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***Official President Joe Biden Thread*** BEST EVER! (2 Viewers)

Summer Wheat said:
The latest Harvard- Harris Poll found that voters overwhelmingly reject Biden’s agenda, too, with nearly 60% of voters opposing Biden’s socialist spending package. 
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This doesn’t match what I’m reading. Every poll I’ve seen Build Back Better suggests that the majority of Americans support it. 

 
Summer Wheat said:
President Joe Biden’s job approval rating is in free fall – and it’s not just Republicans saying so.

A recent USA TODAY/Suffolk Poll found 59% of voters disapprove of Biden’s job performance, while Vice President Kamala Harris’ approval rating sits at an embarrassing 28%. A stunning 46% of those surveyed believe Biden is doing a worse job as president than expected, including 16% who supported him at the ballot box last year. 

The latest Harvard- Harris Poll found that voters overwhelmingly reject Biden’s agenda, too, with nearly 60% of voters opposing Biden’s socialist spending package. And according to CNN’s latest poll, a majority of Americans say Biden isn't paying attention to the nation's most important issues.
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I would be curious how many if those polled knew what was in the BBB package.  

 
Got to give Biden credit for admitting his failures as he finally figures out Trump was right and reinstates Remain in Mexico. About time.  :thumbup:

 
KarmaPolice said:
So excited you needed to put it in multiple threads! 
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It's that big of a crisis.  And the hypocrisy, oh the hypocrisy.   :lmao:

And in case you missed it. One is Momalas border, what they are doing about it. The other in the Biden thread giving him credit.  

 
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To be fair it looks like the court ordered him to reinstate it. But people crying that he expanded it to include Haitians and Jamaicans.   :lol:

 
timschochet said:
This doesn’t match what I’m reading. Every poll I’ve seen Build Back Better suggests that the majority of Americans support it. 
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Except Senator Sinema doesn’t support it and that’s all that matters.

 
timschochet said:
This doesn’t match what I’m reading. Every poll I’ve seen Build Back Better suggests that the majority of Americans support it. 
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Woah hold the phone...You mean polls can tell TWO different stories?  What?  How can that be????

 
For full transparency.

Empty Nester

Paid Daycare, high New England property taxes, and private school tuition consuming a significant % of my income forcing us to have little or no disposable income

Paying final years of children university tuition so they can graduate debt free.

I now live in a southern state with low property taxes.

At my age I see no benefits for my wife and I in BBB.  

Unlike when many empty nesters get upset at local govt for tax hikes I support local govt tax hikes because money goes into schools and local infrastructure which attracts jobs (have had tremendous success in luring business here) and our public schools are amazing and this in turn has led to increase in property values.  US Govt should worry on securing our borders strengthening our military and work on foreign policy.  Let States handle everything else.

 
GordonGekko said:
Direct Headline: For Sale Now: U.S.-Supplied Weapons in Afghan Gun Shops

The equipment was originally provided to the Afghan security forces under a U.S. training and assistance program that cost American taxpayers more than $83 billion through two decades of war.

By Ruhullah Khapalwak and David Zucchino Oct. 15, 2021

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/world/asia/us-weapons-afghanistan.html

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GoBirds, my Conservative brother, I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you here.

If you were a terrorist leader, and you wanted billions of dollars in weapons, paid for by US tax dollars no less, so you could use them in future terrorist acts to slaughter innocent Americans and their Western allies for decades upon decades to come, then Joe Biden did an incredible job for you to fulfill all your wants and needs.

Also if you were not just a terrorist leader, but also a serial rapist and pedophile, then Joe Biden's mind boggling idiotic withdrawal from Afghanistan just gave you a target rich environment of 11 and 12 year old Afghan girls as war brides and abandoned American women so you could gang rape and sodomize to your hearts content. I would say Joe Biden did an incredible job to help you fulfill every sadistic personal fantasy you've ever dreamed of, well when you weren't planning to kill Americans very soon with their own weapons.

Billions upon countless billions of our tax dollars, not spent on our schools nor our teachers nor building libraries and public parks for the sake of our children but cashed out to ensure the future well being of terrorists, rapists and pedophiles. 

