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On 11/10/2020 at 2:41 AM, Ghost Rider said:

Probably, but like others, I won't run out and get it the instant it is available, unless I get COVID between now and then and it kicks my ### and makes me desperate for it right away.  Otherwise, I will take the wait and see approach at first to see how the early testers react to it. 

I'm not sure you understand how vaccines work.

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10 hours ago, NutterButter said:

Just whether any form of autoimmune disorders occur.   Considering that a multitude of other people either due to their profession or due to their poor health will qualify for a vaccine prior to me, I'll gladly wait.   They can have it and benefit from the protection it offers that they more urgently need and I can get a little more peace of mind if nothing unanticipated comes about.  

Fair enough. But realize the autoimmune risks of any vaccine, with the possible exception of that for the 1976 “Swine” flu, are negligible. Guillain-Barré syndrome is probably the most frequently mentioned, but viral respiratory illnesses themselves are more strongly correlated with GBS than their vaccines.

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A) I'm not sure how readily available the vaccine will be Day 1 and in my mind those most at risk should be given priority. 

B) I'm a contractor for the DoD currently WFH. There is a small but nonzero chance that my decision of when/if I'm getting the vaccine is made for me.

C) I'm not a fan of flu shots. My body reacts to them negatively to the point I no longer get them. To this point, I'm more than willing to wait for the covid vaccine. I'm not afraid of the vaccine but I'm also not terrified of the virus either.

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1 hour ago, Terminalxylem said:

Fair enough. But realize the autoimmune risks of any vaccine, with the possible exception of that for the 1976 “Swine” flu, are negligible. Guillain-Barré syndrome is probably the most frequently mentioned, but viral respiratory illnesses themselves are more strongly correlated with GBS than their vaccines.

I realize that but in my mind, the risks of having any issues with covid are probably even less so why take that chance?   I guess there is some non-zero chance that I could be an asymptomatic carrier that infects someone else that for whatever health reason isn't able to get vaccinated.  The idea of that does weigh on me and maybe pushes me into getting vaccinated when my opportunity arrives.   

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On 11/9/2020 at 4:34 PM, Gally said:

I have never gotten a flu shot.  I am leery of this until there is more data.  So I put unsure, probably no.

I'm in a similar camp.  I think I've only gotten one in my lifetime, and only because we had two small kids at home and were living in the frozen tundra of Minnesota.

And knock on wood, I don't think I've ever actually had "the flu" either.  

But trust me, I'm no stranger to sickness.  I used to get bad sinus infections which led to bronchitis at least once a year when I was younger.  Now I just get a yearly sinus infection.

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15 hours ago, Jayrod said:

Isn't this the plot for World War Z and I Am Legend?

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Not having a zombie smilie is a stain on this board.  :rant:

 

15 hours ago, IC FBGCav said:

One question I have.  How do you test the effectiveness of a vaccine.  Years is what I thought.  

Do you inject people with the vaccine then weeks later with the virus?

 

How does this work?

With an R0 of ~3 it will show up in the population pretty quick.  If the US can innoculate 100M people early next year we'll see big changes in numbers by May.

 

8 hours ago, JaxBill said:

A) I'm not sure how readily available the vaccine will be Day 1 and in my mind those most at risk should be given priority. 

Here is Colorado's list of priorities.  Seems mostly right.  2B seems more of a grab bag and I think folks like active cancer patients should be a good bit higher.  But, overall, it's reasonable.  My wife would be 1A and I would be 3, which is about right.  I don't see any provisions for vaccinating kids (I have a 15 year old and he isn't defined). 

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17 minutes ago, Kao-Lin said:

 

Here is Colorado's list of priorities.  Seems mostly right.  2B seems more of a grab bag and I think folks like active cancer patients should be a good bit higher.  But, overall, it's reasonable.  My wife would be 1A and I would be 3, which is about right.  I don't see any provisions for vaccinating kids (I have a 15 year old and he isn't defined). 

yeah makes a lot of sense. only comment is that BMI > 30 is going to rope in a bunch of otherwise healthy folks.  That's more of a comment on American society than the plan.

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1 minute ago, JaxBill said:

yeah makes a lot of sense. only comment is that BMI > 30 is going to rope in a bunch of otherwise healthy folks.  That's more of a comment on American society than the plan.

Agreed - those should be in the 4 category.  Also don't think vaccinating incarcerated people is also a good use - by and large they have already been exposed.  Homeless folks, on the other hand, are a huge vector and should probably be up in the 1B range (assuming vaccination stops virus shedding, which we have no idea about right now).

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Another day, another positive development in the mRNA vaccine category.

I'm much more enthusiastic about an mRNA vaccine than a standard vaccine. But I'm no expert. Am I missing something?

