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35 minutes ago, Sea Duck said:

"In a statement to the Houston Chronicle, a spokesperson for Patrick responded to Fetterman's tweets, saying: “It is not clear why Lt. Gov. Fetterman continues on this topic since Democrats don’t believe in voter fraud, unless it's Russia.""

 

Pretty weak comeback, IMO. Is "But Russia" going to be the Republican calling card for the next 20 years?

Nobody said Russia interfered in our elections. Unless you count the CIA, FBI, NSA, and even AG Barr. Yes, this is the new Obama is going to take your guns and SOCIALISM. 

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2 minutes ago, 2Squirrels1Nut said:
37 minutes ago, Sea Duck said:

"In a statement to the Houston Chronicle, a spokesperson for Patrick responded to Fetterman's tweets, saying: “It is not clear why Lt. Gov. Fetterman continues on this topic since Democrats don’t believe in voter fraud, unless it's Russia.""

 

Pretty weak comeback, IMO. Is "But Russia" going to be the Republican calling card for the next 20 years?

Nobody said Russia interfered in our elections. Unless you count the CIA, FBI, NSA, and even AG Barr. Yes, this is the new Obama is going to take your guns and SOCIALISM. 

Owning-the-libs-by-downplaying-Russia seems like a misguided strategy in the face of being hacked by them.

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2 hours ago, 2Squirrels1Nut said:

Nobody said Russia interfered in our elections. Unless you count the CIA, FBI, NSA, and even AG Barr. Yes, this is the new Obama is going to take your guns and SOCIALISM. 

It wouldn’t be called DEEP state if it were shallow, my man.  Plus I’m sure all those institutions have had leaders that donated money to the Clintons at some point, or in the case of Barr, have friends that did.  Follow the money bro!

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6 hours ago, Sea Duck said:

"In a statement to the Houston Chronicle, a spokesperson for Patrick responded to Fetterman's tweets, saying: “It is not clear why Lt. Gov. Fetterman continues on this topic since Democrats don’t believe in voter fraud, unless it's Russia.""

 

Pretty weak comeback, IMO. Is "But Russia" going to be the Republican calling card for the next 20 years?

 

"Russia rigged the election!" - DNC, 2016-2019

"There's no way this election was rigged!" - DNC, 2020

"If there's nothing to hide, let 'The Process' happen!" - DNC, 2016-2019

"Shut up and concede! BTW, we just stoned Sam Hinkie to death." - DNC, 2020

 

https://time.com/5557693/mueller-report-cost/

"Between May 17, 2017 — the day Mueller was appointed Special Counsel — through Sept. 30, 2018, his office spent $12,287,852. This includes $7.3 million on salaries and benefits, $1.3 million on travel and transportation, and $2.2 million on rent and utilities. In the most recent of the three expense reports filed, the Special Counsel’s office also says it spent $15,618 on printing and copying needs.

Not included in these figures are “component expenses” incurred by the Department of Justice at large. These additional costs totaled $12,928,000, though the DOJ says it was not legally required to report them, and that they are approximate to what the DOJ would have spent elsewhere if the Special Counsel’s Office didn’t exist.

Mueller’s office has not yet filed an expense report for the last six months of his investigation, but including the DOJ’s contributions, the total reported cost so far is $25.2 million.

The fourth and final expense report has not yet been released, though it is likely that it will come out soon. The first three reports totaled approximately $6.8 million, $10 million and $8.5 million, respectively. So the last one, if comparable to the others, would make the final dollar amount of Mueller’s probe between $32 million and $35 million.

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Mueller’s team included 19 lawyers supported by 40 FBI agents, along with intelligence analysts, forensic accountants and other staff, according to Attorney General William Barr’s summary of the report from March.

The probe, which lasted from May 2017 to March 2019"

 

You can't spend this much money, time, manpower and public spotlight and get close to zero and not eat the fallout of that failure. And the following reference list is just in case any of you woke cancel culture lefties want to dispute the massive resources expended for what DNC mouthpiece CNN reporter Van Jones called a "nothing burger"

 

The Mueller Investigation had near unlimited subpoena powers :

https://heavy.com/news/2017/05/robert-mueller-special-prosecutor-counsel-what-powers-authority/

Including access to nearly all digital data (Courtesy of the NSA) :

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/exposure-of-nsa-surveillance-draws-attention-to-mueller-remark-about-real-time-email-tracking

