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1 minute ago, sho nuff said:

Why continue to post false information like that in a wall of text?  Its just spamming the board.  No...it has nothing to do with Hugo Chavez. That has been disproven many times.  

Because it's good for FBG membership. He explained it to me just a few hours ago. Be careful..... or he'll explain that he's above "reporting you". 

MI and PA don't even get certified until the 23rd. I expected this level of meltdown to wait until then. 

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5 minutes ago, Uwe Blab said:

Yeah the “stellar legal reputation” is now claiming that Georgia Republican Gov. Brian Kemp was paid off by Doninion to help fix the election.  
https://twitter.com/jamie_weinstein/status/1330337895505399810?s=21

She. Is. A. Loon.

No, we need to let this one play out - Kemp seems sketchy.  I think this one has legs.

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13 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

Maybe it will be shocking that they spell everything correctly, get the correct state and identify the governor correctly.  I mean, I’d be kind of shocked if that happened.

Well, Sidney Powell was just on Newsmax and alleged that Georgia GOP Governor Brian Kemp and long time Trump ally is part of a conspiracy to fix the election and prevented Trump from rightfully winning the presidential election in Georgia. She said they will file a new case by Friday there.

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1 minute ago, Anarchy99 said:

Well, Sidney Powell was just on Newsmax and alleged that Georgia GOP Governor Brian Kemp and long time Trump ally is part of a conspiracy to fix the election and prevented Trump from rightfully winning the presidential election in Georgia. She said they will file a new case by Friday there.

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I agree with her - seems obvious to me that Loeffler and Perdue are in on this and Republicans need to unite behind Trump and not vote for these turncoats.  We can’t let them get away with cheating the POTUS and get a senate seat out of it.  

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2 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

I agree with her - seems obvious to me that Loeffler and Perdue are in on this and Republicans need to unite behind Trump and not vote for these turncoats.  We can’t let them get away with cheating the POTUS and get a senate seat out of it.  

Republican Governor, SOS, and judges all conspired to throw state election to Biden. It sounds like one of Team Trumps arguments will be that the normal rate for disqualification of mail in ballots in Georgia is 3.0%. This election it was 0.3%. The way it was seemingly described on TV was that they could ask that 2.7% of all the mail in ballots need to be thrown out (Which I am guessing is more than enough for Trump to pass JB). It also sounds like they are going to seek criminal charges on this. This is going to get even more crazy. 

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3 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Republican Governor, SOS, and judges all conspired to throw state election to Biden. It sounds like one of Team Trumps arguments will be that the normal rate for disqualification of mail in ballots in Georgia is 3.0%. This election it was 0.3%. The way it was seemingly described on TV was that they could ask that 2.7% of all the mail in ballots need to be thrown out (Which I am guessing is more than enough for Trump to pass JB). It also sounds like they are going to seek criminal charges on this. This is going to get even more crazy. 

I definitely think Loeffler and Perdue should go to jail for this and for profiting off COVID while downplaying it.  But mostly for cheating the POTUS.  For shame.

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35 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

Why continue to post false information like that in a wall of text?  Its just spamming the board.  No...it has nothing to do with Hugo Chavez. That has been disproven many times.  

Dude are you serious?  He posted that TLDR specifically in response to my post.  Why are you reading his jibberish (let alone responding to him lol)?

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16 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

I definitely think Loeffler and Perdue should go to jail for this and for profiting off COVID while downplaying it.  But mostly for cheating the POTUS.  For shame.

and now Loeffler has COVID

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And Lin Wood alleges Kemp took money from the Chinese to make sure Biden won. Alan Dershowitz was on suggesting that Team Trump will get full bore hearings and trials on all their upcoming filings, so all the evidence and witnesses will all come in (unlike PA which basically said no on everything). 

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4 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

More claims from Powell include Governor and SOS both took money to use Dominion voting machines. And Bernie actually beat Hillary for the Democratic nod in 2016 and they rigged it for Hillary and paid Sanders off. 

Of course I’m sure she and Rudy have irrefutable evidence for all of this and will soon be showing all of it in a court case -or- in front of the ihop on I-395 outside of Arlington 

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51 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

I agree with her - seems obvious to me that Loeffler and Perdue are in on this and Republicans need to unite behind Trump and not vote for these turncoats.  We can’t let them get away with cheating the POTUS and get a senate seat out of it.  

