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Just now, GroveDiesel said:

That’s a given. What I think should happen is anyone found clearly lying on these affidavits should be charged with perjury like they should be. 

Agreed.  Let's get this over with.  If there truly is fraud, then we would have seen confirmed evidence by this point.  This is just silly now.

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18 minutes ago, GroveDiesel said:

Yup. We already have proof that there wasn’t fraudulent activity related to the machines because the machines matched the printed copies. So we know that the votes weren’t later changed. That’s just simple fact. Anyone alleging otherwise is lying.

Just playing devil's advocate here:

If the machines were compromised to change the votes immediately when cast, before the printed copies are created, then the printed copies would also reflect the changed votes. Using the printed ballots as a check on the digital tally wouldn't uncover that type of tampering in that case. I don't know if that is the kind of scenario Trump and friends are alleging.

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16 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

Up until Trump no politician ever lied to the American people.  I can see why lying would be such a big deal in this case since it's never happened before.  ;)

This is exactly why Trumps supporters don't care if he's lying. I agree all politicians lie but never has a politician lied about an election like this. No one has ever threatened our democracy on this level. There is no justification at this point. 

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4 minutes ago, GroveDiesel said:
14 minutes ago, Milkman said:

Trump is lying? Are you sure? He never lies.

That’s a given. What I think should happen is anyone found clearly lying on these affidavits should be charged with perjury like they should be. 

From what I've seen, very few of the affidavits contain lies. I know that mine didn't, for example. It's pretty easy (and legal) (and truthful) to "solemnly swear"......that you saw.....something.......that concerned you.

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13 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

Up until Trump no politician ever lied to the American people.  I can see why lying would be such a big deal in this case since it's never happened before.  ;)

Yep.  Some politicians have told some half truths and exaggerations for sure. This gives Trump a license to lie whenever he pleases.  The fact that on fact checker Trump lied 6 times more in the first 10 months of his presidency than Obama did in his whole 8 year term, does not matter.  Obama lied so Trump can lie whenever he likes.

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4 minutes ago, Joe Summer said:

From what I've seen, very few of the affidavits contain lies. I know that mine didn't, for example. It's pretty easy (and legal) (and truthful) to "solemnly swear"......that you saw.....something.......that concerned you.

For not having any Republican people witnessing the counting there sure seems to be alot of people claiming they saw something.

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4 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Another Team Trump lawsuit in PA turned away. I believe this was the one with Rudy, but they are hard to keep straight. 

I think it 2 for 34. Bad for a shortstop, worse for even partisan 3rd rate attorneys. It's a PR campaign and a preview of Republican state legislatures for 2022 and 2024. Reminiscent of Morales and Maduro, not Lincoln. 

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2 minutes ago, SoBeDad said:

I think it 2 for 34. Bad for a shortstop, worse for even partisan 3rd rate attorneys. It's a PR campaign and a preview of Republican state legislatures for 2022 and 2024. Reminiscent of Morales and Maduro, not Lincoln. 

They filed another suit in PA basically saying the mail in balloting is unconstitutional and demanding the court allow the legislature to determine the delegates. 

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20 minutes ago, BoltBacker said:
4 hours ago, GordonGekko said:

.... but again, that's not some kind of evidence that Powell is incorrect here.

Are you sure THAT is how this works? It's up to the world to prove that Powell is incorrect?

Well, that's not how it works in court.

But it is a very effective strategy in the world of fundraising and base-energizing.

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39 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Another Team Trump lawsuit in PA turned away. I believe this was the one with Rudy, but they are hard to keep straight. 

That was an embarrassing decision for team...Trump, just an absolute beatdown.

https://twitter.com/marceelias/status/1330293124770435072?s=21

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28 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

So “conservative twitter” proclaims the Judge is just an Obama guy

And this is again why healing is so hard...people just cant even agree on what is fact vs fiction and much of that was pushed division by Trump.  Anyone not loyal to Trump is Dem or deep state or a traitor.  

Unanimously confirmed by the Senate, btw

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1 minute ago, Anarchy99 said:

DJT just tweeted asking why Biden in forming a cabinet. Trump has uncovered hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes, enough to flip 4 states . . . and more than enough for him to win the election. 

I’m skeptical

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2 hours ago, Godsbrother said:

Every last piece of evidence?  She didn’t release any evidence.  

These hyped up press conferences do nothing to bolster the president’s case, it is merely done to convince his base that he was wronged and to keep the donations coming in.

If Powell’s case is so strong then she needs to get to court and prove it.  Until then Trump should allow the GSA to work with the Biden team in the unlikely case that Powell & Rudy fail.

Otherwise the president is just being petty although we both know his main concern is for the American people and he doesn’t have a vindictive bone in his body.

 

Sydney Powell has a stellar legal reputation. She's a smart lady, no one is going to argue that. What will be asked is if this specific case was a smart case to take on. That's a more than fair question and yet no one here has asked it yet ( Political Tribalism and all that) There are WAY too many attorneys on FBGs in general , esp with those who post regularly in any of the major areas, to have this "She didn't release any evidence" issue to hold much water. What do you want her to do? Print out her potential witness list and serve that up to the public? Video of her interviewing a Dominion employee and shove that up on YouTube.

Election Day was less than three weeks ago. Apparently in the Ebay Buy It Now culture, if it's not immediate, exhaustive and right in your face on your little phone to shout at, then it has no potential legal merit. Is that what you are saying?

The press conferences aren't to convince you or those who will already have their minds made up against the claim. The press conferences exist to stay in the daily media cycle. They also served to force Dominion to attempt to "go to ground", which they have done. They are walling up lawyers in front of them. A large number of their employees are scrubbing their digital footprint. Since the US passport is basically worthless in the pandemic, it's not like going to another non Western country right now will be an option. They have refused to speak to representatives in PA, they literally agreed and then, likely under legal advice/advice on the optics of it, cancelled. They have shut down their two major operation sites. Powell is also operating in the critical "court of public opinion"

You know what happens when people disagreed aggressively with Jene Bramel in the IDP forums? He said the games will be played, and we will all see one way or another, and your viewpoint may prevail and if so, a credit to you. There is a process, it will play out, we will all see what happens. The process serves the American people, even if you find Trump distasteful. The Georgia recount found around six thousand uncounted votes. ( A recount does not exhaustively remove all claims of potential fraud)  Those were SIX THOUSAND AMERICAN CITIZENS who had their political voice heard when they would not have otherwise. Even if those votes have no bearing on the end result/outcome of this election, it's NECESSARY for those votes to be counted and heard.

I keep hearing "Orange Man Bad" and admittedly, there are just as many things to not like about Trump as there are things that some people will simply not like about Biden. But what I'm not hearing is that folks are glad six thousand American citizens were given legal due process to their voting for the greater good of the Republic, no matter who is running in this election.

If half the country, right or wrong, believe Dominion cannot be trusted, then the will of the people will shift to some other system. There will be a push for mandatory federal voter ID to cast a vote. If Trump runs again in 2024, if he can last that long legally and in the public eye, then that only makes it easier for him to try to win. That Pelosi is shown to having financial ties to Dominion only builds a narrative against Gavin Newsom if he gets the 2024 DNC ticket.

If Skip Bayless and Stephen A Smith say something that reaches the mainstream and outrages people then, even right or wrong, they've done their job. And that's just sports.

Sydney Powell has to work this in a court of law AND THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION. If you and many other hardened liberals are outraged and talking about it in public and with other people and online, she's achieved part of her goal. Talking about it at all is win for Powell.

Your public outrage now makes you an unpaid political operative for the GOP, you just haven't figured it out yet.

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2 hours ago, Gr00vus said:

Just playing devil's advocate here:

If the machines were compromised to change the votes immediately when cast, before the printed copies are created, then the printed copies would also reflect the changed votes. Using the printed ballots as a check on the digital tally wouldn't uncover that type of tampering in that case. I don't know if that is the kind of scenario Trump and friends are alleging.

Dominion’s machines print a paper record of the individual’s vote which is then scanned into a machine. So the individual voting is able to see their vote on the printed paper before it is scanned. Those printed papers are what was hand counted.

One would presume that since we haven’t heard an outpouring of tens of thousands of individuals stating that their vote was printed incorrectly, that this is not what happened.

 

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4 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

Poking around, one of their many affidavits apparently is a poll worker in GA that found a voting machine overnight that (allegedly) was opened and had been tampered with.

Like others have mentioned, if they recounted the ballots in GA, at this point, wouldn’t the voting machines and the tabulation software be irrelevant at this point? They counted all the votes by hand. I am sure the GOP will again allege that there are tons of mail in ballots that need to be tossed because they didn’t verify the signatures. 

But what else shocking could they come up with? 

Maybe it will be shocking that they spell everything correctly, get the correct state and identify the governor correctly.  I mean, I’d be kind of shocked if that happened.

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37 minutes ago, fred_1_15301 said:

You actually read his full posts?   :shock:

 

http://www.capecharlesmirror.com/news/check-the-code-dominion-voting-system-tied-to-hugo-chavez-voter-fraud-used-in-2020-swing-states/

 

"Check the Code: Dominion Voting system tied to Hugo Chavez voter fraud was used in 2020 swing states

November 15, 2020 by Wayne Creed

The Dominion Voting system was first designed for Hugo Chavez to “win” and “keep” himself in office. It was also used in the 2020 US Elections, in fact, it was used in all six swing states. And it unilaterally helped one team with late-night voter tallies. Only one direction, only one party. Always. Interesting how that works.

Three companies rule, Election Systems & Software (ES&S), Dominion, and Hart InterCivic, used by 92% of US voters, as Dominion services 40%. Smartmatic is another big US player.

Question: What did the chairman of Smartmatic, a vote tabulating software, do to earn a place on Joe Biden’s “transition team?”

Smartmatic was the subject of controversy in 2004 when the Hugo Chavez-led Venezuelan government selected it to provide the voting machines system for the presidential recall election, even though it would have been the company’s first time providing machines for an election.  Smartmatic teamed up with a Venezuelan software company, Bitza, which at the time was 28 percent owned by Chavez’s government.  In 2005, a Chicago city alderman questioned the possible ties between Sequoia and the Venezuelan government when that company’s machines were used in the March 2006 Chicago primaries. 

Dominion, founded by Canadian John Poulos in 2000, is now owned by Staple Street Capital LLC, says Bloomberg. Writes Forbes, “In 2009, Diebold Election Systems was sold to its competitor, ES&S, and in 2010 selling to Dominion Voting Systems” gaining “all intellectual property, software, firmware, and hardware.” Dominion and Smartmatic contracted for 2010 and 2013 Philippines elections where claims of malfunction and fraud abounded. In 2016, seventy-one million voters in 1,635 jurisdictions used Dominion, also tied to the Clinton Foundation, and a $2.25 million project together. Robert Mueller’s firm Wilmer Hale was their agent in 2004. Dominion outsources components to China “…down to the chip component level.”

“Former WH Cybersecurity Coordinator, Michael Daniel, notes voting machine companies aren’t known for cybersecurity expertise. Jake Stauffer, AF cyber analyst tested Dominion voting systems for CA, observing: “I’ve found for voting systems, security isn’t taken very seriously.” Testing, Staufer found vulnerabilities in Dominion’s Democracy Suite (DDC) voting equipment enabling remote code execution, denial of service attacks, and off-line ballot tampering. “How can a vendor sell a voting system with this many vulnerabilities?”

Glitches or Witches??

The election software “glitching” in GA & MI, which incorrectly gave Joe Biden thousands of votes, is used in 28 states. When Dominion blamed a day-before “update,” Politico wrote, “Supervisor, Marcia Ridley of Spalding County Board Elections says records show no such update occurred…That is something that they don’t ever do. I’ve never seen them update anything the day before the election.” Dominion then corrected this, admitting last update was Oct 31. Does this reveal fraud or cover-up?

What’s Up with Dominion’s Code??

The origin of Dominion’s source code is especially problematic, given Smartmatic being “adopted” by Hugo Chavez in 2004, subsidized, trained to build vote machines and code, then used to rig an election. And then Smartmatic acquired Sequoia in 2005, using it to evolve their software until selling in 2007 to Dominion. Smartmatic even went to court to preserve their right to use the code they developed..

Everything that was developed by Smartmatic and Sequoia, including the software allowing ballot fraud in Hugo Chavez’ failed recall, was passed onto Dominion.

Smartmatic machines were created for 2004 Venezuela elections, organized and funded by recipient Hugo Chavez. Then Dominion inherited it all. But questions still swirl regarding if Dominion is just a front for Smartmatic.

Questions continue to pop around all these tainted companies. Was the 1 million ghost ballot dump by Smartmatic in Venezuela’s 2017 election an accident?

If the engineers who ran Dominion wanted to commit massive ballot fraud against a US candidate, based on everything we know – Is there anything that could have stopped them?"

 

 

https://www.ptnewsnetwork.com/chairman-of-smartmatic-tied-to-dominion-a-biden-transition-team-member/

 

Chairman of Smartmatic, tied to Dominion, a Biden Transition Team Member

By Tonya Covarrubias

November 16, 2020

 

The US chairman of controversial electronic voting company Smartmatic’s Board has been tapped as a member of the Biden transition team. Vice Admiral Peter Neffenger (USCG retired) is a member of the Homeland Security transition committee and was the head of the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) under the Obama Administration. Smartmatic has links to Dominion Voting Systems. Sydney Powell, General Michael Flynn’s lawyer, has claimed there is evidence that shows Dominion was involved with potential election fraud in the 2020 General Election. 

Multiple sources, including Biden’s transition website, list Peter Neffenger as a member of the agency review team under the Department of Homeland Security. Agency review teams are responsible for ensuring a smooth transition between administrations. Neffenger is listed as a volunteer for the Biden agency review team. 

So, why care about Smartmatic’s Board Chair joining the Biden transition team?

Well, according to Politico, authorities in the Philippines charged three of its employees with illegally altering code on an election server during their 2016 national election. Smartmatic was founded by three Venezuelans and was investigated by the Department of Treasury to purchase Sequoia voting systems in 2005. Smartmatic was also reported under investigation by the Department of Justice for bribing the Venezuelan government for contracts in 2006. 

 

 

https://federalnewsnetwork.com/government-news/2019/07/whos-behind-voting-machine-makers-money-of-unclear-origins/

 

Who’s behind voting-machine makers? Money of unclear origins

By EMERY P. DALESIO

July 12, 2019 1:34 pm

     

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — The voting-machine makers that aim to sell their systems in North Carolina are largely owned by private equity firms that don’t disclose their investors.

The companies didn’t want the public to know even that much.

North Carolina’s statewide elections board demanded the machine-makers’ ownership information last month after special counsel Robert Mueller’s April report into Russian efforts to sway the 2016 presidential election. Their concerns about potential foreign interference have grown since Maryland officials learned last year that a company maintaining that state’s election infrastructure did not disclose its financing by a venture fund whose largest investor is a Russian oligarch.

The private-equity backers of the three voting systems vendors seeking approval to sell to county elections boards in North Carolina told The Associated Press they’re controlled by U.S. citizens. They claimed they have no ties to foreign oligarchs or other nefarious persons facing financial sanctions by Washington. But they didn’t provide information about the sources of the money they invest. And they asked the board not to share what they did disclose with the public.

The elections board released the companies’ responses — as required by law — under a public records request from The AP.

Election security watchdogs remain frustrated.

“The answer that we all really want is, is there foreign influence over the companies that make equipment that’s used in our elections? We didn’t get that answer, because the actual influence is obfuscated behind the private equity firms,” said Maurice Turner, who focuses on election security at the Center for Democracy & Technology in Washington, D.C.

North Carolina — the country’s ninth largest state by population — is heating up as a market for voting equipment because the state has required touchscreen-only systems to be replaced after November with equipment that produces a paper record. The change will affect machines in about a third of the state’s 100 counties. New voting systems purchased from approved companies could be in use for a decade.

The three companies — Omaha, Nebraska-based Election Systems & Software; Boston-based Clear Ballot; and Austin, Texas-based Hart InterCivic — were told to disclose anyone holding a 5 percent or greater stake, or in a parent company or any subsidiaries.

All three private companies responded by listing their executives and equity funds as chief owners. And all three asked that even these responses be kept confidential.

Hart InterCivic said that it “derives independent actual value from this information not being generally known or readily ascertainable and makes reasonable efforts to maintain the secrecy of this information.”

Election Systems & Software did disclose that it is controlled through an intermediary company by McCarthy Group, a private equity firm also based in Omaha. The CEO and chief financial officer of ES&S own smaller stakes.

Hart InterCivic said nearly 80 percent of its ownership is held through an intermediary company by H.I.G. Capital, a Miami, Florida-based private equity firm. Gregg L. Burt, Hart’s board chairman and former CEO and the founder of his own Austin-based private equity firm, owns another 10.5%, the company disclosed.

Clear Ballot founders Larry Moore and Tim Halvorsen, later investor Steven Papa and Raging Capital Opportunity Fund V LLC all own more than 5 percent stakes, the election systems maker said, without detailing each owner’s share. The company said that neither the fund nor any individual invested in the fund controlled by Rocky Hill, New Jersey-based Raging Capital Management owns a controlling interest in Clear Ballot Group.

The board hasn’t scheduled a hearing to review the responses.

While election experts knew generally that the machine-makers had private equity backing, the scope of that ownership is now clearer because of North Carolina’s query, something few if any other states have demanded previously, Turner said.

Turner says the back-and-forth shows that the federal government is better equipped than states are when it comes to trying to determine who really controls the handful of U.S. election-equipment makers. Washington should take on this task, to protect confidence in the country’s voting system, Turner said.

“It’s hard to think of many services that are of greater public importance than running our elections,” said Lawrence Norden, an expert on voting machines with the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University’s law school. “The public should know who is doing that and who has control over the companies that are doing that.”

 

 

 

The Market for Voting Machines Is Broken. This Company Has Thrived in It.

Half the country votes on machines made by ES&S. Many experts and election officials say the manufacturer remains dominant because there’s little government regulation and almost no oversight.

by Jessica Huseman

Oct. 28, 2019, 2:20 p.m. EDT

 

 

https://www.propublica.org/article/the-market-for-voting-machines-is-broken-this-company-has-thrived-in-it

 

The Market for Voting Machines Is Broken. This Company Has Thrived in It.

Half the country votes on machines made by ES&S. Many experts and election officials say the manufacturer remains dominant because there’s little government regulation and almost no oversight.

by Jessica Huseman

Oct. 28, 2019, 2:20 p.m. EDT

 

In the glare of the hotly contested 2018 elections, things did not go ideally for ES&S, the nation’s largest manufacturer of voting technology.

In Georgia, where the race for governor had drawn national interest amid concerns about election integrity, ES&S-owned technology was in use when more than 150,000 voters inexplicably did not cast a vote for lieutenant governor. In part because the aged ES&S-managed machines did not produce paper backups, it wasn’t clear whether mechanical or human errors were to blame. Litigation surrounding the vote endures to this day.

