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The Reality For Conservatives If Biden Wins (1 Viewer)

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@Ben & Jerry's made an excellent point:

I think if Biden wins, Conservatives will see a lot of the doom and gloom won't ever come to fruition. With a Senate majority, the most likely outcome is 4 years of gridlock.

DC and Puerto Rico aren't going to become states.

The Green New Deal was just floated to energize the base.

Fracking and fossil fuels aren't going away any time soon.

Supreme Court packing doesn't happen

They aren't going to take your guns away.

Hopefully in 2024 better candidates from both parties will emerge.
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I've said before I think I have a unique perspective as someone who'd voted Democratic for the POTUS since Bill Clinton but have a lot of close friends who are conservative. From my view, I think Ben and Jerry's post is spot on. 

 
Joe Bryant said:
Hopefully in 2024 better candidates from both parties will emerge.
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Change this to better ideas IMO. Trump isn't an idea guy obviously, he has slogans but not a lot of well thought out plans for the country. Look no further than healthcare. 

Biden has more detailed plans but the election results show they aren't overly popular (with either side it seems).

Beyond all that, the whole process has become so much about identity and the leaders and if that doesn't change, and the focus doesn't shift to coming up with new ideas to run on in 2024, it's just going to be the same thing all over again. 

 
I am looking for for more "middle ground" types in the future as I think younger voters should.   I am exhausted from far left and far righters views as they only continue to divide the country.  What does concern me is that maybe that has been the plan all along.

 
Summer Wheat said:
I am looking for for more "middle ground" types in the future as I think younger voters should.   I am exhausted from far left and far righters views as they only continue to divide the country.  What does concern me is that maybe that has been the plan all along.
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Whose plan?

 
Joe Bryant said:
@Ben & Jerry's made an excellent point:

I've said before I think I have a unique perspective as someone who'd voted Democratic for the POTUS since Bill Clinton but have a lot of close friends who are conservative. From my view, I think Ben and Jerry's post is spot on. 
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As a centrist my pie in the sky hope is that the Biden presidency and split Congress forces government to work the way it should. Via compromise and meeting the middle. That’s the best possible outcome for this country. Unfortunately the bipartisan working relationship is virtually nonexistent right now, so what is more than likely if Biden wins is four years of nothing consequential happening.  Which after the last four years isn’t a bad thing either.  

 
Joe Bryant said:
@Ben & Jerry's made an excellent point:

I've said before I think I have a unique perspective as someone who'd voted Democratic for the POTUS since Bill Clinton but have a lot of close friends who are conservative. From my view, I think Ben and Jerry's post is spot on. 
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I agree. But then again I am confused as you were thinking of changing your vote from Biden given Kamala’s equality comment.

How do you reconcile that with what I think is a very rational belief above?  Is it just because the senate didn’t flip but if it did we would all be living under socialism?

 
Joe Bryant said:
@Ben & Jerry's made an excellent point:

I've said before I think I have a unique perspective as someone who'd voted Democratic for the POTUS since Bill Clinton but have a lot of close friends who are conservative. From my view, I think Ben and Jerry's post is spot on. 
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I strongly agree.  To be honest, I never thought that court packing or similar shenanigans were ever going to happen anyway because Biden isn't that sort of guy, but a GOP senate shuts the door on that for good.  Assuming Biden holds on to win the presidency, I'm extremely pleased with the outcome of this election.

 
dkp993 said:
As a centrist my pie in the sky hope is that the Biden presidency and split Congress forces government to work the way it should. Via compromise and meeting the middle. That’s the best possible outcome for this country. Unfortunately the bipartisan working relationship is virtually nonexistent right now, so what is more than likely if Biden wins is four years of nothing consequential happening.  Which after the last four years isn’t a bad thing either.  
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What's he gonna do with the economy? 

I'm giving up hope that there will be affordable health insurance for middle class private sector.  I don't know about y'all, but my insurance crap,  and I pay a lot for it.

 
Summer Wheat said:
I am looking for for more "middle ground" types in the future as I think younger voters should.   I am exhausted from far left and far righters views as they only continue to divide the country.  What does concern me is that maybe that has been the plan all along.
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And this is what I don't understand.  If Biden isn't middle ground, I don't know what that term means anymore...especially in the space of healthcare.  If "give a public option that people can choose if they don't like their employer healthcare and/or provide at really reduced rates for people who can't afford healthcare" isn't in the middle of "government takes it all over and runs everything" and "keep the government out of it completely and let the private sector handle it" I don't what is.

 
Manster said:
What's he gonna do with the economy? 

