the moops
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I think Doug Collins should object to the race where she got 26% of the vote and he got 20%
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Georgia: the Battle for the Senate (1 Viewer)
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Captain Cranks
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Agreed. Since the concept of bipartisanship is dead, just ram through as many as they can considering they align with what the majority of Americans support.
Rich Conway
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Just read today, something I hadn't seen before, this quote from Adam Jentleson (author of Kill Switch): "Counterintuitively, narrow majorities are bad for bipartisanship, because when control of the majority is constantly within reach in the next election it gives the side that is out of power less incentive to cooperate and more incentive to obstruct, to make the party that is in power look bad."
Seems reasonable.
Bottomfeeder Sports
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Look at the ACA hearings before and then after Kennedy dies. Prior to Kennedy's death the GOP was most certainly opposed but they were also participating in shaping the legislation as much they could since with a 60-40 Senate they could ultimately not stop anything. But once it was 59-40 and the filibuster proof majority was gone they disappeared. So I think this is pretty evident. Or from the other side look at how Sanders traded a vote for some pretty horrible legislation that he could not have stopped anyway in exchange for some crumbs in one his amendments.
Drunken Cowboy
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I don't really believe that. I think it is true of McConnell, but not broadly true.
Captain Cranks
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Ezra Klein goes into this a bit in his book "Why We're Polarized". It's being exacerbated by the different realities the internet and social media have created, so I don't expect things to get better anytime soon.
2Squirrels1Nut
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Stock market went through the roof today anticipating a democrat sweep.
Shula-holic
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About 1/3 of the debt is owned by foreign governments, the largest being China and Japan.
Doug B
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What would they be keying on? Does "the market" really "know things" in a predictive manner?
Shula-holic
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Looking like the R's really fumbled this election in GA. Collins is going to be to Loeffler what Nader was to Gore in some ways. From what it appears, I'd be surprised if either holds onto their seat. Then the heat will get turned up on Joe Manchin.
knowledge dropper
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Sea Duck
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I don't think there will be much heat on Manchin. Manchin won't switch parties - because he knows as a Dem (if the Dems actually win GA), then congress can get things done. Not what progressives want, but not gridlock either.
A GOP controlled senate assures gridlock and nothing accomplished. And none of the centrist Senators really want that - they just don't want a progressive agenda.
The results already assure that there won't be a radical agenda in congress on any issue. (if the Dems win GA - it would presumably put Harris into more of a domestic role, than any foreign policy role, given that she would have to be in DC constantly.)
This was addressed by GA officials a few hours ago. Nothing to see here.
ETA:
Gabriel Sterling @GabrielSterling
And this issue in Columbia Co. was resolved hours ago and our office informed the public about it in real time. The votes of everyone will be protected and counted. Sorry you received old intel Mr. President.
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GoBirds
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bigbottom
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It seems almost inconceivable to me that the GOP could lose one of those races, much less both, given the outcome of the November election for those seats.
MAC_32
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GoBirds
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Given this much time for the liberals to pump money into the election and giving old Joe the timely carrot of “vote for them and I’ll send your $2k next week
“ I think is the perfect storm. I think they could take both. Drunken Cowboy
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It really isn't that surprising given that the entire message from the GOP is the election is rigged. This is clearly going to keep some people home.
AAABatteries
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Living here I have no sense of how things will go. I will say many people, including myself, are disgusted by how much money was spent on these run-offs. Use the money to actually do some good - feed the homeless, help those who have been laid off - anything other than spending tens of millions on stupid political ads.
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Shula-holic
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I didn't so much mean from a party flip standpoint as I did from being tugged between his constituents and his party. He's a Democrat from a very deep red state. He's probably not going to lose re-election though given his popularity unless he did allow lurches to the left so I don't see that happening. He's going to face heat from either though for going too far or not far enough.
2Squirrels1Nut
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I don't know but one is a heavy favorite and the other 50/50. My guess is they are hoping for tons of "stimulus" aka, federal checks to millions of Americans who desperately need it, should the democrats win the senate.
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General Malaise
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Attempts at voting suppression in the south didn't help matters and while it isn't getting too much attention, Loeffler REALLY f'd herself badly by telling her WNBA team NOT to support BLM. Completely and utterly tone deaf and that woke up a lot of people who probably weren't paying much attention.
Loeffler posing with leaders of white supremacist groups also didn't help her much, but I'm sure she'll be fine resting on her illegally captured stock gains. Hopefully Insider Trading Specialist Perdue joins her.