Standard vaccine: based on a weakened version of the virus. A certain % of the people will get sick from it, that % goes up or down depending on how effectively they balanced weakening the virus itself. If they left it "too strong", they're basically infecting a lot of people with the real deal. "Too weak" and not enough people's bodies learn how to fight it off well enough. Long term issues could be a massive rise in infections and a wave larger than anything we've seen so far. 

mRNA: based on the genetic code of the virus's RNA, but made without ever coming in contact with the virus itself. Basically, some scientists decoded the letters of the RNA in the virus, and emailed that to Pfizer and Moderna, and they've been working off of that text. Identified the protein in the points/spikes/"crown" of the virus molecule that latches on to normal cells, and uses the RNA signature of that specific protein to help the body identify and combat it before infection can occur. What are the potential downsides? I can see two... first, that by some weird biology, the protein on the spiked end of the virus is also by coincidence somehow a heretofore-unknown but vital protein that is also present in nature and is essential for human survival, but, hadn't been discovered yet. And we accidentally inoculate ourselves against it. Likelihood? Near zero? Second... maybe it gives a false sense of security? And results in some small waves/spikes/upticks in infection later in 2021? Likelihood... 5%? 10% But manageable?

 

Anything else I'm missing? Other than the one in a trillion shot that "oh, it turns out that the coronavirus spike protein is actually essential for life on Earth, but has been invisible for the last hundred years, and now we accidentally made ourselves immune to it", I don't see much risk in the mRNA-based vaccines, especially compared to the risks of a standard vaccine. You're not getting the weakened virus. It's never even seen the virus or been in the same room with it. It's just giving your immune system a photograph on a Wanted Poster for the virus and telling it how to kill it. 

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Being fully transparent:

I initially said no chance I do ANY of them outside the one coming from Oxford.  They've been BY FAR the most transparent and open to their process/status/issues etc.  However, as I've been thinking about it, I probably need to walk that back a bit.  By the time there are doses available to me and my family it will have been through our military, first responders, front line workers etc and it's going to be in them for MANY months.  We're looking at Sept/Oct/Nov of next year before this is being pushed out to nonessential workers, so I will be watching closely and if it all seems to go well, then I'd be on board.  No chance I'd be rushing to the front of the line to do this if eligible though.

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Unless you are a health care worker or someone that is at risk, most of us won't be eligible for this before next summer (my guess, no scientific backup for it). By then I think we'll all know the side effects and be able to make better decision than November 18th.

In order for me to travel again (and I don't travel a bunch) I think it's going to be a requirement at some point. Again, all this just my opinion.

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4 hours ago, fdas2 said:

I know someone familiar with the pfizer study, and was told they basically skipped phase 2, where dosage is determined.  If you read the protocol, https://pfe-pfizercom-d8-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/2020-11/C4591001_Clinical_Protocol_Nov2020.pdf, you'll see a phase 1 & a phase 2/3 with what appears to be a predetermined dosage amount which I think is 30 ug.   Little unnerving to me they are winging the dosage, but I could be misinformed/reading this incorrectly.

Someone more intelligent than me (no, not you tim) can chime in and tell me I'm an idiot.  I don't mind.

 

I'm not entirely sure how "dosage" works in an mRNA-based vaccine. They inject the right RNA into you and your body does the rest. It seems rather binary... either it works or it doesn't. It's not like there's a medication involved or there's an amount of the weakened virus your body needs to learn from. 

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i believe in vaccinations and have gotten many so i can travel but was never interested in being a guinea pig in the vaccine process
I knew i would get this vaccine when it came out but wouldnt be in the 1st wave to get so was hoping to be in the 2nd wave in mid summer (canada)

Last night i was bored and did some research on the vaccine trials up here and decided to sign up to be a guinea pig .
Im registered so will see what happens . i really want to get out and not worry about infecting anyone 

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Misssing my answer, "no, I won't be a guinea pig".  I don't know it's not safe, so I didn't want to use that answer and skew a topic that has probably already been inflamed (haven't read yet).  I also don't know that it is safe either, so I'll continue distancing/sequestering and masking up until we have more definitive info.  I'd guess I'll need 6-12 months of clean data before I budge on this stance.

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Seems to be a massive anti vax push in progress now on social media.  I never cease to be amazed how stupid humanity can be.  

Multiple overpasses in dallas got targeted with anti vax nonsense today also.  I saw a few of them.  Who the hell is funding this

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3 minutes ago, culdeus said:

Seems to be a massive anti vax push in progress now on social media.  I never cease to be amazed how stupid humanity can be.  

Multiple overpasses in dallas got targeted with anti vax nonsense today also.  I saw a few of them.  Who the hell is funding this

Just saw a sign on an overpass in NC today that said something about the vaccine makers have no liability. Did make me pause and think for a minute but will still get at soon as it's available. 

