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List your biggest fears of a Biden Presidency here.

 

Here are mine

1) Small business devastation/economic recession

2) Erasing all of Trump's progress made with restoring the middle class

3) Harmful trade agreements

4) Not standing up to China

5) Policy that moves us closer to Euro-style socialism

 

 

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Even though I am not a Trump "guy" I do have concerns. 1) The student loan forgiveness.   I just don't see that being a good idea.  I also think it will create quite a problem for those who have

LOL Let's have a serious conversation about concerns people have about Biden as POTUS. "Why, here's a great chance to remind everyone I think Donald Trump is awful.  There aren't enough thre

There were tons of ridiculous Hunter Biden stories in the social media sphere last summer. Should news outlets cover them all, even though they couldn’t verify any of the facts?  We are witnessin

Ill get tored of all the actual wonning?

Your #2 is a hope, not a fear.  He needs to undo a lot of Trump.  To claim Trump restored the middle class is some revisionist history.

My biggest fear is McConnell will still be able to block everything.  That we won’t  move ahead to improve healthcare as a big example.

We have already had harmful trade wars.  Im betting he wont leave office with us being in an even worse position with China like Trump will.

 

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11 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

Ill get tored of all the actual wonning?

Your #2 is a hope, not a fear.  He needs to undo a lot of Trump.  To claim Trump restored the middle class is some revisionist history.

My biggest fear is McConnell will still be able to block everything.  That we won’t  move ahead to improve healthcare as a big example.

We have already had harmful trade wars.  Im betting he wont leave office with us being in an even worse position with China like Trump will.

 

I’m really interested from hearing from the Trump guys in this thread.  I think it’s more important to hear what their fears are than to dismiss those fears, even if we think they’re unfounded.

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10 minutes ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

I’m really interested from hearing from the Trump guys in this thread.  I think it’s more important to hear what their fears are than to dismiss those fears, even if we think they’re unfounded.

Sure...are there any left willing to actually talk?

This didn’t seem like a Trump guy only thread.

My fear is the obstruction in the senate.  Its what will stop actual progress IMO.

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29 minutes ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

I’m really interested from hearing from the Trump guys in this thread.  I think it’s more important to hear what their fears are than to dismiss those fears, even if we think they’re unfounded.

Thank you. That kind of thing would be helpful and useful. But will likely never happen as long the first response is like we saw and more interested in mocking the winning or telling the OP how wrong they are when they asked a question. 

I'm honestly not sure these are even worth it. It's discouraging. 

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45 minutes ago, TripItUp said:

1) Small business devastation/economic recession

2) Erasing all of Trump's progress made with restoring the middle class

3) Harmful trade agreements

4) Not standing up to China

5) Policy that moves us closer to Euro-style socialism

This was a good idea for a thread.

For me it's the worry that he will....

A) Pretending Covid doesn't exist or pretending that the fight against covid is "over" or has "rounded the bend" or some version of that.

B) Turning his back on science and reason in the middle of a world wide health pandemic

C) Lie to his constituents about a health crisis in the name of "avoiding panic".

D) Continues to let our relationship with traditionally friendly world powers deteriorate more than they already have.

E) Pretend that the current system doesn't have harmful environmental effects and pretend that alternative systems don't have potential paths for future economic growth of their own. Even if the wind turbines might go, "Whir-Whir-Whir and cause you cancer".

F) Further weaken NATO which only serves to strengthen the position, resolve, and bargaining power of Russia on the world stage.

G) Continue a trade war with China that only results in American consumers paying a "trade-war-tax" on nearly everything and hurts plenty of American workers in the auto industry, agriculture, and tech industry.

H) Allow the tax "cuts" to stand that the country absolutely can not afford and will stop benefitting any of the middle class starting in 2025. 

That's a big list to fix for someone inheriting a country in an economic recession and "leading the world" in Covid deaths. One thing that I'm not worried about is Biden will play golf and pout while the world around him burns to the ground.

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1 minute ago, BoltBacker said:

This was a good idea for a thread.

For me it's the worry that he will....

A) Pretending Covid doesn't exist or pretending that the fight against covid is "over" or has "rounded the bend" or some version of that.

B) Turning his back on science and reason in the middle of a world wide health pandemic

C) Lie to his constituents about a health crisis in the name of "avoiding panic".

D) Continues to let our relationship with traditionally friendly world powers deteriorate more than they already have.

E) Pretend that the current system doesn't have harmful environmental effects and pretend that alternative systems don't have potential paths for future economic growth of their own. Even if the wind turbines might go, "Whir-Whir-Whir and cause you cancer".

F) Further weaken NATO which only serves to strengthen the position, resolve, and bargaining power of Russia on the world stage.

G) Continue a trade war with China that only results in American consumers paying a "trade-war-tax" on nearly everything and hurts plenty of American workers in the auto industry, agriculture, and tech industry.

H) