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Good points, thank you.
Not without accountability and contrition. You can’t baselessly attack the foundation of democracy for 2 months, summon your flock to DC on the basis of the great lie, whip them into a frenzy and send them marching in the Capitol resulting in death and destruction and then say “let’s just all move on”.stlrams said:
TWTR is down 12% over the last 5 days and down 15% YTD. Not a fun ride if you're long,but plummet? That's a stretch. Some might even view the correction as a buying opportunity.
He didn't even directly compare them. He intimated that the corporations were worse by alleging their actions would "make the Nazis blush" because, you know, outright genocide and the promotion of a master race is apparently peanuts versus deciding whether to offer an internet platform to certain customers.
Nothing is going to close the divide between hardcore Trumpists and moderate GOP, nor between the extreme left and right. What a censure would do, however, is help move the center of gravity more towards the center so neither party is controlled as much by their partisan factions.
I'd push back here, personally. If Trump gets impeached and convicted, he cannot hold office again. As far as I'm aware, censure doesn't accomplish that. I feel that our next four years will be very different depending on whether or not Trump can seek election in 2024.
Oh, those are zany constitutionalists who believe there's a provision in the Uniform Commericial Code requiring some sort of actual contractual assent between the particular governmental entities in the country and inidividual persons. An extension of that argument is that the contract can be unilaterally revoked/terminated by the individual. Hence the "we don't consent to be governed comment."
These two youtube comments brilliantly sum up the federal postal court:
That's cool. IMHO this fear is greatly exaggerated. Nixon was never formally prevented from running again...and yet he was clearly toast once impeached. Ditto for Trump.
Nixon resigned during his second term as President. He could not run for President again.
The last 5ish years have been one incident after another that's been thought of as "surely, this will be Trump's political downfall" -- I'm past assuming that'll ever happen. Frankly I'm not even sure being legally barred from office would be enough to stop Trump from trying again in 2024.
2024 will be a referendum on the Biden/Harris administration's four-year performance.
So long as Biden stays healthy and wants to run again, he should win quite easily in 2024.
I'm more concerned about Trump further driving the discourse towards violent conflict and lies than anything else. But, given the tone of your comments I think I'm just going to move on and ignore you like the others. Have a good season, guy.
Simon sez...JAA said:
I can't stand slippery slopes. While nobody denies they exist to some extent, it's an intellectually lazy way to justify an otherwise unreasonable, inflexible stance. Working for compromise will go a lot farther than refusing to negotiate based on fears of a worst case scenario.timschochet said:
Both in here and in the media it seems that preventing Trump from seeking/gaining office again is the primary reason for pursuing impeachment vs. censure. Is that not your observation? I'm saying Trump's political future is non-existent, and even more so if Biden does his job.
Yes I think it’s a good goal. Although I agree with you that Trump can’t win again the amount of damage he can do as a candidate should not be underrated. More than that it’s a fitting punishment for him as not being able to run again will seriously weaken his fundraising ability.
That’s not necessarily true. I’m sure there are quite a few people who believe there was significant fraud who can also live peacefully with others.
I'm bad at analogies (but great mixed metaphors are always a possibiility), but what I'm hearing from your reasonable Trump supporters feels like "heads I win, tails you lose," and my gut reaction is a resounding "NO." Let's take our medicine and reckon with recent history, because sure as #### things will only get worse otherwise.Since it seems I'm the representative for my reasonable Trump supporting friendsthey would say the exact same but flipped with "I'm not even sure why people are going for impeachment unless they just hate letting Trump supporters get a tiny "win" of leaving office without impeachment."
I know that's not a popular take here and I don't know that I agree with it and I have no interest or time to debate it. But that's what they tell me.
I do personally think impeachment is increasing the divide and distracting from serious challenges that need to be taken on with Covid and the economy.
I'll bow out now.
So, without being privy to all the evidence, you've made up your mind it's impossible Trump promoted the insurrection. How will you react if he is convicted?Insein said:
Many of us never thought Trump had a chance being elected in the first place. While I'd like to think people have come to their senses, I'd prefer to remove any chance he has to be re-elected. That's not to say he and/or his family won't be involved in American politics whatsoever, but limiting their power is extremely important.
What do you base this on exactly? He's adored by MILLIONS of people. As long as he's an option he has a substantial political future. Of course, it will be for the GOP to deal with internally. He'd make HUGE noise in the 2024 primary if allowed. Would he win? Don't know, but he's woven into the fabric of the party until he dies.
I dont understand these statements. Who is scared? How are they projecting that fear? I dont see it.
As a life-long DC area resident, I've been thinking about this recently. It stinks that more and more of the city is being blocked off. Obviously I understand the reasoning, but it still stinks.
Is this like the old joke:
Yes. It would be tragic and sad on many levels.
Extremely hard to imagine anything like this happening if Romney or Kasich were the ones leaving office after being President the last 4 years.
There’s absolutely no way. This was 100 a consequence of having Don in the office.
I got 45 days for saying conservatives don’t believe in science. Don’t follow my example.
I think it definitely has to do with Don in office. The reaction to him the last 4 years from day one has been extreme and behavior we have never seen directed at any POTUS. I doubt it would be to the same extent under the others. I’m sure we are about to see the favor returned unfortunately.
Wait...wut? have you been around for the last 20 years? The last 4? WTH?
so...was the election stolen?Wait...wut? have you been around for the last 20 years? The last 4? WTH?
You have got to be kidding me with your post. The left has been non-stop demonizing conservatives since GWB. And the right being "misled"? OMG.
If you think only it's only the right that has to end this, then you're simply being unrealistic. Tone-deaf posts like yours is what really gets me bent out of shape. Unbelievable.