I'm giving up hope that there will be affordable health insurance for middle class private sector.  I don't know about y'all, but my insurance crap,  and I pay a lot for it.
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My guess is short term 1-2 years, assuming COVID doesn’t get super crazy again, he continues the basic recovery trend we are on, as Trump did with the economy he inherited.  Long term? Remains to be seen but I’m not concerned, I would have been with Bernie or Warren.  

 
The Commish said:
And this is what I don't understand.  If Biden isn't middle ground, I don't know what that term means anymore...especially in the space of healthcare.  If "give a public option that people can choose if they don't like their employer healthcare and/or provide at really reduced rates for people who can't afford healthcare" isn't in the middle of "government takes it all over and runs everything" and "keep the government out of it completely and let the private sector handle it" I don't what is.
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Oh I really think Biden would really like to be there and would have been had he been elected in 2008 or before, but will be pushed away from the middle this time around. 

Also given his age even is he makes it one term he won`t be running again at 82 years old. I hope I am wrong.

 
Don might make another run in 2024 so they can always hang their hat on the hope of that.    We'll have to see how his health holds up.   

 
IvanKaramazov said:
I strongly agree.  To be honest, I never thought that court packing or similar shenanigans were ever going to happen anyway because Biden isn't that sort of guy, but a GOP senate shuts the door on that for good.  Assuming Biden holds on to win the presidency, I'm extremely pleased with the outcome of this election.
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I think a Biden presidency and a GOP Senate was the optimal outcome.  

 
NutterButter said:
Don might make another run in 2024 so they can always hang their hat on the hope of that.    We'll have to see how his health holds up.   
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I can't see the GOP running him again.

You have to stick with the incumbent who has/had a booming economy.  That was their best chance.  

Now...he's been impeached and voted out by the people.  He's going to go down in a burning heap of flames trying to litigate the vote counting in every competitive state he lost.  I just can't see them going for it.  

 
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Summer Wheat said:
Oh I really think Biden would really like to be there and would have been had he been elected in 2008 or before, but will be pushed away from the middle this time around. 

Also given his age even is he makes it one term he won`t be running again at 82 years old. I hope I am wrong.
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So you think he's going to propose something other than what he's saying he's going to propose in terms of healthcare?  Sorry, not sure I am following what you're saying.

 
jm192 said:
I can't see the GOP running him again.

You have to stick with the incumbent who has/had a booming economy.  That was their best chance.  

Now...he's been impeached and voted out by the people.  He's going to go down in a burning heap of flames trying to litigate the vote counting in every competitive state he lost.  I just can't see them going for it.  
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I don't think they wanted to run him in 2016 and yet here we are

 
The Commish said:
So you think he's going to propose something other than what he's saying he's going to propose in terms of healthcare?  Sorry, not sure I am following what you're saying.
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Sorry.   I am talking in general, not just healthcare. I voted for him because I felt there was no other option but I don`t feel great about it.

 
jm192 said:
Now...he's been impeached and voted out by the people.  He's going to go down in a burning heap of flames trying to litigate the vote counting in every competitive state he lost.  I just can't see them going for it.  
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If I were betting right now I'd put money on Nikkey Haley.  I don't see DJT in office again.

 
Summer Wheat said:
Not ours my friend.
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If the hurdle I have to clear to get somewhere is the Conspiracy Theory Hurdle, I'll just never get there.

Does that mean a couple of times in my life I'll get got? Sure. But I feel pretty comfortable that I'm going to come out ahead the vast majority of the time.

 
bagger said:
I agree. But then again I am confused as you were thinking of changing your vote from Biden given Kamala’s equality comment.

How do you reconcile that with what I think is a very rational belief above?  Is it just because the senate didn’t flip but if it did we would all be living under socialism?
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My worry with Harris and what she clearly promoted about with Equality of Outcomes vs Equality of Opportunity hasn't changed. It wasn't enough to keep me from voting for her and Biden though. :shrug:  

 
I believe Biden is a more middle of the road type guy and I bet deep down inside, he isn't that upset were the GOP to maintain the Senate. This allows him to say to the progressive portion of his party, "Well, I would love to go along with your GreenDealSocialist whatever idea, but we just won't be able to get it done."  If the GOP loses the Senate, I think he is going to be under a lot of pressure to cave to some things, he doesn't necessarily support. But that is just my .02. 

And the GOP needs to start cultivating some new talent. The same old, same old is not going to work anymore. 

 
Thorpe said:
I predict conservatives will all of a sudden care about the debt and limiting executive orders after 4 years of not caring.
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I'd say that's an accurate prediction. LIke we talked about with the "RESIST" shirts and decals, I think we're in for a lot of people seemingly suddenly interested and uninterested in things. It's how it always works. It's life. 