McConnell, Graham, Jordan all really suspicious too. They need to go! 

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50 minutes ago, fred_1_15301 said:

  He posted that TLDR specifically in response to my post.  Why are you reading his jibberish (let alone responding to him lol)?

 

Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations."

- George Orwell

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1 hour ago, Anarchy99 said:

Republican Governor, SOS, and judges all conspired to throw state election to Biden. It sounds like one of Team Trumps arguments will be that the normal rate for disqualification of mail in ballots in Georgia is 3.0%. This election it was 0.3%. The way it was seemingly described on TV was that they could ask that 2.7% of all the mail in ballots need to be thrown out (Which I am guessing is more than enough for Trump to pass JB). It also sounds like they are going to seek criminal charges on this. This is going to get even more crazy. 

Statement from GA Secretary of State

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1 hour ago, fred_1_15301 said:

Dude are you serious?  He posted that TLDR specifically in response to my post.  Why are you reading his jibberish (let alone responding to him lol)?

I didnt read it past hugo chavez and Venezuela 

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Powell alleges votes in GA were counted as one vote Biden = 1.25 while one vote Trump = 0.75. LINK

As I mentioned earlier, if they hand counted the ballots, who cares what the machines or software said? If what they allege were true, there would be a big shortage of Biden votes and a ton more Trump votes. But that’s not what the hand count showed. What am I missing here?

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9 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Powell alleges votes in GA were counted as one vote Biden = 1.25 while one vote Trump = 0.75. LINK

As I mentioned earlier, if they hand counted the ballots, who cares what the machines or software said? If what they allege were true, there would be a big shortage of Biden votes and a ton more Trump votes. But that’s not what the hand count showed. What am I missing here?

Obviously the conspiracy is much more sophisticated than any of us realize.  

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9 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Powell alleges votes in GA were counted as one vote Biden = 1.25 while one vote Trump = 0.75LINK

As I mentioned earlier, if they hand counted the ballots, who cares what the machines or software said? If what they allege were true, there would be a big shortage of Biden votes and a ton more Trump votes. But that’s not what the hand count showed. What am I missing here?

Wow.  They aren't kidding around.  With those numbers it would be Trump at 3.28M and Biden at 1.98M.  Trump beat him by 24% with those numbers.  That's bordering on Alabama type support.

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29 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Powell alleges votes in GA were counted as one vote Biden = 1.25 while one vote Trump = 0.75. LINK

As I mentioned earlier, if they hand counted the ballots, who cares what the machines or software said? If what they allege were true, there would be a big shortage of Biden votes and a ton more Trump votes. But that’s not what the hand count showed. What am I missing here?

Weird how the vote totals worked out to whole numbers. Must have been dumb luck on the fraudsters' part.

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1 hour ago, Anarchy99 said:

Powell alleges votes in GA were counted as one vote Biden = 1.25 while one vote Trump = 0.75. LINK

As I mentioned earlier, if they hand counted the ballots, who cares what the machines or software said? If what they allege were true, there would be a big shortage of Biden votes and a ton more Trump votes. But that’s not what the hand count showed. What am I missing here?

 

You have a voting machine print the vote out, which is then verified by the voter and then stored. This gives you the option to then manually confirm the vote using the printed ballots later if needed.

Couple problems with this. First, just because machine printed the correct "intended" vote, given the time and place, doesn't mean it saved or transmitted the actual "intended" vote. This leads into hard questions about a "recount" versus an "audit".  Second, still important but less of a factor,  voting is supposed to be anonymous. Once you force regular people/individual voters into part of the authentication protocol, for validation, you've started to ask the question if you've defeated their anonymity.

If there was an algorithm that would flip votes, in order to potentially survive a future audit, the flipped votes would need to be paced out. In layman's terms, if you walk into a casino planning to cheat, you wouldn't go winning every single hand from the time you walked in until the time you left. Flipped votes would have to go in random intervals to rise above casual scrutiny. Part of the "landslide" argument being made is Trump received so many votes, aka a landslide of support, that the algorithm's "paced interval of flipping" could not overtake the raw number of Trump votes being passed through the system. This plays into the idea, correct or not, about DNC arrogance at their perceived voter turnout and support.  This is why the claim is made that the counts stopped in the middle of the night and observers were told to leave/go home, then large number of ballots were brought in and infused through the system, and processed through without intervals because of the TIME CONSTRAINTS of only having a few hours to have observers outside the machine areas to get the raw count up for Joe Biden.

