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Trump came in with the presidency, the senate and the house and over 4 years lost all 3 of them. Sometimes you actually do reap what you sow. 

Before and shortly after the election, I was part of the tiny little sliver of the electorate that wanted to see a Biden victory with the GOP retaining control of the senate.  Basically a return to no

I feel bad for the people who are so gripped with fear, and so afraid of everything, that they would support this man just because he talks tough. He's the biggest coward of them all.

1 hour ago, Drunken Cowboy said:

Neither is going to a recount. Ossoff will win by over 1%, double the recount margin.

I hope, so excited over the huge slap to the face of Trump. 

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2 hours ago, Encyclopedia Brown said:

Schumer.

Can we all just take a moment to acknowledge that FINALLY there will be some sense in the world now with New York at the helm?

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2 hours ago, Otis said:

Can we all just take a moment to acknowledge that FINALLY there will be some sense in the world now with New York at the helm?

NYC has been in the White House the last 4 years. 

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10 hours ago, Sinn Fein said:

Thats a shame, if true.

Win with grace, lose with dignity.

I feel like this is worth bumping.  It applies to all of us, not just the candidates.

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6 hours ago, Shatner! said:

Meanwhile...in Trumpland...

@realDonaldTrump: If Vice President @Mike_Pence comes through for us, we will win the Presidency. Many States want to decertify the mistake they made in certifying incorrect & even fraudulent numbers in a process  NOT approved by their State Legislatures (which it must be). Mike can send it back!

@jaketapper: He won’t and 
You won’t and 
They don’t and 
They didn’t and 
It wasn’t and
He can’t 

Otherwise, good tweet 👍🏻

As a law and order type I said at the beginning I'd really like to see Trump stay in office but the house/senate flip.  We'd finally get a proper impeachment and removal from office.  The last stunt in Georgia would make this the lay up of lay ups.  

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Well I am shocked. I was certain that the republicans would win with a portion of Georgia voters deciding to go with split govt. Of course I didn’t expect a deranged man to go and try and convince his base that elections are rigged. In my mind, these Democratic victories are all on Trump. 

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10 minutes ago, The Commish said:

As a law and order type I said at the beginning I'd really like to see Trump stay in office but the house/senate flip.  We'd finally get a proper impeachment and removal from office.  The last stunt in Georgia would make this the lay up of lay ups.  

The Southern District of NY is your huckleberry. 🍿 

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On 11/8/2020 at 11:28 AM, The Commish said:

History shows us that anger motivates more than jubilation.  I don't think this will be particularly close.  If it is, major props for the voodoo Abrams possesses to turn out the vote against odds.  If I am the Dem party, I am absolutely hammering home the fact that this isn't over, that Biden was the first step but not enough and that they need the Senate to stop the "party of no" dead in their tracks.  That would be my message if I was pushing the buttons and pulling the levers of the party.

Well, seems like I'm going to be wrong on this one.  I am kind of surprised at what I'm watching.  Just two years ago during the 2018 elections I remember talking about how impossible it seemed that the Dems would be able to make a dent in the GOP run Senate much less retake it.  Thanks Trump!!!!!!!!  :thumbup: 

Problem of course now is Schumer.  He can't seem to get out of his own way.  At least legislation can start flowing again even if I don't agree with it.

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2 minutes ago, tommyGunZ said:

The Southern District of NY is your huckleberry. 🍿 

I guess....I don't think that does as much for our Democracy as having it remove him from office once and for all though.  

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10 minutes ago, Redwes25 said:

Well I am shocked. I was certain that the republicans would win with a portion of Georgia voters deciding to go with split govt. Of course I didn’t expect a deranged man to go and try and convince his base that elections are rigged. In my mind, these Democratic victories are all on Trump. 

See and I'm not shocked at all, after all the work that was done to flip Georgia to Biden and seeing Trump act like a 5 year old after losing, Warnock was ahead in the regular election, I felt Ossoff was going to pull it off, especially with how Perdue responded when he got owned in the debates and then no showed. 

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Trump cost the gop Georgia 

effectively told gop voters their vote didn’t matter cause the election was fixed

national embarrassment being caught on tape trying to fix the GA vote results

told people they deserved $2000 stimulus and couldn’t deliver

and then the gop vote didn’t turn out

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One time reminder to be cool to each other.

