Blackbear 467 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 2 minutes ago, rockaction said: This guy's stock keeps going up, even in comparison to Harris and Etienne, if my Twitter feed is to be believed. Reminds of Jacobs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ilov80s 31,009 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Are we sure he’s better than Michael Carter? Is it just the extra size we like? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 4,334 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 2 minutes ago, Ilov80s said: Are we sure he’s better than Michael Carter? Is it just the extra size we like? I like both, but I like Williams’ abilities after contact and his overall contact balance. He’s a machine. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mister CIA 8,602 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 minute ago, Ilov80s said: Are we sure he’s better than Michael Carter? Is it just the extra size we like? Well, I was pretty sure until you asked. My intial thought is Javonte Williams looks a lot more lively than Michael Carter. I'm all for drafting phyical specimens who don't fit the prototype at their position, but 5'10, 220 vs 5'8, 200 checks an extra box for me. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ilov80s 31,009 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Just now, Mister CIA said: Well, I was pretty sure until you asked. My intial thought is Javonte Williams looks a lot more lively than Michael Carter. I'm all for drafting phyical specimens who don't fit the prototype at their position, but 5'10, 220 vs 5'8, 200 checks an extra box for me. Yeah I’ll be curious to see what he weighs in at and tests at. That’s huge for Carter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ilov80s 31,009 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 3 minutes ago, JohnnyU said: I like both, but I like Williams’ abilities after contact and his overall contact balance. He’s a machine. Yeah he looks legit and has the ideal nfl build. Just odd that they seemed so close at UNC and Williams is getting hyped as the potential RB1 now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 4,334 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Just now, Ilov80s said: Yeah he looks legit and has the ideal nfl build. Just odd that they seemed so close at UNC and Williams is getting hyped as the potential RB1 now. One is UNC and the other is NFL. There’s a lot more variables than college stats. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boston 3,199 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Just now, Ilov80s said: Yeah he looks legit and has the ideal nfl build. Just odd that they seemed so close at UNC and Williams is getting hyped as the potential RB1 now. Not trying to be a wise-*** but why is this odd? Carter (who I love) is an excellent player himself and as far as college goes he is in the ballpark of Williams...it's just that Williams is built much better for the NFL game than Carter...he is bigger, stronger and faster and due to that projects to possibly be a bellcow three down RB while Carter will have much more to prove once he gets to the NFL. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SoBeDad 2,330 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 2 minutes ago, Boston said: Not trying to be a wise-*** but why is this odd? Carter (who I love) is an excellent player himself and as far as college goes he is in the ballpark of Williams...it's just that Williams is built much better for the NFL game than Carter...he is bigger, stronger and faster and due to that projects to possibly be a bellcow three down RB while Carter will have much more to prove once he gets to the NFL. On tape, Williams breaks tackles, has good vision and soft hands. But he doesn't have breakaway speed. Maybe an Arian Foster comp. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 4,334 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 minute ago, SoBeDad said: On tape, Williams breaks tackles, has good vision and soft hands. But he doesn't have breakaway speed. Maybe an Arian Foster comp. I’d rather have have him than Etienne. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SoBeDad 2,330 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Just now, JohnnyU said: I’d rather have have him than Etienne. He'll also go a little later than Etienne, I think. Early 2nd for Etienne, late 2nd for Williams. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Soulfly3 4,440 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 have pick 3 in a ppr league and now following. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 4,334 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SoBeDad said: He'll also go a little later than Etienne, I think. Early 2nd for Etienne, late 2nd for Williams. In dynasty drafts (non-super flex) both will go top 5 most likely. Edited February 21 by JohnnyU Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ilov80s 31,009 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 2 minutes ago, JohnnyU said: I’d rather have have him than Etienne. I can see that pre draft capital and landing spot. It seems like overthinking it but I understand the reasons behind it and I think ETN is more volatile in his outcomes. 14 minutes ago, JohnnyU said: One is UNC and the other is NFL. There’s a lot more variables than college stats. Obviously, I didn’t refer to any numbers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ilov80s 31,009 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 14 minutes ago, Boston said: Not trying to be a wise-*** but why is this odd? Carter (who I love) is an excellent player himself and as far as college goes he is in the ballpark of Williams...it's just that Williams is built much better for the NFL game than Carter...he is bigger, stronger and faster and due to that projects to possibly be a bellcow three down RB while Carter will have much more to prove once he gets to the NFL. Bigger isn’t necessarily better. If Carter comes in size wise as projected, his BMI is still perfectly fine for an NFL back. He’s short but well built. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 4,334 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 minute ago, Ilov80s said: I can see that pre draft capital and landing spot. It seems like overthinking it but I understand the reasons behind it and I think ETN is more volatile in his outcomes. Obviously, I didn’t refer to any numbers. Yes, landing spots not withstanding. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 4,334 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Ilov80s said: Bigger isn’t necessarily better. If Carter comes in size wise as projected, his BMI is still perfectly fine for an NFL back. He’s short but well built. Yes, I like both, I obviously like Williams more. You can get Carter in the 2nd rd of standard dynasty leagues, maybe later. Edited February 21 by JohnnyU 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ilov80s 31,009 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 2 minutes ago, JohnnyU said: Yes, I like both, I obviously like Williams more. You can get Carter in the 2nd rd of standard dynasty leagues, maybe later. Not sure I have an opinion on what Carter is worth yet, just wondering if there’s anything besides size separating them? I’m curious to heat what else people see between them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbear 467 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 30 minutes ago, Ilov80s said: Not sure I have an opinion on what Carter is worth yet, just wondering if there’s anything besides size separating them? I’m curious to heat what else people see between them. To me it looks like Williams is a well rounded back. Has poise and vision but has more power, can truck, run inside tackles well. If you watch his tapes you will notice a lot of yac and tackles broken. Good around goal line. But the play at 4:30 in shows some good patience to let his blockers get out in front and then some burst once they established their blocks... many broken tackles and hard to get down. The play at 7:19 is nice because he shows he can adjust when holes close and he can pause then break outside and still has burst to get around the tackler to go the distance. Highlights of Williams... https://youtu.be/JE65d6M9OY0 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 4,334 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Ilov80s said: Not sure I have an opinion on what Carter is worth yet, just wondering if there’s anything besides size separating them? I’m curious to heat what else people see between them. There’s a good chance Carter will always be in a RBBC (see ETN). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbear 467 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 These dynasty nerds do well breaking down good and bad plays on prospects... https://youtu.be/8fG6dtkn4Yc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blick 1,248 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 (edited) Isn't the much more likely answer that both are good backs but the system made them great? I'm staying off of Williams in the top 5. It may bite me, but I think Carter is the better value. Edited February 22 by Blick 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ilov80s 31,009 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, JohnnyU said: There’s a good chance Carter will always be in a RBBC (see ETN). I think that’s true of any RB. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 4,334 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 28 minutes ago, Ilov80s said: I think that’s true of any RB. Some more than others Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,618 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 2021 NFL draft film room: North Carolina RB Javonte Williams Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zyphros 2,029 Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 3 hours ago, Ilov80s said: Not sure I have an opinion on what Carter is worth yet, just wondering if there’s anything besides size separating them? I’m curious to heat what else people see between them. It's not just size for me. I like Javonte's vision and patience more than Carter's. Perhaps it's just different styles, but Javonte's appeals more to me as a guy that would do better at the next level. The only thing I'd say Carter does better is he's more explosive, but Javonte makes up for that with his vision and tackle breaking ability. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ilov80s 31,009 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 10 hours ago, JohnnyU said: Some more than others I agree and Carter might be limited to an Aaron Jones role. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 4,334 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 2 hours ago, Ilov80s said: I agree and Carter might be limited to an Aaron Jones role. ...or Darrell Henderson. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boston 3,199 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 3 hours ago, Ilov80s said: I agree and Carter might be limited to an Aaron Jones role. I mentioned it in another thread (it was in an article) but the healthy Dion Lewis with the Pats is a very good comp. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ilov80s 31,009 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 27 minutes ago, JohnnyU said: ...or Darrell Henderson. That was a puzzling one this year as he played really well when given the ball. I’m not sure what the Rams have against him. Let’s not act like bigger backs don’t also get put into RBBC though. Plenty of 2 down grinders out there who aren’t they helpful for fantasy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 4,334 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Ilov80s said: That was a puzzling one this year as he played really well when given the ball. I’m not sure what the Rams have against him. Let’s not act like bigger backs don’t also get put into RBBC though. Plenty of 2 down grinders out there who aren’t they helpful for fantasy. True, but you have to factor size into ability to be a bell cow. it's not a myth. Not saying smaller backs can't gain the upper share of a committee, I'm just saying history shows they are more likely to be stuck in a RBBC on the unfavorable side. Edited February 22 by JohnnyU Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ilov80s 31,009 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 15 minutes ago, JohnnyU said: True, but you have to factor size into ability to be a bell cow. it's not a myth. Not saying smaller backs can't gain the upper share of a committee, I'm just saying history shows they are more likely to be stuck in a RBBC on the unfavorable side. Oh I totally agree and this is mostly all pointless until we know what teams they are on to see what roles are available and how good the offense is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,618 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2021 NFL Draft: Why Javonte Williams should be your RB1 in this draft class Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbear 467 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 LT just compared him to Kamara. That’s a bit much in my opinion. But, you have a guy that I was comparing Kamara to a couple years ago saying he see Kamara type in him. Hmm... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbear 467 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 LT also compared Najae Harris to Lev Bell. Might be a lot of over praise... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Edgar 271 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Blackbear said: LT also compared Najae Harris to Lev Bell. Might be a lot of over praise... Depends which Lev Bell we’re getting Quote Link to post Share on other sites
menobrown 4,238 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Blackbear said: LT also compared Najae Harris to Lev Bell. Might be a lot of over praise... I agree with this one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JoeJoe88 573 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 14 hours ago, Blackbear said: LT also compared Najae Harris to Lev Bell. Might be a lot of over praise... Just to be clear, over praise for Harris or Bell? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbear 467 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 14 hours ago, Edgar said: Depends which Lev Bell we’re getting This is true. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Edgar 271 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Javonte has a ton to offer. While I see the Bell comps with the smooth running, Javonte also has some thumping to his game where he dishes out hits. I'm not sure who he comps to in that regard, but I love the skill set. Bowling over a defender sure seems easier when the defender is concerned about being evaded altogether. Maybe a combo of Bell and David Montgomery? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,618 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Video: UNC's Javonte Williams possesses 'colossus' running game Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 4,334 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 On 2/25/2021 at 12:37 PM, Edgar said: Javonte has a ton to offer. While I see the Bell comps with the smooth running, Javonte also has some thumping to his game where he dishes out hits. I'm not sure who he comps to in that regard, but I love the skill set. Bowling over a defender sure seems easier when the defender is concerned about being evaded altogether. Maybe a combo of Bell and David Montgomery? Jim Brown 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zyphros 2,029 Posted February 28 Author Share Posted February 28 On 2/25/2021 at 11:37 AM, Edgar said: Javonte has a ton to offer. While I see the Bell comps with the smooth running, Javonte also has some thumping to his game where he dishes out hits. I'm not sure who he comps to in that regard, but I love the skill set. Bowling over a defender sure seems easier when the defender is concerned about being evaded altogether. Maybe a combo of Bell and David Montgomery? I saw some Marion Barber comps which I thought fit perfectly. There really isn’t a recent comp that I can come up with. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbear 467 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, Zyphros said: I saw some Marion Barber comps which I thought fit perfectly. There really isn’t a recent comp that I can come up with. If you look at Josh Jacobs profile you will see similar size and running style... violent, great contact balance, poise and burst, etc... He might be faster than Jacobs in open field. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,618 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Javonte Williams Fantasy Football Rookie Profile Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Soulfly3 4,440 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 I have seen VERY little of him, tbh... but someone mentioned Steven Jackson in a thread I saw i think on twitter.. accurate? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Dufresne 12,764 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Clinton Portis 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ffmail4me 914 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 13 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said: Clinton Portis He’s not THAT sexy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ffmail4me 914 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 14 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said: Clinton Portis 14 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said: Clinton Portis Plus I think Portis was 205 coming out of Miami but he did put on weight as he bulked up for Gibbs in DC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Dufresne 12,764 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) Portis played at about 220 in the NFL. WFT highlights. Portis might have a little more top speed. But they both have elite balance. Edited February 28 by Andy Dufresne Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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