 
Joe Bryant said:
I think if Biden wins, Conservatives will see a lot of the doom and gloom won't ever come to fruition. With a Senate majority, the most likely outcome is 4 years of gridlock.

DC and Puerto Rico aren't going to become states.

The Green New Deal was just floated to energize the base.

Fracking and fossil fuels aren't going away any time soon.

Supreme Court packing doesn't happen

They aren't going to take your guns away.

Hopefully in 2024 better candidates from both parties will emerge.
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none of this was going to happen even with a democratic senate.

 
Courtjester said:
I believe Biden is a more middle of the road type guy and I bet deep down inside, he isn't that upset were the GOP to maintain the Senate. This allows him to say to the progressive portion of his party, "Well, I would love to go along with your GreenDealSocialist whatever idea, but we just won't be able to get it done."  If the GOP loses the Senate, I think he is going to be under a lot of pressure to cave to some things, he doesn't necessarily support. But that is just my .02. 

And the GOP needs to start cultivating some new talent. The same old, same old is not going to work anymore. 
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Agree, but neither side has much talent. Biden is literally the same old, same old. But if you keep doing it long enough, it eventually works again. 

 
Sideshow Bob said:
If the hurdle I have to clear to get somewhere is the Conspiracy Theory Hurdle, I'll just never get there.

Does that mean a couple of times in my life I'll get got? Sure. But I feel pretty comfortable that I'm going to come out ahead the vast majority of the time.
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No hurdles to clear.  I have no doubt that I will come out ahead as well.   Talking about politcally.  Today parties only gain by creating a line in the sand and division.  They want people to come in and just check one straight party line box.

 
TwinTurbo said:
Agree, but neither side has much talent. Biden is literally the same old, same old. But if you keep doing it long enough, it eventually works again. 
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As a conservative, I’m not worried.   Trump is a huge a hole and almost won re-election.   If he kept his mouth shut and played the game of politics, he would have won easily.   Trump is too egotistical to play the game.  Most people didn’t vote for Biden.  They voted against Trump.  

The GOP can hang their hat on the fact that they turned around Obama’s failed economy.  The next GOP candidate just has to run on using Trumps formula on improving the economy.    

 
I think the repubs take away from this is they bring a better candidate, one who is a bit less divisive, and they are alive and well.....there are still enough voters in America that do not want the direction (further left) the Dems are heading.  Maybe Mitt Romney 2024?

 
Joe Bryant said:
@Ben & Jerry's made an excellent point:

I've said before I think I have a unique perspective as someone who'd voted Democratic for the POTUS since Bill Clinton but have a lot of close friends who are conservative. From my view, I think Ben and Jerry's post is spot on. 
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I know the audience is intended to be conservatives freaking out about the left, but in terms of reality setting in this would seem to be a bigger concern for liberals.

 
Manster said:
I think the repubs take away from this is they bring a better candidate, one who is a bit less divisive, and they are alive and well.....there are still enough voters in America that do not want the direction (further left) the Dems are heading.  Maybe Mitt Romney 2024?
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Fat chance. Likely someone most have never heard of like Josh Hawley or Tom Cotton, both of whom will still be under 50.  Assuming Trump loses, I think that eliminates Pence, who would have been the front runner with a Trump victory. 

 
Gridlock = a win for conservatives. The system in itself is heavily set up to slow down and stop progress.  In essence, unless Democrats control both houses and the WHouse, we continue to limp along, without creating solutions and systems to assist those in society who need it the most.  And people continue to be frustrated that gov't isn't working for them.

So frustrating for liberals.  

 
Manster said:
I think the repubs take away from this is they bring a better candidate, one who is a bit less divisive, and they are alive and well.....there are still enough voters in America that do not want the direction (further left) the Dems are heading.  Maybe Mitt Romney 2024?
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Mitt is done nationally--Trump made sure of that. He would not get a vote from any of Trump's core base. Plus we have seen that show before--it is boring and his "binders full of women" comment won't age well in this day and age.

 
Joe Bryant said:
I think if Biden wins, Conservatives will see a lot of the doom and gloom won't ever come to fruition. With a Senate majority, the most likely outcome is 4 years of gridlock.

DC and Puerto Rico aren't going to become states.

The Green New Deal was just floated to energize the base.

Fracking and fossil fuels aren't going away any time soon.

Supreme Court packing doesn't happen

They aren't going to take your guns away.