The problem with the mail in ballots is once the outer envelope is shucked  ( again, to protect voter anonymity ), then once you get past that safeguard, a recount does you no good to verify voter fraud. What it does do initially is find lost votes or uncounted votes, which happened in Georgia, they found 6K votes that were not processed.

Key to note, Sydney Powell's strategy is fairly simple

1) Stay in the daily media cycle to keep to case relevant in the "Court of Public Opinion"

2) Get someone in Dominion or ES&S to flip, if they haven't already ( I don't think Powell takes this case unless she has several people sequestered and flipped already)

3) Allow time for the radical right ( and the radical left bizarrely) to doxx employees of Dominion to force them to flip and to put pressure on the power brokers within the DNC, if they are involved, to find "Jogging With Seth Rich" as the best option, thus incentivizing someone to flip or stay flipped

4) Create pressure to change FUTURE election standards with federal guidelines, thus taking that individual power out of the States and forcing federal Voter ID as the new standard, as Trump might be forced to run in 2024

5) Force a lack of POTUS certification, driving this to SCOTUS and thus Congress. Trump would prevail 30-19.

Trump's pathway here is very very very slim. However, if Powell can turn this, what will happen, and she will have predicted this long ago, that the DNC and MSM will openly say that leaving Trump in the White House would incite mass rioting in every major city in America. ( It's true, it would happen) but the media optics would be horrible. It would be saying subvert the process so you can avoid mass rioting that would have close to no end in sight. The DNC and Biden would not acknowledge Trump as POTUS, citing Merrick Garland and the clear politicization of SCOTUS, denouncing the last three Trump appointments. The DNC power brokers would go after Trump on some thing else legally ( pick one, he's got dirt all over), then deploy the FBI (whom the DNC owns informally) and by extension, FBI HRT, to take Trump into custody. SCOTUS would order the US Marshals, and by extension, US Marshal SOG units, to enforce their order. You have two major LE agencies with elite cadres that have training just a shade under Tier 1 military units in direct opposition of each other.

Symbolically, Trump just has to bunker up in the White House. The Capitol Police and Secret Service and DSS won't take sides. However the FBI HRT attempting to arrest Trump in the White House engages the Marines there. If even one Marine is engaged, then you've involved the entire Corps. This lets Trump activate the Insurrection Act / 1807 with clean optics.

The only thing that really matters is if Powell either has or will get a high enough level ranking Dominion employee with a clean background otherwise to flip.

Powell doesn't care about hand counts. They don't help with the massive number of mail in ballots and the issue doesn't survive the Court Of Public opinion.  She cares about staying in the daily media cycle with some momentum.  If even 10 percent of what she claims can come out in court with evidence, this would be the biggest political scandal possibly in all of human recorded history.

What Powell is relying on is lefty outrage. Because that is what props this up despite MSM clearing trying to shut this all down. If there is corruption that bleeds deep into the DNC, they want all of you to stop talking about it. It's the GOP who wants  all of you to keep denouncing it. It only galvanizes Trump's existing base and keeps the issue on "edge" to overshadow the pandemic.

Many of you don't realize you have volunteered to be unpaid political operatives for Sydney Powell and the GOP.  Every post, every like, every retweet, every public conversation or denouncement serves her end goal here. If you work for her for free, and she works for Donald Trump, then anything other than silence is you working for Donald Trump. You are his narcissistic supply.  Irony for you....

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Flat out trying to steal the election right in front of our eyes. :(

Wisconsin officials: Trump observers obstructing recount

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Milwaukee County election commissioner Tom Posnanski reported to fellow commissioners that more than one pro-Trump representative was discovered at different tabulation tables. Some allegedly posing as independents, breaking regulations that require one member from each political party.

One Trump-observer reportedly rejected every ballot that was pulled from a bag because they were folded, he said.

Posnanski called it “prima facie evidence of bad faith by the Trump campaign.” “I want to know what is going on and why there continues to be obstruction,” he added.

 

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8 minutes ago, Rich Conway said:

There comes a point where Giuliani, Powell, et.al. are committing treason, right?

Provable lies that are meant to overturn an election - I don’t know enough about treason laws but it’s enough to solidify that they are morally bankrupt.

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6 hours ago, 2Squirrels1Nut said:

Flat out trying to steal the election right in front of our eyes. :(

Wisconsin officials: Trump observers obstructing recount

 

Once again being actually guilty of what he claims his opponent is doing.

Stop the Steal is a great slogan..,it should just be used describing Trump’s efforts needing to be stopped.

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6 hours ago, GordonGekko said:

 

You have a voting machine print the vote out, which is then verified by the voter and then stored. This gives you the option to then manually confirm the vote using the printed ballots later if needed.

Couple problems with this. First, just because machine printed the correct "intended" vote, given the time and place, doesn't mean it saved or transmitted the actual "intended" vote. This leads into hard questions about a "recount" versus an "audit".  Second, still important but less of a factor,  voting is supposed to be anonymous. Once you force regular people/individual voters into part of the authentication protocol, for validation, you've started to ask the question if you've defeated their anonymity.

But, if it "saved" something other than the "intended" vote, when the printouts of the "intended" votes were counted, they wouldn't match the number of "saved" votes. The Georgia hand recount of the printouts proves this is false. And, counting those "intended" ballots has nothing to do with anonymity. Those ballots are still anonymous.

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The problem with the mail in ballots is once the outer envelope is shucked  ( again, to protect voter anonymity ), then once you get past that safeguard, a recount does you no good to verify voter fraud. What it does do initially is find lost votes or uncounted votes, which happened in Georgia, they found 6K votes that were not processed.

You're assuming the "shucked" envelopes are discarded. They aren't. Those envelopes can still be reviewed to verify a lack of voter fraud. All that shucking does is protect the anonymity. It doesn't matter which vote goes with which envelope if review of the envelope proves it was a legitimate voter.

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Powell doesn't care about hand counts. 

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She cares about staying in the daily media cycle 

Maybe the first correct thing you've said. She doesn't care about hand counts and she doesn't care about machine counts. She doesn't care about the truth. All she cares about is publicity and coddling the millions of "true believers" so that she can harvest them later.

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3 hours ago, AAABatteries said:

Provable lies that are meant to overturn an election - I don’t know enough about treason laws but it’s enough to solidify that they are morally bankrupt.

Huh? Do you guys even know what treason means?

If you think what he's doing is bad, what do you say about the Democrats behavior the last 4 years with fake accusations and charges to try and impeach Trump?  I think those in glass houses probably shouldn't throw stones.

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12 hours ago, Chicago Hooligan said:

Odd that Trump's DOJ never actually investigates Clinton, Obama, Biden, or now this apparently vast intercontinental conspiracy.

That's because it has to stay super secret until all these promised arrests happen at once, right? :hophead:

To quote Sidney Powell: "the storm is coming."

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Storm is coming. Huh. A whole bunch of states are certifying soon so I'd expect a light drizzle or something by now but all I see is sunshine. 

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1 hour ago, BladeRunner said:

Huh? Do you guys even know what treason means?

If you think what he's doing is bad, what do you say about the Democrats behavior the last 4 years with fake accusations and charges to try and impeach Trump?  I think those in glass houses probably shouldn't throw stones.

They weren't fake, and he was impeached

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1 hour ago, apalmer said:

But, if it "saved" something other than the "intended" vote, when the printouts of the "intended" votes were counted, they wouldn't match the number of "saved" votes. The Georgia hand recount of the printouts proves this is false. And, counting those "intended" ballots has nothing to do with anonymity. Those ballots are still anonymous.

You're assuming the "shucked" envelopes are discarded. They aren't. Those envelopes can still be reviewed to verify a lack of voter fraud. All that shucking does is protect the anonymity. It doesn't matter which vote goes with which envelope if review of the envelope proves it was a legitimate voter.

 

 

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/recount-or-audit-whats-happening-on-the-ground-in-georgia/

 

"Contrary to recounts, an audit seeks to verify that the primary counting method is accurate. In Georgia, Risk Limiting Audits, or RLAs, are required by state statute. In an RLA, a certain number of ballots are audited based on the margin of victory between candidates in the race selected for auditing. Closer margins require more ballots to be reviewed in order to achieve a high standard of statistical confidence in the overall result. The process involves taking a small batch of ballots from precincts based on a unique identifier. Even pulling a few hundred ballots can be labor intensive. For contests with very small margins of victory, manually auditing all ballots is more efficient.

So, what is happening in Georgia right now? Raffensperger ordered a hand-tally of all ballots across the state. One may think that this is a recount, but there are two reasons it is not. First, recounts in Georgia are not done by hand. Second, in Georgia, the results must be certified before a recount can be requested while an audit—per BPC’s recommendation—occurs before certification.

So, the Georgia maneuverings must be an RLA, right? Not quite. What Raffensperger has essentially ordered is a hybrid of an audit and a recount. This means that while they will be assessing every ballot, which is not normal in an ordinary RLA, they will be doing it by hand, which is not normal of a typical recount."

 

https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/hand-recounts-georgia-paper-ballots-barred-election-proposal/7uQrB3SjgW4ylcVOpb4hHM/

 

Election integrity organizations say recounts of paper ballots should be done by hand to help ensure that the printed text matches votes tabulated from the bar code.

“You have to have a manual process to confirm a computerized process,” said Marian K. Schneider, the president of Verified Voting, a nonpartisan organization that promotes accurate and verifiable elections. “The best way is to do a hand recount that can look at the human-readable text on the paper output.”

Voters across Georgia will use the state's new election system during the March 24 presidential primary. They'll make their choices on touchscreens, then review printed-out paper ballots before inserting them into scanners for tabulation.

The recount proposal alarmed election integrity advocates who feel misled by Raffensperger’s statements that paper ballots will result in a physical recount.

"They feel like it's a bait and switch," said Marilyn Marks, the executive director of the Coalition for Good Governance, a plaintiff in a lawsuit seeking hand-marked paper ballots. "You're getting an electronic recount, not a physical recount."

 

https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/voters-contront-georgia-lawmakers-over-new-touchscreen-election-system/Jj26WLlCuMXKuzL6nZo9oI/

 

State legislators listened to three hours of testimony during the first hearing on a bill to buy touchscreen machines that print ballots, a $150 million technology that would create a paper ballot that could be used to check the electronic count.

Members of the House subcommittee didn't vote Tuesday on House Bill 316 and will continue hearing from the public Wednesday.

Voters told state legislators that touchscreens are an expensive solution that won't solve concerns about election integrity. They want paper ballots bubbled in with a pen, saying a $30 million hand-marked paper ballot voting system is the best way to prevent tampering and hacking.

“Hand-marked paper ballots are the state of the art when it comes to secure voting systems,” said a voter, Elizabeth Shackelford as she received a round of applause from the audience. “Security of our vote is extraordinarily paramount. ... Why would you not go for the ultimate in transparency?”

But election officials said the touchscreen voting machines, called ballot-marking devices, are accurate because they can help avoid errors that could be introduced by voters marking their ballots by hand....

Critics of the touchscreen system, including cybersecurity experts, say the computer-printed ballots couldn’t be trusted.

Voters wouldn’t necessarily catch errors on their printed ballots, and voting information could be encoded in bar codes that humans wouldn’t be able to verify.

“There’s not a person here that can read a bar code,” said a voter, George Balbona. “You guys are boldly cramming this bill down our throat.”

About 55 percent of Georgia voters surveyed said in a poll by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution last month that they prefer paper ballots filled in by voters over paper ballots filled in by a computer.

 

https://www.courthousenews.com/activists-lose-bid-to-replace-georgia-voting-system/

 

ATLANTA (CN) — A federal judge on Sunday again rejected voting integrity activists’ efforts to force Georgia election officials to abandon the state’s new touchscreen voting machines in favor of hand-marked paper ballots for the November election in light of security concerns.

For the fourth time since activists brought a 2017 lawsuit challenging the integrity of Georgia’s voting machines, U.S. District Judge Amy Totenberg refused to order top election officials to replace touchscreen ballot-marking devices with hand-marked paper ballots despite concerns that the voting machines are vulnerable to security risks.

In a 147-page order issued the day before early voting began in the Peach State, Totenberg, a Barack Obama appointee, ruled that a “fundamental modification in the election system” so close to Election Day would overwhelm the secretary of state and county election offices.

“The court has already seen in the record of this case enough election chaos, operational deficiencies, and challenges on all levels, plus stress in the system spiked further by Covid-19 complications, that the court cannot embrace a rosy view of the simplicity of moving to a total, comprehensive paper ballot system with so little time to prepare for such a major transition,” the judge wrote....

The system uses touchscreen voting machines known as ballot-marking devices, or BMDs, to print a paper ballot with a non-encrypted QR code that is read by a scanner. The system does not produce a voter-verifiable paper record of the votes cast, requiring voters to trust that the barcode accurately conveys their intended ballot selections.

Activists allege that the barcode recording of votes can be manipulated through hacking.

Georgia is the only state using the barcode-based BMD system statewide as the mandatory voting method for all in-person voters.

 

https://www.courthousenews.com/under-court-order-georgia-rolls-out-new-voting-system/

 

In mid-August, the Coalition for Good Governance sought to amend its complaint in the lawsuit in which Totenburg ordered Georgia to get rid of its direct recording electronic machines. The system being implemented across the state, the coalition said, did not comply with the law the Legislature passed in April, and was unconstitutional.

Voters, the third proposed amended complaint said, could not verify that ballots’ barcodes read by the machine matched with what people intended to vote.

“Despite the fact that cybersecurity experts and government officials recommend a voting system that included a voter-verified paper trail, the Proposed Election System will rely on a non-voter-verified barcode as the elector’s actual vote,” the proposed amended complaint said.

 

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Raffensperger is ordering a hybrid "recount" as political cover.  Georgia forced a system onto voters, in which they were consistently polled as they not wanting, that was 3-4 times the cost of the previous system, that removed individual voters the ability to verify their actual votes,  raising questions on why the new system was not actually compliant with actual legislative voting system requirements, which was all approved by a Barack Obama appointed judge and DNC loyalist.  A system, that still prevailed in the bidding process despite all this,  by a company , Dominion, where the money trails back to a private equity firm, the McCarthy Group, where no one knows who are all the investors.

If voting sites were breached, as Powell will eventually claim, then there is ZERO guarantee that physically printed out ballots associated with their respective sites were secure. They are counting ballots in those storage rooms, but that doesn't change the flaw in that some ballots can be taken out and some ballots can be put into those storage rooms. This issue is exactly why so many people want non stop counting on Election Day, none of this "Well's is so late, let's send everyone home" problem. Because over a choice that can impact trillions of dollars, public policy and who controls American's nuclear arsenal, and with four entire years to plan out the logistics, there can't be non stop rotating shifts for a couple of freaking days?

If you have a system currently in place with a non verifiable voter record,  then the ONLY modification possible to that existing system, to assure an individual voter is being recorded accurately is a modification where voters have to dox themselves. That's not actual and functional anonymity.

Those mail in outer envelopes can be reviewed one by one, and they are not. Is there an exhaustive and complete review of the outer envelopes? No, there is not.

This entire situation is far more complex than many of you are making it out to be. ( But reducing it to Twitter sized sound bites makes "Orange Man Bad" easier to shout) Many of you want Powell to give you everything on YouTube exhaustively right now, and if not, you scream out that she's completely wrong. Here's the problem, she doesn't need to be completely right. If she can prove even 10-15 percent of what she's claiming, this entire country descends into open civil war on the streets.

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20 minutes ago, nysfl2 said:

They weren't fake, and he was impeached

Yes they were.  The fact that the Dems controlled the house and passed it all doesn't mean they WEREN'T fake, it just proves my point that it was anything to "get" Trump.

He wasn't removed from office which was the end goal - impeachment is a term used by the left to declare that "they got him" when they really didn't.  The goal was removal from office.

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The goal was holding him responsible for abuses of his office.  None of which were fake...he dod that and was impeached for it.  That isn’t fake...its what happened.

Nor does any of it excuse the behavior of Trump and his legal team and their despicable actions.

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2 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

Yes they were.  The fact that the Dems controlled the house and passed it all doesn't mean they WEREN'T fake, it just proves my point that it was anything to "get" Trump.