Now GoBirds, you know what is going to happen next right? ( Not source policing since I cited the NY Times, interesting how I did that, right? ) Since no one can refute anything I just said, some of the radical woke leftists will have to do what they've always done and scour my posting history to see if they can find anything to use the Report Button on to get me banned. Because silence is the only weapon left to counter the egregiously indefensible.

I hate to disagree with you, my friend. Merry Xmas to you and yours.
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And how many more decades were we supposed to stay? How many more dead Americans for people that wouldn't fight for their own country? How many more billions wasted? 

This was a lost cause and what Biden did was stick to the deal Trump made by the way which you seem to have conveniently been silent on all by yourself.

 
NCCommish said:
And how many more decades were we supposed to stay? How many more dead Americans for people that wouldn't fight for their own country? How many more billions wasted? 

This was a lost cause and what Biden did was stick to the deal Trump made by the way which you seem to have conveniently been silent on all by yourself.
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Sure.  But Biden got a bunch of people killed for making bad decisions and not listening to his military leaders when he did it.  That's on him.   

 
crackattack said:
Afghanistan withdrawal was cluster you know what. I'm glad we're out, and I'm glad Biden ripped that band aid off. 
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You do know there are 23 Million Afghans facing starvation this winter as the government collapsed and aid is being withheld because of the Taliban. Estimates are up to 3 million people could die over the next 6 months if things don't change. 

 
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tonydead said:
Sure.  But Biden got a bunch of people killed for making bad decisions and not listening to his military leaders when he did it.  That's on him.   
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If he listened to them we'd still be there. I'm glad he didn't. I'm sorry about the deaths but if we stayed we'd have had a lot more than we did. This was over and we lost. We should've declared victory after killing OBL. We had accomplished everything we said we were there for. But instead we stayed so the MIC could make more billions while we needed that money at home.

 
Max Power said:
You do know there are 23 Million Afghans facing starvation this winter as the government collapsed and aid is being withheld because of the Taliban. Estimates are up to 3 million people could die overf the next 6 months if things don't change. 
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Whenever we pulled out this would've happened. We set up a corrupt government,  we paid people to be in the security forces who had no loyalty to a national government and we did little to actually help the people. Destined to be an epic failure.

 
NCCommish said:
Whenever we pulled out this would've happened. We set up a corrupt government,  we paid people to be in the security forces who had no loyalty to a national government and we did little to actually help the people. Destined to be an epic failure.
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And sitting on our hands 6 months later while people starve to death is our best option?  Don't play the we knew what was going to happen card and act like this is acceptable. 

 
Max Power said:
And sitting on our hands 6 months later while people starve to death is our best option?  Don't play the we knew what was going to happen card and act like this is acceptable. 
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 I'm all for providing any and all humanitarian help we can but not one more dollar or life fighting anyone. And my guess is there would be a howl go up from all sides that we were helping the Taliban by providing relief. So no one wants to pay the political price or take the media backlash. 

And personally I am far more concerned by people here going hungry, without medicine, without housing than I am what's happening somewhere else.

 
NCCommish said:
 I'm all for providing any and all humanitarian help we can but not one more dollar or life fighting anyone. And my guess is there would be a howl go up from all sides that we were helping the Taliban by providing relief. So no one wants to pay the political price or take the media backlash. 

And personally I am far more concerned by people here going hungry, without medicine, without housing than I am what's happening somewhere else.
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If you're acknowledging that politics will come before human life with this administration, I can agree there.  

I too think we should prioritize the home front.  I just can't stand by and watch people tout our Afghanistan pullout as a Biden accomplishment without acknowledging the situation we helped create currently.  Biden is responsible for that as well.  

 
Max Power said:
And sitting on our hands 6 months later while people starve to death is our best option?  Don't play the we knew what was going to happen card and act like this is acceptable. 
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I don't think it's acceptable at all. The brave men of Afghanistan will probably be fine stuffing their faces around the fire as their women and children starve.

 
Summer Wheat said:
President Joe Biden’s job approval rating is in free fall – and it’s not just Republicans saying so.

A recent USA TODAY/Suffolk Poll found 59% of voters disapprove of Biden’s job performance, while Vice President Kamala Harris’ approval rating sits at an embarrassing 28%. A stunning 46% of those surveyed believe Biden is doing a worse job as president than expected, including 16% who supported him at the ballot box last year. 