Directly employed 19 lawyers, who were assisted by a team of about 40 FBI agents, intelligence analysts, forensic accountants and other professional/support staff :

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/mueller-investigation-numbers-days-witnesses

Issued more than 2,800 subpoenas and executed close to 500 search warrants :

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/you-paid-22-months-19-lawyers-40-fbi-2800-subpoenas-500-search-warrants-500

It took two years :

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/23/706143881/timeline-of-the-mueller-investigation

Cost (At least/Projected) $32 million dollars  :

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/02/robert-muellers-russia-probe-cost-nearly-32-million-in-total-doj.html

“The Russia thing is just a big nothingburger. There’s nothing there you can do,"  CNN Van Jones says.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/339867-okeefe-video-shows-cnns-van-jones-calling-russia-story-a-nothingburger

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Ill give a million bucks to the first person who links a credible "lib" claiming russia "rigged" the election in 2016. 

And so we're clear and you arent wasting your time "might have" <> "did" and "rigged"<> "interfered".......go!!

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24 minutes ago, The Commish said:

Ill give a million bucks to the first person who links a credible "lib" claiming russia "rigged" the election in 2016. 

And so we're clear and you arent wasting your time "might have" <> "did" and "rigged"<> "interfered".......go!!

They keep moving the goalposts until even Scott Norwood can kick it dead solid perfect.   And don't even ask me about their strawman factories.

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So MAGA fans are saying ATT building was where dominion voting machines were going to be inspected. Also saying something happened in Miami (last night) but not saying what...I’m sure it’s more crazy...

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On 12/24/2020 at 10:58 AM, Sea Duck said:

Owning-the-libs-by-downplaying-Russia seems like a misguided strategy in the face of being hacked by them.

It might have been China!  Or at least so Trump claims, since he seems to always stand up for Russia and his puppetmaster.

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3 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

“We write to you now because you have positioned yourself as a prominent leader of the ongoing misinformation campaign by pretending to have some sort of ‘insider’s knowledge’ regarding Dominion’s business activities, when in reality you were hired through a staffing agency for one day to clean glass on machines and complete other menial tasks,” the letter stated.

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Just now, Amused to Death said:

“We write to you now because you have positioned yourself as a prominent leader of the ongoing misinformation campaign by pretending to have some sort of ‘insider’s knowledge’ regarding Dominion’s business activities, when in reality you were hired through a staffing agency for one day to clean glass on machines and complete other menial tasks,” the letter stated.

Rudy’s start witness.

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4 minutes ago, Amused to Death said:

“We write to you now because you have positioned yourself as a prominent leader of the ongoing misinformation campaign by pretending to have some sort of ‘insider’s knowledge’ regarding Dominion’s business activities, when in reality you were hired through a staffing agency for one day to clean glass on machines and complete other menial tasks,” the letter stated.

Rudy’s start witness.

I'm just shocked - SHOCKED! - that this rag-tag group of renegade rebel attorneys weren't able to overturn a national election. 

Is the Trump campaign still, um, requesting donations to fight the evil empire?

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20 minutes ago, Amused to Death said:

I'm just shocked - SHOCKED! - that this rag-tag group of renegade rebel attorneys weren't able to overturn a national election. 

Is the Trump campaign still, um, requesting donations to fight the evil empire?

Twitter is full of people demanding GoP protest the January 6th electoral college, and if they don't they will be voted out

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5 minutes ago, belljr said:

Twitter is full of people demanding GoP protest the January 6th electoral college, and if they don't they will be voted out

And this goes hand-in-hand with healing and moving forward. The lame-duck president has done nothing but foment mistrust and division. Its not going to be easy to overcome in a single Presidential term I fear. And the people who replace the incumbents are going to be even further out there with the conspiracy theories (Q-Anon).

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15 hours ago, Amused to Death said:

“We write to you now because you have positioned yourself as a prominent leader of the ongoing misinformation campaign by pretending to have some sort of ‘insider’s knowledge’ regarding Dominion’s business activities, when in reality you were hired through a staffing agency for one day to clean glass on machines and complete other menial tasks,” the letter stated.

Only the best witnesses.

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15 hours ago, Amused to Death said:

“We write to you now because you have positioned yourself as a prominent leader of the ongoing misinformation campaign by pretending to have some sort of ‘insider’s knowledge’ regarding Dominion’s business activities, when in reality you were hired through a staffing agency for one day to clean glass on machines and complete other menial tasks,” the letter stated.

Only the best witnesses.

I truly hope Dominion takes them all to court for defamation (or whatever applies). Let both sides bring all of their evidence to court for all to see.  Somewhat telling, imo, that Fox News and Newsmax opted to recant their stories rather than produce the evidence.

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47 minutes ago, Amused to Death said:

I truly hope Dominion takes them all to court for defamation (or whatever applies). Let both sides bring all of their evidence to court for all to see.  Somewhat telling, imo, that Fox News and Newsmax opted to recant their stories rather than produce the evidence.

Maybe they'll win like Nick Sandman did.

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2 minutes ago, shader said:

Trump just dropped this bomb

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1343663159085834248?s=20

:lmao:

I think he's clearly just reading Q posts now.

Even if the first part were true (hint: it's not), his conclusion doesn't follow.  But his followers lap it up and send more donations, so it's working.

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2 minutes ago, shader said:

Trump just dropped this bomb

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1343663159085834248?s=20

:lmao:

I think he's clearly just reading Q posts now.

And I have seen a couple of people repost that drivel on FB.  Really scary to think where this may go when people don't find out facts and just believe.

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Just now, Bogeys said:

And I have seen a couple of people repost that drivel on FB.  Really scary to think where this may go when people don't find out facts and just believe.

It's such an easy thing to check.  Amazing he's reached this point.  

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Wonder if he confused this with the post that 205000 voters switched from republican to democrat.... Which I don't know is true either 

Eta: might have been reversed

 

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21 minutes ago, belljr said:

Wonder if he confused this with the post that 205000 voters switched from republican to democrat.... Which I don't know is true either

Looks like Trump saw this article, and did a poor job of summarizing it.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-pennsylvania-certified-results-president-found-error-error-twice-size-difference-candidates/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=PostBottomSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

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15 hours ago, Bogeys said:

And I have seen a couple of people repost that drivel on FB.  Really scary to think where this may go when people don't find out facts and just believe.

It has been really scary for the last 4 years and the crazy isn't even close to being over.  Trump could have these people believing aliens from outer space were screwing with voting machines and casting votes for Biden.   

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34 minutes ago, The General said:

This guy seems real neat Hawley

Hey Missouri, please bounce this guy next election. Simply a hack. 

He’s a lawyer versed in constitutional law, which means he knows darn well that there is no constitutional support for overturning the election in the way he implies it can be. What he is doing is the height of cynicism and theater.

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5 minutes ago, GroveDiesel said:

He’s a lawyer versed in constitutional law, which means he knows darn well that there is no constitutional support for overturning the election in the way he implies it can be. What he is doing is the height of cynicism and theater.

And a waste of time and resources.  

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1 hour ago, GroveDiesel said:

He’s a lawyer versed in constitutional law, which means he knows darn well that there is no constitutional support for overturning the election in the way he implies it can be. What he is doing is the height of cynicism and theater.

He obviously believes this will help him in his 2024 Presidential run.  Maybe he's angling for Trump's endorsement (assuming Trump doesn't run himself).

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45 minutes ago, Marauder said:

He obviously believes this will help him in his 2024 Presidential run.  Maybe he's angling for Trump's endorsement (assuming Trump doesn't run himself).

Josh Hawley Opposes Democracy doesn't seem like the kind of campaign slogan that would have mass appeal in the general election, but maybe it'll resonate with a certain bloc of voters in the primaries.

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3 minutes ago, Sea Duck said:

Josh Hawley Opposes Democracy doesn't seem like the kind of campaign slogan that would have mass appeal in the general election, but maybe it'll resonate with a certain bloc of voters in the primaries.

I've read your posts in several threads where you repeat stuff like this.  I find it hard to swallow considering the left threw Democracy out the window the last four years to try to take down a sitting US President.  Now you're in here outraged that other people are SUPPOSEDLY doing the same things.

You probably should just sit this one out.  Or, at the very least, reword your posts so they are not so hypocritical.

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19 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

I find it hard to swallow considering the left threw Democracy out the window the last four years to try to take down a sitting US President.

Interesting that you consider constitutional impeachment for a sitting president conditioning foreign aid on election support/interference ‘throwing democracy out the window.’ Some might say Trump’s role in that was the only act throwing democracy out a window.

There is literally no evidence of any kind to support defying electoral college certification.

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2 hours ago, BigJim® said:

Interesting that you consider constitutional impeachment for a sitting president conditioning foreign aid on election support/interference ‘throwing democracy out the window.’ Some might say Trump’s role in that was the only act throwing democracy out a window.

