements is likely to be reduced incentives to work and invest, slower economic growth, lower living standards, and less fiscal space for essential public goods like national defense.
That’s the lesson from Europe’s cradle-to-grave welfare states, which Bernie Sanders explicitly pitches as models. Most have older populations than the U.S., but this alone doesn’t account for their lower labor participation rates and much higher structural unemployment.
Europe’s little-discussed secret is that its cradle-to-grave welfare states are financed by the middle class via value-added and payroll taxes.
The irony is that some European governments have tried to reform their tax and welfare systems to become more competitive.
Source: WSJ
The guy that says all Trump women are ugly has a problem with the word "turd". LMFAO
Phil Elliott
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
And he got a one month suspension for that, no? Also, I believe he admitted he was wrong in saying that...will you do the same with your characterization of Biden today and retract it?
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timschochet
Footballguy
The problem with articles like these is that they’re too absolutist. Sure I don’t believe in cradle to grave either. That’s Bernie’s idea; he’s not going to get it. There’s a reason we Democrats didn’t elect Bernie. We don’t want that.
What we want is better childcare and improved healthcare, and better education. If you’re opposed to these ideas then argue against them. But don’t bother arguing against socialism ; it’s not on the table and if it were I would oppose it.
timschochet
Footballguy
I was wrong to write that even as a joke. I was suspended for a month for it. I came back and apologized.
I don’t think YOURE joking. Are you willing to apologize? Are you willing to ban yourself for a month?
I was pointing out the hypocrisy.
In no universe, except the blue lib bubble you find in here are those two things remotely the same. JFC
No apology, it's a craptastic administration by any measure and that is being nice.
rustycolts
Footballguy
Yea Carter was actually a decent human being. The guy in office now not so much.lod001 said:
timschochet
Footballguy
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Yes. Free child care, free pre-K, free college, paid family leave and massively subsidized senior care is indeed cradle to grave.
And are you kidding? This has Bernie's fingerprints all over it starting with Biden's appt of him to head the budget process...but thankfully Manchin and Sinema are making him bend the knee.
If you're for this type of European model, then fine. Just please stop otherwise touting your support of "capitalism."
And most definitely Ronald Reagan as you've done elsewhere. He is surely rolling in his grave at the prospect of Biden's enormous expansion of government.
timschochet
Footballguy
I don’t agree with Reagan’s view of government, not anymore. But I revere Ronald Reagan as a tremendous human being, a champion of freedom and one of our outstanding Presidents.
timschochet
Footballguy
And no it isn’t unless you’re willing to expand the meaning of the term. To me “cradle to grave” means free everything for each citizen paid for by the state: in other words, socialism.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Fine. We can play this game all day and you will lose all day.
Using your own definitions, pure logic says that when a government expands its cradle to grave entitlements through increased subsidies and free stuff, it moves the country closer to socialism.
squistion
Footballguy
I was pointing out the hypocrisy.
In no universe, except the blue lib bubble you find in here are those two things remotely the same. JFC
No apology, it's a craptastic administration by any measure and that is being nice.
Really? You were the one who made a comparison between the two, so they are a lot more than remotely the same in your universe too.
timschochet
Footballguy
Sure and every time I spend money it moves me closer to being financially destitute. But I don’t plan on getting there.
Again: if you oppose these programs fine. But then argue against them. Specifically. What’s wrong, for instance, with the government providing better care for senior citizens who can’t afford the help they need? How will such a thing be a detriment to our society?
RIFReally? You were the one who made a comparison between the two, so they are a lot more than remotely the same in your universe too.
Comparison <> Equivalence
It helps highlight my point of hypocrisy that Tim's comment was a 1000x more, different universe, of "rude".
HTH
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supermike80
Footballguy
Dude. Stop it. Youre trying to say that because Biden isn't constantly locked in his basement that it means he's not being handled. Your position is also absurd if you claim mine is. He can certainly be awake for a couple hours a day. As far as your senators saying he's on the phone all day gee whiz I wonder what party they belong to.timschochet said:
You've shown yourself to be easily manipulated Tim and youre doing it again.
But yes. Its conjecture. Im not privy to every move he makes everyday. I just go by what I see and unlike you I make my opinions without having them being given to me by the msm
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Stoneworker
Footballguy
Absolutely nothing per se. But all entitlement programs should be prioritized and then created/expanded only in proportion to a government's ability to afford them.
Hard investments in infrastructure (including climate) have proven ROI and are in alignment with government's proper role.
Following that, adequately fund Medicare and SS, reserve for future interest payments when interest rates inevitably rise (this will be a massive hit), then at least stop the bleeding on the annual budget deficit.
After that we can talk.
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