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How Much Voter Fraud Happened In 2020? (2 Viewers)

How much voter fraud do you think happened in 2020?

  • I voted for Biden and I think Voter Fraud was rampant - enough to impact the outcome.

    Votes: 8 1.7%
  • I voted for Biden and I think Voter Fraud was real - enough to maybe impact the outcome.

    Votes: 4 0.8%
  • I voted for Biden and I think Voter Fraud was minimal - not enough to make a real impact

    Votes: 65 13.7%
  • I voted for Biden and I think Voter Fraud was virtually non existent - no impact at all

    Votes: 269 56.9%
  • I voted for Trump and I think Voter Fraud was rampant - enough to impact the outcome.

    Votes: 26 5.5%
  • I voted for Trump and I think Voter Fraud was real - enough to maybe impact the outcome.

    Votes: 23 4.9%
  • I voted for Trump and I think Voter Fraud was minimal - not enough to make a real impact

    Votes: 14 3.0%
  • I voted for Trump and I think Voter Fraud was virtually non existent - no impact at all

    Votes: 8 1.7%
  • I voted for a 3rd party or didn't vote and I think Voter Fraud was rampant - enough to impact the ou

    Votes: 7 1.5%
  • I voted for a 3rd party or didn't vote and I think Voter Fraud was real - enough to maybe impact the

    Votes: 11 2.3%
  • I voted for a 3rd party or didn't vote and I think Voter Fraud was minimal - not enough to make a re

    Votes: 20 4.2%
  • I voted for a 3rd party or didn't vote and I think Voter Fraud was virtually non existent - no impac

    Votes: 18 3.8%

  • Total voters
    473
Let a computer do it. And when a signature is rejected, it should be evaluated by a group of representatives from both parties.
Well this part is pretty much the system that is in place right now. Right? Dominion machines count the votes and disputes and mail in ballots are evaluated by reps from both parties. Do you think there would be any less complaining about the system that you propose and the system that is in place right now?

 
Let a computer do it. And when a signature is rejected, it should be evaluated by a group of representatives from both parties.
Well this part is pretty much the system that is in place right now. Right? Dominion machines count the votes and disputes and mail in ballots are evaluated by reps from both parties. Do you think there would be any less complaining about the system that you propose and the system that is in place right now?
You're talking about something different, I think. You're talking about the observers in the room, right? All those people do is watch the workers process ballots. They're not allowed to actually get involved.

I'm talking about having Republican and Democrat representatives, appointed by the party, who are actually responsible for validating signatures. Let the computer handle the bulk of them, but any signature that is questionable should go to the party reps for final evaluation. If they don't both approve, then the ballot gets flagged for a fraud investigation.

 
Do people understand the logistical nightmare it would be to submit 10s of thousands of fraudulent mail-in ballots, across multiple states, counties and precincts?

I don’t have the sense that people understand how impossible it would be to do that - let alone not get caught. 
Exactly. I do mail in ballots. Each ballot is specify to the county I live and also to the city I live in.

 
Let a computer do it. And when a signature is rejected, it should be evaluated by a group of representatives from both parties.
Isn't that kind of what happens? Maybe not by computer but if their is a question on a signature multiple people look at it.
But who are the "multiple people"? I don't think that decision should be entirely put into the hands of people who might oppose my beliefs. I think my side should get fair representation there.

 
But who are the "multiple people"? I don't think that decision should be entirely put into the hands of people who might oppose my beliefs. I think my side should get fair representation there.
I'm almost positive there are people from all sides involved. 

 
But who are the "multiple people"? I don't think that decision should be entirely put into the hands of people who might oppose my beliefs. I think my side should get fair representation there.
I don't know how it works in every state, but I think signatures are usually verified, before the inner envelopes are opened, by partisans from each party.

 
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I’m always a little amazed that I’m allowed to vote since my current signature looks absolutely nothing like it did when I registered to vote at 18.
I don't bother trying to pen a legitimate signature anymore.  I just draw a little swirl with the electronic pen and call it a day.  There's no way the signature on my ID is remotely close to what I put down when I voted. 