The latest Harvard- Harris Poll found that voters overwhelmingly reject Biden’s agenda, too, with nearly 60% of voters opposing Biden’s socialist spending package. And according to CNN’s latest poll, a majority of Americans say Biden isn't paying attention to the nation's most important issues.
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Not a suprise.   I voted for Biden because I felt there was no other choice. Do I like him now?  Not really. Quite frankly he is too old I mean he will be 80 next year and appears incompetent even in controlled public settings. If he is or is not that is the vibe he gives off.

My friends who were all pumped up for Biden now never say a word about him...I mean nothing. You would think they would be happy and singing his praises but  Bidens name is never mentioned anymore. They just don`t talk about him or just say..well it is a tough job.

 
timschochet said:
She will. 
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Sinema will support BBB once they remove any personal or corporate tax increases, and  she will not allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices.  I believe the sticking points for Manchin is clean energy and family leave.  So yes remove these items from the bill and it will pass.

Maybe Joe can change their minds? No.

 
Max Power said:
If you're acknowledging that politics will come before human life with this administration, I can agree there.  

I too think we should prioritize the home front.  I just can't stand by and watch people tout our Afghanistan pullout as a Biden accomplishment without acknowledging the situation we helped create currently.  Biden is responsible for that as well.  
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2 decades of crappy policy decisions including some Biden had a hand in are responsible. And really at the end of the day so are we all. That's what we all have to start realizing. We are responsible for what is done in our name here at home and abroad.

We have to start evaluating the people we elect through that lens. Until we do there's another Afghanistan right around the corner. There's another kid going to bed hungry right here. There's another mass shooting to mourn. There's another person dying because they had to ration their medication. There's another generation lost to neural issues due to lead in their water. That's on us. Thoughts and prayers ain't getting it done.

 
NCCommish said:
2 decades of crappy policy decisions including some Biden had a hand in are responsible. And really at the end of the day so are we all. That's what we all have to start realizing. We are responsible for what is done in our name here at home and abroad.

We have to start evaluating the people we elect through that lens. Until we do there's another Afghanistan right around the corner. There's another kid going to bed hungry right here. There's another mass shooting to mourn. There's another person dying because they had to ration their medication. There's another generation lost to neural issues due to lead in their water. That's on us. Thoughts and prayers ain't getting it done.
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Definitely bigger picture issues are at play here.  Mistakes were made through multiple administrations. I hope we do review and improve, but we have time for that.

The current crisis in Afghanistan is cooking right now though and it requires action.  This is a decision on Biden's plate that doesn't have resolution yet and will be attached to him throughout history.  

 
Max Power said:
Definitely bigger picture issues are at play here.  Mistakes were made through multiple administrations. I hope we do review and improve, but we have time for that.

The current crisis in Afghanistan is cooking right now though and it requires action.  This is a decision on Biden's plate that doesn't have resolution yet and will be attached to him throughout history.  
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Ok so honest question you're the president what do you do?

 
New CNBC small business owners poll shows that only 34 percent of small business owners approve of the job Biden is doing.  This will not fare well for the Dems come midterms, or Joe in 2024.

 
tonysmiles said:
For full transparency.

Empty Nester

Paid Daycare, high New England property taxes, and private school tuition consuming a significant % of my income forcing us to have little or no disposable income

Paying final years of children university tuition so they can graduate debt free.

I now live in a southern state with low property taxes.

At my age I see no benefits for my wife and I in BBB.  

Unlike when many empty nesters get upset at local govt for tax hikes I support local govt tax hikes because money goes into schools and local infrastructure which attracts jobs (have had tremendous success in luring business here) and our public schools are amazing and this in turn has led to increase in property values.  US Govt should worry on securing our borders strengthening our military and work on foreign policy.  Let States handle everything else.
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Wouldn't you like your kids to not have to worry about these things?  My kids just finished with paid daycare, and it's a huge relief for us.  We make good money and it was a burden for us.  I cannot imagine what lower income households face.

 
Da Guru said:
Not a suprise.   I voted for Biden because I felt there was no other choice. Do I like him now?  Not really. Quite frankly he is too old I mean he will be 80 next year and appears incompetent even in controlled public settings. If he is or is not that is the vibe he gives off.

