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I don't want to see any Constitutional rights curtailed. However, I'm very comfortable with all sorts of privileges and societal extras being denied people who willfully reject the vaccine (exceptions for the few thousand people nationwide with medical exemptions).
You can believe that but it's not true. Thus me saying you have bad data.
Agree on the short term effects, there is ample data and I'm not concerned.
Having not been vaccinated, I'm fine with the denial of privileges if it helps protect the old and the fat.
We have data on vaccines historically.
For example, driving an automobile is a privilege, not a right. If vaccination were required before renewing your driver's license, that would be fine by you?
Btw, you have a cell phone, right?
Please read this, GB. Besides the post, there are links at the bottom to anything they reference in the post.
If your employer demanded a vaccine or be fired, what would you do?TripItUp said:
And you aren’t concerned about the potential long term effects of getting covid? In England they have found that a very large portion of people that got covid (even in its mild form) are showing a decrease in the grey matter of their brains in the frontal lobe. Short term covid might be more immediately lethal to “the old and the fat” as you like to refer to them—but long term it’s looking like exposure to it could have moderate to severe ramifications to anyone who gets it. There is a good chance that Covid is as much of a neurological disease as it is a respiratory one.TripItUp said:
And a cardiac one. Some people who had COVID are getting arrhythmias that they shouldn't otherwise be getting.
There are people, just like Cav in the other thread, that you won't be able to convince no matter what. It's really not worth the effort IMO to engage anymore because it just won't matter.
The "No long term data!" card is commonly played, but because the term "long term" is undefined ... the proposition is not falsifiable.
I'm curious if there's anything that would put your mind at ease. Full FDA approval? No major side effects over a certain timeframe? Conversely, is there any level of trasmissibility and/or lethality in variants that could emerge that would tip the risk balance in favor of getting jabbed?TripItUp said:
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes I guess. If the bolts win tonight he’s going to be seeing some pictures lol
Yea my kid is supposed to start in august. Preschool, 3.5 years old. Wife chose some Christian school across the street (I was fine with it, it’s supposed to be excellent) but now I’m worried they’ll all be covid deniers bc the Bible or whatever. We’ll see at the orientation.
I am 100% pro-vax and will almost certainly get both of my <12 children shots as soon as they're eligible.
Uh, you been watching the news lately, or have kids? Everyone and I mean everyone is coming back with delta stories. It's just out of the news cycle mostly at this point for reasons I can't explain. Here's the one that seems to be getting national traction, but the other big camps like Pine Cove are getting hammered also.
I don't know what percentage of schools overall were meeting in person last year, but schools were not a major vector last year, except for small clusters. Mostly sports teams I think, from what I've heard and read anecdotally. Delta and whatever comes after it, however, I think stands a good chance to change that. Percentages of younger people in general are already up over the last few months, and I think that trend will only continue, as vaccination rates become stagnant. And I'm with ya on the masking concern, especially down here in the south. I'm thankful to have both of my kids vaccinated.
Yeah and it was said to be 88% effective against Delta. That #s will turn out to be unrealistic as well.
Was talking to a nurse friend yesterday and she said the same thing for this area. RSV is rampant right now. Several people at work have had cold symptoms the past couple of weeks, and I had a severe sore throat last week, and I rarely ever get sick. Now my daughter also has cold/allergy symptoms. Uncommon for the summer, to say the least. Thanks Covid!!
This is really a non-starter as a talking point. If we could get the anti-vaxxers on board even 60% would wipe this out. Quickly. Even 40% might even work.
We never see RSV during the summer. This is unheard of. Combined with virtually zero cases in the winter and things are completely reversed. It'll be interesting to see what happens this winter.
I’d put money on a rough flu season this year. I think the vaccine will be a hard sell this year after it being non-existent last year.
Full approval is useless in this context. I would hazard those waiting for it have very little idea what full approval even means, and how it is evaluated differently than the current use.
It’s not the individuals that I think are waiting on approval, it’s the employers before they start requiring it. I think that especially with large corporations, their legal team will want the approval before they put in a vaccination requirement.
I’m in AZ and I’d guess maybe 25% are wearing masks still but most of them are vaccinated. I just got back from a week in South Dakota and outside of the airport most probably haven’t seen a mask in months.
i was referencing employees. service techs, mechanics and what not. not sure how the dealerships are enforcing it, but those not wearing masks, are not vaccinated. or haven't proven to be vaccinated.
Anecdotally, I know at least one person who has not gotten vaxxed but says he will once it gets full FDA approval. I have no idea how much it will affect the overall numbers, but I don't think we should assume everyone who hasn't gotten the shot yet is a hardcore anti-vaxxer who is set in their ways. I suspect there are a lot of people like the woman I mentioned earlier in the thread, who says she knows she probably should get vaxxed and will eventually but who has some vague fears and has not gotten around to it yet. Every little nudge, including FDA approval, will help at the margins with people like that.
Sounds right. Also from AZ and currently in ND. Masks here in ND are few and far between. Case rates here are super low though, last I read around 11-12 new cases per day (7 day average) in the entire state.