There is literally no evidence of any kind to support defying electoral college certification.

It was an illegitimate attempt using the fake paid-for-by-the-DNC Russian dossier.  You know.  I know it.  Everyone knows it.

And then everything else on top of that.  It was "Get Trump" from day 1, regardless of the truth.

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32 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

It was an illegitimate attempt using the fake paid-for-by-the-DNC Russian dossier.  You know.  I know it.  Everyone knows it.

And then everything else on top of that.  It was "Get Trump" from day 1, regardless of the truth.

The impeachment wasn't about the dossier.  In fact Pelosi specifically said she didn't want any impeachment proceedings to stem from the Steele dossier and Trump's dealings with Russia in the 2016 election.  You can read the articles of impeachment here: https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/hres755/BILLS-116hres755enr.pdf

There are 2 Articles, both of which involve incidents while Trump was already President (hence after the Steele dossier).

1) Abuse of Power - Related to his solicitation of interference of a foreign government (Ukraine) in the 2020 general election
2) Obstruction of Congress - Related to President Trump instructing executive branch officials to not respond to lawful subpoenas for information and testimony on the topics related to Article 1.

Therefore, the impeachment by the House was very legitimate. 

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35 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

It was an illegitimate attempt using the fake paid-for-by-the-DNC Russian dossier.  You know.  I know it.  Everyone knows it.

And then everything else on top of that.  It was "Get Trump" from day 1, regardless of the truth.

Except thats not the truth and you know that.   There are phone calls and evidence.  IF President Trump had nothing to hide, he would of let the people speak and would of provided the documents asked for.  Instead he block and hindered the public from seeing the truth.  And he paid the price of it by not being re elected President of the United States.  He has his cult followers, but the majority of Americans know the truth.. despite the PR Machine of the Trumps.  

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Truth...how can someone talk about truth after making a completely false claim about what impeachment was about?  It had zero to do with the dossier or the Russian investigation (and investigation that was also legitmate).

 

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6 hours ago, Sea Duck said:
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Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a Republican, said the audit results confirmed the election outcome again after two recounts— both by hand and machine — of all 5 million ballots cast in Georgia’s presidential election.

"but the deep state"

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Trump really does love some crazy ### lawyers. Holy ####

-edit- this is Chief Justice John Roberts he is talking about here

https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1344451598131617792?s=19

My information from reliable source is that Roberts arranged an illegal adoption of two young children from Wales through Jeffrey Epstein. 

I think we can all agree that Epstein knows pedophilia.

If only Jeffrey Epstein was still alive . . . 

Wouldn’t that be something?

 

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4 minutes ago, the moops said:

Trump really does love some crazy ### lawyers. Holy ####

-edit- this is Chief Justice John Roberts he is talking about here

https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1344451598131617792?s=19

My information from reliable source is that Roberts arranged an illegal adoption of two young children from Wales through Jeffrey Epstein. 

I think we can all agree that Epstein knows pedophilia.

If only Jeffrey Epstein was still alive . . . 

Wouldn’t that be something?

 

Ummm why would anyone be doing that and why should they expect to keep any law license? 

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Thankfully all of the recounts, audits, investigations, more recounts, lawsuits, and even more recounts have shown no wide-spread voter fraud. But just to be reeeaally sure, we should hold up the stimulus checks and create another government committee. Hurry, there's only 2 days left so rush it through!

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8 hours ago, GroveDiesel said:

He’s a lawyer versed in constitutional law, which means he knows darn well that there is no constitutional support for overturning the election in the way he implies it can be. What he is doing is the height of cynicism and theater.

 

That's not Hawley's and McConnell's overall strategy.

https://www.npr.org/2017/11/03/561976645/clinton-campaign-had-additional-signed-agreement-with-dnc-in-2015

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/memo-reveals-details-hillary-clinton-dnc-deal-n817411

When Hillary Clinton ran in 2016, she used Joint Fund-Raising Agreements to have large political donations bypass standard limits then funnel through to Democrats in all the states then kicked back to DNC headquarters, which by contract, she controlled. It's how Hillary Clinton jobbed Bernie Sanders and how Joe Biden or Kamala Harris were predestined for the 2020 ticket by a feudal financial arrangement where the legacy started in the Obama administration.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/

Executive Order on Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election

Foreign Policy Issued on: September 12, 2018

Any recommended sanctions shall be appropriately calibrated to the scope of the foreign interference identified, and may include one or more of the following with respect to each targeted foreign person:

(i) blocking and prohibiting all transactions in a person’s property and interests in property subject to United States jurisdiction;

(iii) prohibitions on United States financial institutions making loans or providing credit to a person;

(iv) restrictions on transactions in foreign exchange in which a person has any interest;

(v) prohibitions on transfers of credit or payments between financial institutions, or by, through, or to any financial institution, for the benefit of a person;

(vi) prohibitions on United States persons investing in or purchasing equity or debt of a person;

(ix) any other measures authorized by law.