He wasn't removed from office which was the end goal - impeachment is a term used by the left to declare that "they got him" when they really didn't.  The goal was removal from office.

So you don't think that withholding approved funds from a foreign government until they investigate your main political rival is an impeachable offence?  And its not like they lacked proof.  Everyone read the transcribed telephone call.  Unless that was transcribed incorrectly, Trump would have been impeached or forced to resign in just about every first world country for doing that.  But that was a nothing-burger, right?

So bad...  

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1 hour ago, mcintyre1 said:

To quote Sidney Powell: "the storm is coming."

 

 

https://www.smartmatic.com/us/media/article/smartmatic-s-response-to-misinformation/

Smartmatic has never owned any shares or had any financial stake in Dominion Voting Systems. Smartmatic has never provided Dominion Voting Systems with any software, hardware or other technology. The two companies are competitors in the marketplace.

 

https://www.potteranderson.com/delawarecase-77.html

 

Smartmatic Int’l Corp. v. Dominion Voting Sys. Int’l Corp., C.A. No. 7844-VCP (Del. Ch. May 1, 2013) (Parsons, V.C.)

05.01.2013

 

In 2009, Defendant Dominion Voting Systems granted Plaintiff Smartmatic a worldwide (except for the United States and Canada) nonexclusive license to certain voting system technology and patent rights that Dominion owned or controlled.  The license agreement contained a noncompetition provision, which, among other things, prohibited Smartmatic from “develop[ing], market[ing] or sell[ing] any Licensed Product in the United States.” 

In 2012, Smartmatic submitted a bid to sell the licensed voting systems to the government of Puerto Rico for its upcoming elections.  Dominion also submitted a bid.  Upon learning of Smartmatic’s bid, Dominion notified Smartmatic by letter that Smartmatic was in breach of the license agreement’s noncompetition provision, asserting that Puerto Rico is “in the United States.”  Dominion also purported to terminate the agreement as a result of the alleged breach.  Smartmatic rejected Dominion’s termination as invalid, contending that Puerto Rico is not “in the United States.” 

Following its purported termination of the license agreement, Dominion ceased performing its contractual obligations, leading Smartmatic to file suit in the Court of Chancery.  In response, Dominion asserted counterclaims. 

 

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To be fair, it's actually the reverse of initial perception, a NCA can show validity that  they actually are competitors. But I see where Powell is going with this, instead of just following the money, she's also following the code involved.

How many people has she already flipped or will flip? And not just from Dominion.

This is generally the part of the political narrative where some Dominion and Smartmatic folks have the choice to flip or they tend to go on a light leisurely jog with Seth Rich. 

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For a group that is supposedly "done" with the Russia investigation, it's sure brought up a lot.  To the point, let's assume that the behavior of the Dems in that investigation are analogous to that of the GOP today in terms of the definition of "treason" (they aren't, but for point's sake let's assume they are).  The results will speak for themselves in terms of charges, convictions and monies collected right?  So, when this current election "investigation" turns up the same level or more than 199 criminal charges, 37 indictments or guilty pleas, and 5 prison sentences then we can talk about which one was "more" treasonous.  Obviously the more frivolous, the more "treasonous" right?  Sound good?  Seems fair.

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18 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

Seth rich?  Really going to go there man?  Pretty disgusting to infer such things.

 

If DNC power brokers are involved in actual election fraud and there is enough for Sydney Powell to prove it, there will need to be an attempt at housecleaning with anyone at Dominion or Smartmatic who might flip and have something of substance legally.  Housecleaning used as pure political absolution has been a tried and true tactic in all of recorded political history, in any era, anywhere around the world.

From today to even the time Cicero's hands were nailed to the Senate doors in ancient Rome.

RNC power brokers would do no better nor different if the situation was reversed.

The end result if Powell prevails is actual treason and sedition. When Cicero got clipped, he cared more about his potential legacy for generations to come over the fact that he was actually going to die. The mistake is thinking professional career politicians care about their current power more than they care about their perceived legacy.  However, a high level employee at Dominion is in a different boat, he might just want to survive period.

You want to discuss politics but you don't want to talk about the one overwhelming incentive for anyone at Dominion to flip. And Powell needs people to flip to prevail legally.

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