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TripItUp
Footballguy
So you're going to disregard the opinion and article from a major liberal media outlet.
I'll keep posting articles that basically state that Trump's china policy will be mimicked by Biden, and is a complete reversal of Obamas EIGHT YEARS of doing absolutely nothing.
timschochet
Footballguy
Third times the charm I hope:
How is the new NAFTA deal significantly different from the old one? Please explain.
The Commish
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Few things..No, I don't believe Biden will mimic Trump’s policies with China...that would again leave us in a worse position than we already were. Also, to claim Obama did absolutely nothing in regards to China is flat out false. What do you think the purpose of TPP was?
TripItUp
Footballguy
"Why isn't Biden dropping Tariffs?" - Washington Post
So many liberals in this thread and in this forum parroting from liberal media source how bad the Tariffs were for the last year....where are you now?
Here is an article from your beloved Washington Post.
So many liberals in this thread and in this forum parroting from liberal media source how bad the Tariffs were for the last year....where are you now?
Here is an article from your beloved Washington Post.
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The Commish
Footballguy
What I posted is the go to it seems. That's all you get....which is funny because the popularity of tariffs are the opposite of that....can't make that stuff up.
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The Commish
Footballguy
Oh, it's not just the liberals....us conservative/moderate types also understand tariffs are merely a tax on us. They will get us nothing and if Biden continues them as the sole means in his approach he'll be as foolish as Trump.
timschochet
Footballguy
Yeah did you read the article? I suspect you only read the headline.
If you had read even the first paragraph of the article, you would have seen this line:
There are NO defensible reasons for keeping Trump’s tariffs in place.
Please read the rest of the article as the writer explains why. And thank you for posting it.
TripItUp
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Because he hasn’t been inaugurated yet?
Odd to be critical of a man who isn’t in office yet. Because he said he wouldn’t immediately drop them? Odd logic.
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timschochet
Footballguy
Then I’m surprised you would offer it as evidence that Trump’s tariffs are a good thing since it says exactly the opposite.
TripItUp
Footballguy
TripItUp
Footballguy
TripItUp
Footballguy
For the record, I absolutely believe Trump was on the right side of China policy as opposed to do-nothing Obama. So this is a shockingly good decision by Biden...if he just repeats Trump policy I'll be tickled pink.
I just wanted to see the liberals in this forum try to explain their discontent with Trump on China and then all of a sudden okay with Biden continuing those policies.
I find that interesting.
I just wanted to see the liberals in this forum try to explain their discontent with Trump on China and then all of a sudden okay with Biden continuing those policies.
I find that interesting.
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timschochet
Footballguy
Yes. It’s an awful decision by Biden. He’s trying to placate people who don’t understand the harm these tariffs are doing. Biden knows better; he’s behaving like a lousy politician. Terrible.
You have yet to explain yourself why these tariffs are a positive. You have yet to explain why the new NAFTA deal was a positive.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Who said they are ok with Biden of he does the same as Trump? Biden is not in office...he cannot enact policies.
And he is not saying he will just keep tariffs. Your criticism is again misplaced.
TripItUp
Footballguy
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Sea Duck
Footballguy
Justin Amash @justinamash
In classic Trump fashion, he’ll pull troops from Somalia, not to bring them home but rather to bordering countries—to keep launching ops in Somalia. Theater for libertarians; continued war for the MIC. From a man who’s dropped more bombs there than his two predecessors combined.
10:00 AM · Dec 5, 2020
The Commish
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A major difference will be that Biden will work with European allies and Japan to confront China. Farmers in the USA were crushed by the tariffs, and China is falling short on its phase one "agreement" to buy. Peter Navarro has been wrong so many times, there's bound to be a better policy.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Obama's policies were pretty bad with China...Trump surprised me and doubled down on "pretty bad". Asking to compare the two sets of policies is like asking someone if they want to eat two spoons of crap or three. It's nonsensical.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Successfully postponing the alien invasion.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Depends. Are you a believer in more taxes and less free trade? Or an enemy of capitalism.... however you want to phrase it.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Invented the Volkswagon.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Yes. We should use multilateral trade pressure not unilateral. The tariffs hurt American farmers and consumers far more than it hurt China. Besides, even the hurt it did cause China, the people that run that country don't care. They knew they could outlast and outwit Trump.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
He restored a sense of national pride after the harsh terms of the Treaty of Versailles.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Law enforcement at all levels have made human trafficking a priority in the last year. We had another huge roundup in Ohio.