Drop the condescending snark. Drop the victory laps. Zero patience today and we'll likely lose a lot of posters for a while today if people can't be cool to each other. 

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11 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Trump cost the gop Georgia 

effectively told gop voters their vote didn’t matter cause the election was fixed

national embarrassment being caught on tape trying to fix the GA vote results

told people they deserved $2000 stimulus and couldn’t deliver

and then the gop vote didn’t turn out

Probably just me - but I actually don't buy this narrative.

I think turnout for this run-off was historically high - particularly for a stand-alone run-off election.

I don't think "recent" Trump played a big part in voters decisions here - on either side.  I do think the cumulative Trump era played an oversized role.

 

I also think people are ignoring how poor Loeffler and Perdue were as candidates.  They were not Roy Moore level bad, but they were not much better.  

Yes, things devolved rather rapidly over the last few weeks - but there were lots of factors the led up to this.  And, in the end, these results largely mirrored the November presidential election breakdown - suggesting people's party allegiances really did not change in the last couple of months.

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6 hours ago, Shatner! said:

Looks like Ossoff's lead is growing. Now 9,500 ahead!

A cool 16,370 ahead at the moment. Wish I could have stayed awake another two hours to watch this unfold.

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We will get an infrastructure bill done. A bigger stimulus package. MAYBE some improvements to Obamacare, MAYBE some moderate immigration reform, MAYBE some reasonable gun restrictions, MAYBE a partial reverse of Trump’s tax cuts. 
 

But nothing radical, nothing socialist, nothing extreme. Not gonna happen. 

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4 minutes ago, timschochet said:

We will get an infrastructure bill done. A bigger stimulus package. MAYBE some improvements to Obamacare, MAYBE some moderate immigration reform, MAYBE some reasonable gun restrictions, MAYBE a partial reverse of Trump’s tax cuts. 
 

But nothing radical, nothing socialist, nothing extreme. Not gonna happen. 

 I was wondering about Voters Rights Act. It may be considered extreme and in some ways may be partisan.

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2 minutes ago, BigJim® said:

 I was wondering about Voters Rights Act. It may be considered extreme and in some ways may be partisan.

Stuff like this will largely be up to Manchin and a few others. 

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14 minutes ago, timschochet said:

We will get an infrastructure bill done. A bigger stimulus package. MAYBE some improvements to Obamacare, MAYBE some moderate immigration reform, MAYBE some reasonable gun restrictions, MAYBE a partial reverse of Trump’s tax cuts. 
 

But nothing radical, nothing socialist, nothing extreme. Not gonna happen. 

Sounds perfect

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16 minutes ago, timschochet said:

We will get an infrastructure bill done. A bigger stimulus package. MAYBE some improvements to Obamacare, MAYBE some moderate immigration reform, MAYBE some reasonable gun restrictions, MAYBE a partial reverse of Trump’s tax cuts. 
 

But nothing radical, nothing socialist, nothing extreme. Not gonna happen. 

Right now, I would just like to see some leadership on vaccine distribution.  All the other stuff can wait.

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Just now, IvanKaramazov said:

Right now, I would just like to see some leadership on vaccine distribution.  All the other stuff can wait.

That was going to happen regardless of the Georgia election. 

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17 minutes ago, timschochet said:

We will get an infrastructure bill done. A bigger stimulus package. MAYBE some improvements to Obamacare, MAYBE some moderate immigration reform, MAYBE some reasonable gun restrictions, MAYBE a partial reverse of Trump’s tax cuts. 
 

But nothing radical, nothing socialist, nothing extreme. Not gonna happen. 

Screw all this until we get this stupid virus under control.  

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41 minutes ago, Steve Tasker said:

Kudos to Georgia voters - I didn't think they'd elect one of the D candidates, let alone potentially two.  Stacy Abrams the god.

 

33 minutes ago, Amused to Death said:

Congratulations Georgia voters and thank you! Stacey Abrams deserves a ton of credit to flip a reliably red state almost completely blue this election cycle.

Proud to be a Georgian this morning - and not just because the people I voted for won.  The voters really came out to make their voices heard for all the candidates - 4.5M+ votes for a run-off is an insane number.  Hopefully everyone continues to vote and we continue to make it easier for everyone to vote.