Hopefully in 2024 better candidates from both parties will emerge.
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I've said before I think I have a unique perspective as someone who'd voted Democratic for the POTUS since Bill Clinton but have a lot of close friends who are conservative. From my view, I think Ben and Jerry's post is spot on. 
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I agree with this.

I think a little gridlock is good, to be honest. It keeps things from going too far any one way - our history is one of gridlock and small compromise. This is why someone like Bernie doesn't get over the hump - the "big" ideas are great, but there are so many moving parts and repercussions that you need to take small steps, and every now again, you can take a bigger one.

I also think repubs are going to be relieved, as will the media. They are all tired of Trump. The repubs will happily take 4 years of Biden (someone who knows the system, has a lot of friends in Washington, and is someone they can work with), and come back in 2024 with a more conventional candidate.

 
DocHolliday said:
As a conservative, I’m not worried.   Trump is a huge a hole and almost won re-election.   If he kept his mouth shut and played the game of politics, he would have won easily.   Trump is too egotistical to play the game.  Most people didn’t vote for Biden.  They voted against Trump.  

The GOP can hang their hat on the fact that they turned around Obama’s failed economy.  The next GOP candidate just has to run on using Trumps formula on improving the economy.    
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Yes same story as last election, where many voted against Hillary. I will vote for GOP or Dem, zero party allegiance. But as I look up and down both aisles and across the political landscape, this may be the least talented, least inspiring crop of politicians that I have ever seen.

 
tommyGunZ said:
Gridlock = a win for conservatives. The system in itself is heavily set up to slow down and stop progress.  In essence, unless Democrats control both houses and the WHouse, we continue to limp along, without creating solutions and systems to assist those in society who need it the most.  And people continue to be frustrated that gov't isn't working for them.

So frustrating for liberals.  
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:goodposting:   conservatives are actually still in a very good place.  their top prizes are still in reach b/c of the new makeup of scotus.  they already got their big tax package and none of that is getting rolled back.   

 
Does the appointment of ACB and the (presuming) revisiting of Roe v. Wade hurt the R's chances in the next cycle?  I'd have to believe that once Roe v. Wade is overturned (and I can't believe it won't be) is the idea of it being now essentially a 50 Legislature battle to eliminate abortion lessen the impact of it on the national scale?  

 
Summer Wheat said:
I am looking for for more "middle ground" types in the future as I think younger voters should.   I am exhausted from far left and far righters views as they only continue to divide the country.  What does concern me is that maybe that has been the plan all along.
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Collectively we need to get away from identity politics. “What’s the other sides policy? Well I believe we should do the opposite.”

Todays climate reminds me of the Western Front 1915-17. Both sides entrenched, stick your head out of trench you’ll get shot down, meaningless short advances reversed by the other side accomplishing the same in an equally futile counterattack.

Maybe start with desperately needed infrastructure funding. Ours is crumbling, less partisan than some of the other bigger ideas.

Just hoping we start listening to one another better instead of merely waiting to speak.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
I strongly agree.  To be honest, I never thought that court packing or similar shenanigans were ever going to happen anyway because Biden isn't that sort of guy, but a GOP senate shuts the door on that for good.  Assuming Biden holds on to win the presidency, I'm extremely pleased with the outcome of this election.
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I think there was a poll on here and i voted biden wins, senate stays GOP.

It was my ideal scenario. Throw in Barrett getting confirmed and this is exactly how I would have scripted it. Hell I even got a tightening of the house and some GOP women. 

 
I dont mind the potential for gridlock for at least 2 years and possibly 4.

The pro is that the federal government is unlikely to expand under divided government. As the two parties are too ideologically entrenched to compromise. They couldnt even meet in the middle between $1.8T and $2.2T in additional spending on Covid relief. 

The con is that the size and scope of the federal government wont be rolled back which would be my preference. 

 
Courtjester said:
Mitt is done nationally--Trump made sure of that. He would not get a vote from any of Trump's core base. Plus we have seen that show before--it is boring and his "binders full of women" comment won't age well in this day and age.
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You might be right, but we most likely have four years of Biden struggling to complete a coherent sentence, inheriting a covid economy mess......I doubt people are going to be huge fans by the end of his term......I was just thinking there's an outside chance Mitt makes a comeback

 
If the Republicans keep the senate it works out perfectly for Biden / Dem establishment. They don't have to do much of anything (except increase war budget and help billionaires... god forbid we don't do that) and they get to blame the Republicans and say "we tried but Mitch is just too strong"

 
These are the main problems I see: 

1. Short term- we need a stimulus. 
2. Middle term- we need to reform healthcare especially if the new SC throws out ACA.

3. Long term- We gotta deal with climate change. I’m not talking Green New Deal but we need to do something. 

 
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