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I don’t know of any studies and I can’t say that any harm is long-term or severe or anything. But based on my anecdotal experience I’m convinced that it interferes to some degree with instruction.
Yeah, I’m sure it makes teaching (and learning) more difficult. What is less clear is how it will impact kids in the short, and more importantly, long term.
You’re right; there probably isn’t good data. But we do know adults age 25-39 are among the groups least likely to be vaccinated. I wonder how that breaks down for those with children versus childless adults?
What is the ideal timeline for getting shot 3 and when are you outside the range if ever? I’m at 8 months on the first 2 and probably had Covid at one point , debating the 3rd leaning in favor. You thinking you will get the 4th and continue on as long as they have them?
I agree. It's anecdotal (how could it not be?), but it seems obvious to me that it's significantly harder to deliver a lesson while everybody is masked. This is a different kind of communication than making small talk or even participating in a meeting. You have to hold people's attention for a while, speak clearly, and read a room for an extended period of time. None of those are impossible to accomplish with masks of course, but they're all more difficult.
Do the signals from the tracking chips begin to interfere with each other once you get the third shot?
Another factor on the cost/benefit analysis which I believe is real is the fact that the longer we wear them, the harder it is to ever convince people they're not needed. The bar always rises.
I mentioned in one of these threads, they’ve gone away from chips and are using nano particles now, hence “the booster”. Much easier to control and see on a global map. Chips wear out, malfunction, etc. Nano particles are forever
To me the issue regards individual social development. Harder to engage people at a time in their development as humans where that's part of what they're learning to do.
It seems reasonable that masks negatively affect learning, but, in my personal anecdotal experience for my 7th grader with special needs, she has excelled the last year and a half at school. She’s definitely more of a visual learner as she has processing issues, so maybe it’s because teachers have had to up their game presenting material on the computer?IvanKaramazov said:
Even maskless/pantsless, lecturing via Zoom sucks.IvanKaramazov said:
Kids are funny that way. Shame they grow up into adults and get ruint.DA RAIDERS said:my daughter has done better in school during covid than before. her and her friends don't really care about wearing the masks. they're not as set in their ways as us old farts. they just wear them when asked.
She also said that she is constantly cold since she had COVID....and its been months. They don't know if that is permanent or temporary. As much as people think they have strong immunity, with COVID, you just never know. I know some people (unvaccinated) where COVID was a minor annoyance, while others (also unvaccinated) where COVID knocked them sideways. And its not always the ill/old/unhealthy people who are getting slammed by COVID.
Nice. I’d laugh but I can’t anymore. This reply to that tweet is right on as well:
That sucks for her and I’m sure there are way more than her that regret not getting vaccinated. We have friends and family that feel the same way, even the ones who didn’t get it that bad but just don’t feel “right” yet. The idiots out there (and in here) just can’t fathom that it’s not the common cold or flu where if you aren’t really old/young you just need to get through it. A lot of people died and a lot have also not gotten over it. They have long hauler drug trials, shouldn’t that ring some bells?
Thank you for posting this.
@Joe Bryant was involved in that discussion as well. That article will be of interest to him, I believe.
But in that past moment, there was nothing wrong with that terminology.
But that was totally fine based on our best guess at the time. We all knew that the precise dosage and timing of the vaccines hadn't been optimized yet. They're still probably not optimized. That's just how this sort of thing works until we have more real-world experience.
Yes, but knowing that they DIDN'T know, and seeing the anti-vax landscape that was out there, they should have thought ahead on how best to communicate with the general population. Saying "fully" implies that you are done. Calling the third shot a booster makes it sound optional or in some circles that the vaccine doesn't work. That's all I am saying -- that it could have been better, and that I expected this admin to be better too.
This more for other people seeing this post, but don't forget to check with your local Health Department. I've been administering vaccines at a county Health dep't for the past couple of months. I spend a good part of my day on the innernets because we're just not that busy.
There are no magic words that would have Jedi-mind-tricked vaccine-resistant people into getting vaccinated. We needed language to differentiate between the relatively-weaker protection that people got from the first vaccine dose vs. the relatively-stronger protection that people got from the second dose. "Fully vaccinated" was a totally fine term for the second thing. Nobody objected to it at the time, including people like me who have been routinely critical of how these folks pass along information.
This seems nuts to me especially when it seems like one booster or even 2 shots limits any severity from Omicron.
They are likely trying to be proactive for the variant after omicron. What if that one spreads just as fast but has a worse outcome for those without actively circulating antibodies? Israel has shown time and again that they place a huge value on keeping their people from dying.
There is no indication that this is happening anywhere though unless they have information that nobody else does.
Is there a medical drawback to being vaccinated "too many times?" I don't mean something stupid like getting a full-on Moderna shot every day for a year. I mean, what are the potential disadvantages to taking a hypothetically superfluous fourth shot?
So far, they're offering that fourth dose strictly for elderly and immunocompromised people. Thinking about that some ... these shots pretty much are all the 'immune response' their going to get. This group may need recurring COVID boosters for a while ... until the background radiation level of endemic COVID drops quite low.
Wish I could get some of you guys down here for your boosters. Still plenty of places to walk in and get a booster without an appointment.
I've always thought of CDC as being autonomous and political influence semi-scandalous... is it being "Biden's CDC" a real thing? I may not be understanding your larger point, but JMHO, expectation of proactive communications for a pandemic of this nature is expecting too much. With EU vaccine performance incapable of being known until it is proven out (and at all times subject to new facts; aka variants emerging), there's excessive risk aiming high or low being proactive. Basically it would be pure speculation, not science. It only hurts us to cultivate more science doubters attempting to conclude the unknowable.
It's worth noting that they had well over majority vote by their medical board to approve this plan. In the past they've been split on many things vaccination. They all seemed to agree on this one though. And as Doug mentioned this was for the most vulnerable only, at least at this time.