The Commish
Footballguy
not to mention the "socialism" these policies create which I find pretty funny given the fear mongering around the word.
JAA
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Did we ever get an explanation of how these tariffs are "capitalistic"? 
The Z Machine
Footballguy
They involve capital moving from the consumer to government (i.e. a tax).The Commish said:Did we ever get an explanation of how these tariffs are "capitalistic"?
The Commish
Footballguy
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Advances in rocket technology.
In this case the Chinese currency debased itself by the approximate amount of the tarriffs, so the consumer didn't see a rise in the cost of goods. So it really wasn't a tax, the consumer didn't pay it - the Chinese did through their currency.
This, of course didn't solve the issue of demand destruction done in retaliation (to US farmers, etc.). Nor did we make much headway into further protections of our IP. Clinton gave that away and we haven't really been able to get it back. I do appreciate DJT trying.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
It did? What was the Yuan worth in dollars in January of 2016? What is it worth today?
You do realize that there are other variables in time space that have had an effect since 2016, yes? The U.S. has been actively debasing its currency during this COVID issue and the dollar has dropped dramatically this year. This talks about China adjusting its currency in 2018.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
The establishment of the Energy Resource Governance Initiative (ERGI) could prove to be a huge, huge deal as we accelerate the transition to clean energy. It is a multi-country consortium established in 2019 by the State Dept. designed to reduce dependence on China for metals and other supply chain components for EV's, solar/wind, batteries, etc.
This is obviously ironic given the rest of Trump's environmental agenda...but is expected to be expanded further during the Biden Administration.
The Trump administration’s top energy diplomat said on Friday he expects an initiative aimed at securing supply chains for metals critical for the clean energy transformation will continue with President-elect Joe Biden’s administration.
Increasing demand for renewable energy, electric vehicles, and battery storage technologies will create unprecedented demand for energy resource minerals. Energy Resource Governance Initiative (ERGI) is a U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Energy Resources (ENR)-led effort designed to promote sound mining sector governance and resilient energy mineral supply chains. Through this initiative, ENR will engage countries to advance governance principles, share best practices, and encourage a level playing field. ERGI will also promote resilient and secure energy resource mineral supply chains.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-minerals-renewables/top-u-s-energy-diplomat-expects-minerals-initiative-to-continue-under-biden-idUSKBN28S334?il=0
https://www.state.gov/energy-resource-governance-initiative/
This is obviously ironic given the rest of Trump's environmental agenda...but is expected to be expanded further during the Biden Administration.
The Trump administration’s top energy diplomat said on Friday he expects an initiative aimed at securing supply chains for metals critical for the clean energy transformation will continue with President-elect Joe Biden’s administration.
Increasing demand for renewable energy, electric vehicles, and battery storage technologies will create unprecedented demand for energy resource minerals. Energy Resource Governance Initiative (ERGI) is a U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Energy Resources (ENR)-led effort designed to promote sound mining sector governance and resilient energy mineral supply chains. Through this initiative, ENR will engage countries to advance governance principles, share best practices, and encourage a level playing field. ERGI will also promote resilient and secure energy resource mineral supply chains.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-minerals-renewables/top-u-s-energy-diplomat-expects-minerals-initiative-to-continue-under-biden-idUSKBN28S334?il=0
https://www.state.gov/energy-resource-governance-initiative/
The Commish
Footballguy
One of the bright spots....glad they decided to continue the pursuit of this during this admin.....when they implemented the absurd tariffs on canadas solar panels i wondered if theyd do something with this too, cause "obama bad" seemed to their measuring stick with these things.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Staring directly at a solar eclipse and not losing his vision.
timschochet
Footballguy
JAA
Footballguy
Please stop enabling the fear mongering of lazy politicians. The bill needs fixing yesterday. It should have been done weeks ago. Fix it now. As a matter of ideaology I refuse to reward bad behavior.
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