 

*******

With Trump's 2018 election fraud executive order, if fraud can be found and proven, then that means the US government can essentially shut down the violator's entire financial reach/ability.  Since this would naturally dovetail into the Patriot Act, then we are talking seizure of assets. All of them. Since the DNC funnels all their money in and out of one pipe to maintain it's feudal control over individual representatives at the state level who require a specific "burn rate" ( i.e. what the projections to run daily operations in dollars per month) that would otherwise neutralize them politically otherwise ( You can't win your down the ticket elections without money and financial campaign disparity has an exponential impact the farther down the ticket you go), it means the executive order could financially cripple the DNC all at once.

Proving campaign finance fraud is difficult. If the FEC won't go after Hillary Clinton, then they won't go after anyone with real power. However this forces the books open, which is where things get lethal. Once the books open with discovery, then you can go down the line and nail people for tax fraud. IRS Section 527 violations will put people in prison or force them to flip.

If you demonetize the DNC and start putting people in bracelets and chains, you've crushed the relationship/business network that supports the party. Decades long alliances like Comcast and Joe Biden fall apart. So while a Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton might fall on their sword because of political legacy, a small fish like Stacey Abrams would just flip. Then you can go after major donors and corporations. Jeffrey Katzenberg is a major DNC fundraiser. You dovetail the money chain and you've forced Hollywood, Big Tech, Big Social Media and the MSM to run for cover.

This is why Dominion shut down all it's offices and most of their employees went into hiding and you could see the smoke trail from their burn boxes. If the private equity cabal, the McCarthy Group gets fully outed, and has relatives of DNC power players as bag men, this opens up the doorway to hell.

Hawley doesn't care about election/voter fraud, he cares about the cutting off the DNC's financial pipeline.

Hypothetical - What do you think would happen if 1000 subscribers signed a letter sent to Sigmund Bloom that said if FBG didn't have a female football analyst front and center in two weeks, they'd cancel their subscriptions. All of them, all at once, and they'd all send hand written letters to the MSM on their way out the door.  You think losing that much money at once isn't going to set the entire world on fire here? The point being, once you start choking the money, you start the process of complete and total devastation.

It's bizarre to me the clear leftist narrative in this subforum that all Republicans and conservatives are some kind of monolithic dim witted Morlocks driving a big truck with flags and enjoys being in some kind of cult because they hate America.

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I suppose that Trump supporters here are okay with this Trump tweet?

"Now it turns out that Brad R's brother works for China, and they definitely don't want 'Trump'. So disgusting!" 

It turns out Raffensperger has no siblings who work for China, as Trump baselessly alleged. 

"There are no relatives who work for China or are affiliated with China," said Georgia Deputy Secretary of State Jordan Fuchs.

Trump apparently got his information from an interview on Newsmax with Dick Morris who was pushing conspiracy theories about the Georgia Secretary of State.

After the interview Newsmax issued this statement:  “Newsmax has never made any claim of impropriety by Georgia Sec. of State Brad Raffensperger or any member of his family. On Tuesday night, while appearing on the network, commentator Dick Morris claimed he was reporting on Dickmorris.com an allegation that Raffensperger had a brother who worked at a Chinese company. This claim was apparently inaccurate. During the segment the Newsmax host was highly skeptical of Mr. Morris' claims and suggested there was no evidence behind Mr. Morris' assertion, and specifically asked Mr. Morris to provide evidence of his claim."

Just another bold faced lie that Trump tweets, this time about a fellow Republican and yet people still follow this guy.

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13 hours ago, BladeRunner said:

It was an illegitimate attempt using the fake paid-for-by-the-DNC Russian dossier.  You know.  I know it.  Everyone knows it.

And then everything else on top of that.  It was "Get Trump" from day 1, regardless of the truth.

"Regardless of truth" I agree with in your post. Just own that you blindly accept fiction over facts, and you are more than willing to throw a democracy under a bus over conspiracy theories.

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