 
I think this was the intent all along.  That, and staying out of jail.

Trump is fueled by unbridled adoration.

If Biden, or the rest of the country, think that Trump is going away in any meaningful fashion - I think they will be sadly mistaken.
My guess is the same day Biden has his inauguration, Trump holds a rally in Florida announcing the start of his 2024 campaign for President. He will continue his rallies, maintain claims he’s the legit President and the county is overrun with fraud. He will harass Biden in everything he does and make the divide in the country even worse than it already is.

 
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My guess is the same day Biden has his inauguration, Trump holds a rally in Florida announcing the start of his 2024 campaign for President. He will continue his rallies, maintain claims he’s the legit President and the county is overrun with fraud. He will harass Biden in everything he does and make the divide in the country even worse than it already is.
This is how I see it too.

 
My guess is the same day Biden has his inauguration, Trump holds a rally in Florida announcing the start of his 2024 campaign for President. He will continue his rallies, maintain claims he’s the legit President and the county is overrun with fraud. He will harass Biden in everything he does and make the divide in the country even worse than it already is.
I think Mitch McConnell will eventually get jealous.

 
I don't believe that fraud is a big problem, but I do support Trump's right to have his day in court. My hope is that this exercise shows that there are loopholes in the system which could be exploited by an unethical party. For example, we should be saving the envelopes with signatures on them and we should not let random liberal bureaucrats be the judge of signature matches.
You do understand that secret balloting is a fundamental premise of free elections. At some point, the signature needs to be separated from the ballot. 

 
well?????
Sorry - was trying to get a more concrete answer/link but it looks like Powell is looking to appeal her four cases directly to the Supreme Court bypassing the lower courts. She’s seeking a Writ of Mandamus.

Basically (and real lawyers can/should chime in) she is asking the supreme court to tell the lower courts that she wins (ignoring the lower courts prior rulings). 

 
Sorry - was trying to get a more concrete answer/link but it looks like Powell is looking to appeal her four cases directly to the Supreme Court bypassing the lower courts. She’s seeking a Writ of Mandamus.

Basically (and real lawyers can/should chime in) she is asking the supreme court to tell the lower courts that she wins (ignoring the lower courts prior rulings). 
Is there a number smaller than 0 to represent the chance of this  plan working?

 
Sorry - was trying to get a more concrete answer/link but it looks like Powell is looking to appeal her four cases directly to the Supreme Court bypassing the lower courts. She’s seeking a Writ of Mandamus.

Basically (and real lawyers can/should chime in) she is asking the supreme court to tell the lower courts that she wins (ignoring the lower courts prior rulings). 
Since the Trump campaign distanced themselves from Powell, anyone know who is paying her fee these days?

 
Since the Trump campaign distanced themselves from Powell, anyone know who is paying her fee these days?
Donations - she set up a 501c4 to investigate election fraud (Legal Defense Fund for the American Republic I think is the name). This thing is basically a racket to earn money as honestly her legal filings are so bad she probably has some law schools student doing all the work for free. I haven’t seen anything this bad in my 15+ years practicing law.
 

Yankeefan has pointed out numerous times that legal work is so bad it is actually doing a disservice if you believe there are real problems with our elections that could be improved. 

 
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Donations - she set up a 501c3 to investigate election fraud (Legal Defense Fund for the American Republic). This thing is basically a racket to earn money as honestly her legal filings are so bad she probably has some law schools student doing all the work for free. I haven’t seen anything this bad in my 15+ years practicing law.
 

Yankeefan has pointed out numerous times that legal work is so bad it is actually doing a disservice if you believe there are real problems with out elections that could be improved. 
The last I saw, the fund she was using did not qualify as a 501(c)(3) and she was asking donors to write checks directly payable to her law firm. 

 
You're talking about something different, I think. You're talking about the observers in the room, right? All those people do is watch the workers process ballots. They're not allowed to actually get involved.

I'm talking about having Republican and Democrat representatives, appointed by the party, who are actually responsible for validating signatures. Let the computer handle the bulk of them, but any signature that is questionable should go to the party reps for final evaluation. If they don't both approve, then the ballot gets flagged for a fraud investigation.
Before we go off creating huge bureaucracies that would slow down elections and cost 10s of billions of dollars, shouldn’t there be some evidence of voter fraud? 