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4 minutes ago, The Commish said:

Screw all this until we get this stupid virus under control.  

Of course. But that was going to happen as a result of Biden winning. I was addressing the impact of last night. 

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Counting and reporting have resumed -- Ossoff now up 17,025 votes.

Meanwhile, Warnock is still calling play action and going 30 yards downfield late in the fourth up three scores (well, a 2% lead).

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4 minutes ago, fruity pebbles said:

Like to see the majority leader’s power curbed. No way one person should be able to decide what comes up for a vote. Unfortunately, that would take the group in charge to curb their own power. 

Crazy to think that this was always possible in the U.S. Senate, but apparently (?) no one ever did it for over 200 years.

Someone HAD to have done it at least a few times in the past, right? Even just a one-off situation?

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28 minutes ago, timschochet said:

We will get an infrastructure bill done. A bigger stimulus package. MAYBE some improvements to Obamacare, MAYBE some moderate immigration reform, MAYBE some reasonable gun restrictions, MAYBE a partial reverse of Trump’s tax cuts. 
 

But nothing radical, nothing socialist, nothing extreme. Not gonna happen. 

I think there will be changes to ACA for sure...I don't think it is a maybe.

Guns...I think those will be more on the backburner.

Tax Cuts...agree there, a reversal of some of the more permanent measures that were aimed at upper percentage and business.  Let the other parts expire naturally?  Hope they keep the changes made to standard deduction and so on (has made filing my own taxes easier pricing me out of itemizing).

Infrastructure for sure...and we will see how kicking and screaming it will be to get this...but election security measures that the Feds can take vs what the States must do.

 

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Peter Daou @peterdaou · 12h

No more blaming Trump and McConnell.

NOW we'll see if Dems actually give a damn about the people, not their billionaire donors.

 

 

:goodposting:

 

This will be a tricky time for the Dems to navigate conflicting interests.  The pressure will be on Pelosi and Schumer to deliver - lots of pressure, from lots of different angles...

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4 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

 

:goodposting:

 

This will be a tricky time for the Dems to navigate conflicting interests.  The pressure will be on Pelosi and Schumer to deliver - lots of pressure, from lots of different angles...

I wonder if Peter thinks Trump and this GOP cared about the people and not their billionaire donors?  Because policy wise and what McConnell would allow...I would question how that would be.

But yes...I agree the pressure will be on...its why I agree with Tim about infrastructure being up there in what will be early on...because it seems to be what Rs and Ds in Washington will agree upon.  But will that be painted as pork and pet projects for certain states?  I believe there will be pressure to shore up ACA (and Biden has said that is a priority of his...and given his choice for OMB director...I would think that is going to happen).  The people seem to want that as well...single payer even pushing more and more popular in polling https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/09/29/increasing-share-of-americans-favor-a-single-government-program-to-provide-health-care-coverage/

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1 hour ago, Steve Tasker said:

Kudos to Georgia voters - I didn't think they'd elect one of the D candidates, let alone potentially two.  Stacy Abrams the god.

She has truly done a remarkable job in Georgia for the Dems. She could have disappeared into the nebulous ether after she lost her bid for Governor, but it motivated her even more and if the Dems are smart, they will make her a fixture in the DNC (if she wants it).

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28 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

I think there will be changes to ACA for sure...I don't think it is a maybe.

Guns...I think those will be more on the backburner.

Tax Cuts...agree there, a reversal of some of the more permanent measures that were aimed at upper percentage and business.  Let the other parts expire naturally?  Hope they keep the changes made to standard deduction and so on (has made filing my own taxes easier pricing me out of itemizing).

Infrastructure for sure...and we will see how kicking and screaming it will be to get this...but election security measures that the Feds can take vs what the States must do.

 

I look forward to what this horribly mismanaged infrastructure bill will be like

disclaimer:  not horrible because of either party, just because the federal government will be involved.  

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1 minute ago, Dan Lambskin said:

I look forward to what this horribly mismanaged infrastructure bill will be like

disclaimer:  not horrible because of either party, just because the federal government will be involved.  

Depending on the project...seems to be a very smart man involved if its going through Transportation.  May be misguided, but I trust a bit in Pete doing a good job.

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