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2 hours ago, culdeus said:

Seems to be a massive anti vax push in progress now on social media.  I never cease to be amazed how stupid humanity can be.  

Multiple overpasses in dallas got targeted with anti vax nonsense today also.  I saw a few of them.  Who the hell is funding this

It’s very sad. 

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2 hours ago, culdeus said:

Seems to be a massive anti vax push in progress now on social media.  I never cease to be amazed how stupid humanity can be.  

Multiple overpasses in dallas got targeted with anti vax nonsense today also.  I saw a few of them.  Who the hell is funding this

I saw a large banner on the pedestrian bridge over 635 by Dallas Medical Center. “COVID-19 vaccine makers have no liability”. 

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20 minutes ago, TheFatKid said:

I saw a large banner on the pedestrian bridge over 635 by Dallas Medical Center. “COVID-19 vaccine makers have no liability”. 

That statement is somewhat misleading, Vaccine makers pay into a fund to compensate for damages/injury.  Liability in this context is not limited to gross misconduct either.  This isn't some special clause for CV19, all them follow this process from vax for measles to whatever else is out there.

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20 hours ago, TripItUp said:

Not a chance.  

1) I'm not around old people that I know and they should get vaccinated anyhow

2) I'm very healthy and not even close to at risk

 

It's obviously a personal decision and I can respect anyone that chooses not to take it for safety reasons (or others), but as to the bolded, that is NOT the reason to pass.  It's the same reason we wear masks.  It's not just for you.  It's also to help protect you spreading it to others if you were to get Covid, even without symptoms. 

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Definately getting it. 

Know several people who have died from Covid and have a daughter with respitory issues. Also deliver food to the elderly and would like to protect them as much as possible. Bummed that so many don't buy into this. Totally understand if someone is hesitant because it feels so rushed and they want to see about side effects etc., but this anti-vaccine movement is going to cost a lot of lives. 

 

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On 11/29/2020 at 11:59 AM, TripItUp said:

2) I'm very healthy and not even close to at risk

My BMI is well within the normal range. I do cardio five days a week. I thought the exact same thing, right up until I ended up in ICU with my lungs almost fully blocked with unexplained blood clots. Without a doubt, COVID would have ended my life before this was discovered. And likely for quite awhile after I began the blood thinner treatment. So don't be to sure of yourself. Believe me when I say, you never know.

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On 11/29/2020 at 11:59 AM, TripItUp said:

Not a chance.  

1) I'm not around old people that I know and they should get vaccinated anyhow

2) I'm very healthy and not even close to at risk

 

I worry a lot of people think this and decline it--which delays getting back to normal.  

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On 11/18/2020 at 8:10 PM, waiver wire said:

i believe in vaccinations and have gotten many so i can travel but was never interested in being a guinea pig in the vaccine process
I knew i would get this vaccine when it came out but wouldnt be in the 1st wave to get so was hoping to be in the 2nd wave in mid summer (canada)

Last night i was bored and did some research on the vaccine trials up here and decided to sign up to be a guinea pig .
Im registered so will see what happens . i really want to get out and not worry about infecting anyone 

Link to joining ?

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On 11/30/2020 at 10:14 PM, DallasDMac said:

My BMI is well within the normal range. I do cardio five days a week. I thought the exact same thing, right up until I ended up in ICU with my lungs almost fully blocked with unexplained blood clots. Without a doubt, COVID would have ended my life before this was discovered. And likely for quite awhile after I began the blood thinner treatment. So don't be to sure of yourself. Believe me when I say, you never know.

Right. Dallas Cowboys Strength and Conditioning Coach just died at 54 years old. No health issues, then heart attack and dead. You never know.

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On 11/29/2020 at 11:59 AM, TripItUp said:

Not a chance.  

1) I'm not around old people that I know and they should get vaccinated anyhow

2) I'm very healthy and not even close to at risk

 

So am I, at 44 years old.  And my family were the cautious ones.  Yet I still got COVID.  And it kicked my ###, not nearly to the point of hospitalization thankfully, for ten days.  And for 5+ weeks beyond that as I felt “better” my heart rate was bonkers, at 20+ bpm higher than normal at all times, even while sleeping. Now?  I think I’m better. But who really knows what the hell this thing actually does to you and what the long term impacts are.  I suppose you could say the same for a vaccine, but I’d trust that a hell of a lot more than whatever COVID itself might do to you.  So yeah, not sure why anyone wouldn’t want to get a vaccine for themselves.  And getting one protects others as well.  No brainer decision of the century IMO.

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Health care workers with comorbidity  over 55.  Most health care workers around here already have had it.

Then the elderly.    

Then people over 55 with comorbidity.  That's it bye then they will have run out.  All of these are interchangeable.

 

They should incentivize it,  give $2000 to get the vaccine.

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