 
Donations - she set up a 501c4 to investigate election fraud (Legal Defense Fund for the American Republic I think is the name). This thing is basically a racket to earn money as honestly her legal filings are so bad she probably has some law schools student doing all the work for free. I haven’t seen anything this bad in my 15+ years practicing law.
 

Yankeefan has pointed out numerous times that legal work is so bad it is actually doing a disservice if you believe there are real problems with our elections that could be improved. 
The word district was misspelled twice on the freaking title/headline of the filing in Michigan. This is so embarrassing for a lot of people.

 
I don't believe that fraud is a big problem, but I do support Trump's right to have his day in court. My hope is that this exercise shows that there are loopholes in the system which could be exploited by an unethical party. For example, we should be saving the envelopes with signatures on them and we should not let random liberal bureaucrats be the judge of signature matches.
Curious what you think this accomplishes :confused:  

 
Let a computer do it. And when a signature is rejected, it should be evaluated by a group of representatives from both parties.
This is what happens in Florida already :shrug:  

ETA:  And I don't think it should be "reps from both parties".  It should be an independent firm in that area of expertise.  Remember the "hanging chad" crap that was pulled here?  Same exact thing happens here when two hillbillies can't agree that there's a smudge in the signature vs it being forged.

 
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The house is certainly not going to vote to overturn the election. It is nearly impossible that the Senate would.
Based on their actions so far, 50% of the Republican House caucus seems like they'd be down.

And of course, this lowers the bar for next time.  The same way FOX propagandized for decades to convince working class whites that black and brown people were to blame for their problems, it won't take a lot more to convince them that no elections (that they lose) are valid and dirty socialists deserve everything they get.  You can see it happening in real time and we shouldn't shrug off the possibility of going from 50% to 100% of Republicans IMO.

 
Based on their actions so far, 50% of the Republican House caucus seems like they'd be down.

And of course, this lowers the bar for next time.  The same way FOX propagandized for decades to convince working class whites that black and brown people were to blame for their problems, it won't take a lot more to convince them that no elections (that they lose) are valid and dirty socialists deserve everything they get.  You can see it happening in real time and we shouldn't shrug off the possibility of going from 50% to 100% of Republicans IMO.
100% of Republicans voting to overturn the election would be a disaster for the country, but will do nothing to change election results. 

 
Donations - she set up a 501c4 to investigate election fraud (Legal Defense Fund for the American Republic I think is the name). This thing is basically a racket to earn money as honestly her legal filings are so bad she probably has some law schools student doing all the work for free. I haven’t seen anything this bad in my 15+ years practicing law.
 

Yankeefan has pointed out numerous times that legal work is so bad it is actually doing a disservice if you believe there are real problems with our elections that could be improved. 
I didn't know you were a lawyer. Shoot, as much time as I've spent here the last 4 years maybe I'm a lawyer too since it seems like everyone here are lawyers. 

 
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Any evidence yet?
There were two cases in Wisconsin in which the court allowed the Trump/GOP side to actually present evidence.  A case in federal court was set for an evidentiary hearing on Thursday, with both sides having filed witness lists and the Court allowing them to present their evidence.  They came to an agreement on stipulated facts, so no evidence was taken, but the Court's (fantastic) written opinion (released yesterday) is based on facts and evidence as well as law (he found that he had Article III standing to consider the claims in that case.)  There was also a case before the Wisconsin Supreme Court about  2 weeks ago that was remanded to state court for presentation of evidence.  The State Court dismissed the case late last week, with specific findings of fact.  That decision was appealed to the State Supreme Court which heard argument yesterday (https://wiseye.org/2020/12/12/wisconsin-supreme-court-oral-argument-donald-j-trump-v-joseph-r-biden/)  I'm thankful for these two cases in our state because they weren't dismissed out of hand based on a pleading defect or standing, but actually gave these clowns an opportunity to present their evidence in Court. 

 

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