In Indiana, ES&S’ systems were plagued by mishaps at the local level. In Johnson County, for instance, the company’s brand-new machines faltered in ways that made it difficult to know whether some people had voted more than once.

“ES&S misjudged the need for appropriate resources to serve Johnson County on Election Day 2018,” a report issued by state election officials later concluded. Johnson County subsequently terminated its contract with ES&S and, this September, paid more than $1.5 million to purchase an entirely new set of equipment.

The uneven performance by ES&S in 2018, however, did little to dent its position as one of the most popular and powerful voting technology companies in the U.S. Any number of prior controversies hadn’t either.

The vote in 2006 in Sarasota, Florida, was just one. There, ES&S machines lost around 18,000 votes; it is still unclear why. The loss was far more than the margin of victory, and a lawsuit followed that ultimately resolved little. The company said in a statement that a variety of testing done on its machines supports its claim that the devices were not at fault, but the county wound up canceling its dealings with the firm shortly afterward.

Despite such stumbles, ES&S — based in Omaha, Nebraska, and employing roughly 500 people — controls around 50% of the country’s election system market, the company says, meaning that some 70 million Americans vote using the company’s equipment....

A ProPublica examination of ES&S shows it has fought hard to keep its dominance in the face of repeated controversies. The company has a reputation among both its competitors and election officials for routinely going to court when it fails to win contracts or has them taken away, suing voting jurisdictions, rivals, advocates for greater election security and others.

In September 2018, ES&S filed a federal lawsuit against Cook County, Illinois, after the county awarded a $30 million voting machine contract to another company. ES&S later dropped the lawsuit, but the dispute delayed the implementation of Cook County’s new machines, and the Chicago mayoral election this spring ultimately was conducted using the same machines that were meant to be replaced.

ES&S’ lawsuits and threats of lawsuits have helped delay or thwart progress toward better voting technology even when the litigation is unsuccessful, more than two dozen election officials and voting technology experts said in interviews.

“I’d love to see a vibrant marketplace of voting technologies, with companies competing to make better products at lower prices. We have that in mobile phones, personal computers and automobiles, but we don’t have it at all with voting technologies,” said Dan Wallach, a computer science professor at Rice University who studies election systems and has testified in many such lawsuits. “These companies’ litigiousness creates a barrier to competition that becomes a barrier to improving our elections.”

ES&S is owned by the McCarthy Group, a private equity firm, and thus its financial records — revenue, profits, salaries — are not public. A spokesperson declined to make ES&S officials available for an interview for this article, and the company instead issued written responses to questions. It said its machinery and technology were ultimately found blameless in some of the election controversies over the years. In Georgia, it said that while the company was responsible for the maintenance of the machines, it was unable to make updates to the software. The state of Georgia, it said, was ultimately responsible for the mishaps.

“ES&S believes strongly in the security, accuracy and reliability of our machines,” the company said. “We’re committed to our role in democracy and protecting the right to vote.”

Asked about its history of litigation, the company said it sued only as a way to keep competitors honest: “We believe American voters deserve accountability in this industry.”

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1 hour ago, Joe Summer said:

Not anymore.

Yeah the “stellar legal reputation” is now claiming that Georgia Republican Gov. Brian Kemp was paid off by Doninion to help fix the election.  
https://twitter.com/jamie_weinstein/status/1330337895505399810?s=21

She. Is. A. Loon.

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29 minutes ago, GroveDiesel said:

Trump’s Team now actively trying to hand the Senate to the Democrats.

This is pretty incredible. The Republicans are going to lose the Senate because all of the other leaders in the party won’t simply tell Trump to stop. This is just plain moronic.

I’m fully supportive of Wood here in trying to get Georgia Republicans to not vote for those corrupt GOP Senate candidates.  Fight the good fight Lin!

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