My friends who were all pumped up for Biden now never say a word about him...I mean nothing. You would think they would be happy and singing his praises but  Bidens name is never mentioned anymore. They just don`t talk about him or just say..well it is a tough job.
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The only surprise here is to hear there were people all pumped up for Biden. 

Sometimes I see people say "but he doesn't have enthusiastic supporters like (other politicians)".

Yeah, exactly. That's part of the point. This isn't a dictatorship. There's a reason the Executive branch is last in the articles and that the original powers granted the executive are very limited. We're Americans. We don't like kings, or at least we didn't used to.

 
Dickies said:
Wouldn't you like your kids to not have to worry about these things?  My kids just finished with paid daycare, and it's a huge relief for us.  We make good money and it was a burden for us.  I cannot imagine what lower income households face.
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Most States have programs geared exclusively for low income households that pays for daycare.  

 
stlrams said:
Most States have programs geared exclusively for low income households that pays for daycare.  
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This is true but there's a huge percentage of households that make just enough to not qualify and not enough for it to not be a burden. This is part of the reason for workers, especially, women dropping out of the workforce. Its cheaper to stay home when one person's income is eaten up by daycare costs. Or they make just a little more than the daycare costs and they need that to keep their heads above water and actually feed those kids. So help with daycare is for more than just the poor. It's for the working poor and the lower to mid middle class as well. That's a lot of families that would benefit.

 
NCCommish said:
Ok so honest question you're the president what do you do?
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Temporarily legitimize the Taliban as the official government of Afghanistan. The people need the aid. Terms need to be set and enforced.

If its given to them and they squander it, it's further proof they aren't up to the task or to be recognized. I think this is the lesser of all evils. 

 
Max Power said:
Temporarily legitimize the Taliban as the official government of Afghanistan. The people need the aid. Terms need to be set and enforced.

If its given to them and they squander it, it's further proof they aren't up to the task or to be recognized. I think this is the lesser of all evils. 
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I can support this 100%. We legitimize regimes just as bad everyday so why not as this would be at least for a good cause.

 
NCCommish said:
I can support this 100%. We legitimize regimes just as bad everyday so why not as this would be at least for a good cause.
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I don't think this government can reward the Taliban with their atrocities.  The Russians and Chinese are moving in to rape the land of their useful minerals.  Let them prop up this abomination.

 
Max Power said:
If you're acknowledging that politics will come before human life with this administration, I can agree there.  

I too think we should prioritize the home front.  I just can't stand by and watch people tout our Afghanistan pullout as a Biden accomplishment without acknowledging the situation we helped create currently.  Biden is responsible for that as well.  
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Any administration.

And while we are providing them aid since they are starving and dealing with corruption.  I ask do you support the same type of aid for those trying to come to our southern border to escape starvation, poverty, and corruption?  If we want to put politics aside and put human life at the forefront...lets do so everywhere.  We have created a lot of crap situations all over the world...politics has always played a part of who and where we actually help.

Lets also not pretend politicians care at all about people in need unless it can help them politically...or hurt their political opposition.

 
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The US should work with UN, humanitarian agencies, which ever group is best positioned to aid in this part of the world in helping out the people of Afghanistan. Assist in coordination, logistics, thats about it. 

 
sho nuff said:
Any administration.

And while we are providing them aid since they are starving and dealing with corruption.  I ask do you support the same type of aid for those trying to come to our southern border to escape starvation, poverty, and corruption?  If we want to put politics aside and put human life at the forefront...lets do so everywhere.  We have created a lot of crap situations all over the world...politics has always played a part of who and where we actually help.

Lets also not pretend politicians care at all about people in need unless it can help them politically...or hurt their political opposition.
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I support aid to those in need. I don't support open border policies. 

 
Max Power said:
I support aid to those in need. I don't support open border policies. 
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So...does caring about life end when it comes to those seeking to come into our country from the south?  Are we for good politics...or human life.  Seemed that was important when it comes to Afghanistan...why not there as well.

And Im not saying open borders either.  Nor am I saying the Biden administration has been good at the border...they have been a failure.  But the Remain in Mexico policy is a bad one.  it is not sustainable...nor is it showing care for human life.

 
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