General Malaise
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Scuttlebutt here was that WS wanted the republicans to win these seats to keep DC in a state of gridlock, which would be better for markets. I think yesterday's selloff was tied to the unease of the republicans being able to pull it off. I'm not sure which way this breaks, but I do think most finance guys would prefer a republican controlled senate.I don't know but one is a heavy favorite and the other 50/50. My guess is they are hoping for tons of "stimulus" aka, help for millions of Americans who desperately need it, should the democrats win the senate.
my 2 pennies that are worth more thrown on the floor of Best Buy than they are my opinion.....
Summer Wheat
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Dems have spent more than 110 million dollars more on this race than Repubs. That usually means a win.
I've actually been wondering about this recently.
On one hand - its an obscene amount of money spent by both parties. But, in theory, that money is going into the GA economy (or at least some of it is). That pays bills, keeps people employed, which in turn keeps them sending money, etc.
On the other hand - I am not certain that radio stations and TV stations are seeing too much of an increase in ad revenue - because I assume many ads simply are in place of local business ads that would have been sold in those spots otherwise.
The other thing I worry about - how many people donated to various election fundraisers - when they could have put that money to better use in their own communities. And, the only people who probably really made money here were the political consultants, and some of the shadier fund-raising efforts who pocketed more than they spent.
2Squirrels1Nut
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That's what I understand fueled the rally since the election and I agree that's probably the reason for the sell off. Well that and the new strain of Covid with stocks seemed to be priced for perfection in a time of great uncertainty.
However I'm with you on the pennies. Heard a story the other day about a guy that was a waiter 20 years ago and was left a .75 tip. He chased them out to the parking lot and threw it at them. I can't believe the manager fired him. Should have been promoted IMO.
GoBirds
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AAABatteries
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Up 167 is through the roof?
In a few weeks we will see how the markets actually fare. That will tell the tale. Hopefully they keep a steady growth.
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Da Guru
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When all is said and done there will be over 1 billion spent on this race. That probably could have done some good for the people of Georgia i would think. When you look at the money involved in all of these elections on both sides you realize it is not about us anymore.
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MAC_32
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I should probably just nut punch myself now amd get it over with but for the life of me I can't figure out what Jose you're talking about.
AAABatteries
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2Squirrels1Nut
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AAABatteries
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It’s amazing these ads - they are showing up everywhere. I have four kids - they all complain about these ads, asking when they will stop. Anything that has ads is showing these to the folks in GA - TV, radio, websites, yard signs - it’s awful.
2Squirrels1Nut
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Good point. The Dow was down 600 at one point yesterday and was down 150 this morning. % wise doesn't mean squat but it seems to me that investors have warmed up to the idea of a democrat senate instead of "SOCIALISM!!!! THEY WILL TAKE EVERYTHING YOU OWN!!!!"
In the beforetimes I would 100% agree with you on the bolded but what's going on with this new strain of Covid, more lock downs, not to mention in LA, who know what happens. Personally, I think it's a poor time to be not be more precise on the equities you own in this environment. Too many are overpriced IMHO.
2Squirrels1Nut
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I switched to YouTube TV about a year ago. The good part is no political commercials, the bad is you get THE SAME 20 COMMERICIALS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
tri-man 47
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As I see it: Manchin is 73 years old with many years of public service. At this point in his life, he could hide in the corner and hope that the R's in his state don't take much notice ...or he could proudly take a stand and openly do the job he was elected to do. Given his age, why be timid with the former? Better to stand like a man and be the leader he was elected to be. What's the worst that could happen? They vote him out in four years? Maybe he's planning to retire anyway. If not, he goes down with his dignity intact, and that's something I'm sure he can live with.
AAABatteries
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We are still getting the political ads with YouTubeTV- maybe it depends on the channel but local stations have them on constantly
Shula-holic
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I don't disagree, but taking a stand for a man like Manchin might be for moderation and not what many in his party want. He's pretty in tune with the folks in WV.
FairWarning
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Thunderlips
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If the D's win in GA....I predict a naval base, a new airport, another Disney Amusement Park, a dozen Amazon facilities, a baseball team, an IN and Out Burger and a number of other special "projects" will be coming to the mountains of West Virginia.
AAABatteries
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Word on the ground* is big turnout in Republican counties.
*my buddy and son texting me
This was AAA for YouTube Politics
*my buddy and son texting me
This was AAA for YouTube Politics
gruecd
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I don't think I'd say that it was "anticipating a sweep." But I'd agree that "the market" seems to be OK with whatever happens tonight.
AAABatteries
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AAABatteries
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Both really but just anecdotal - I waited over an hour on 12/29. Long lines the few times I saw it. Anybody who claims to know how this will go is most likely making things up. And I think we won’t know for a day or two.
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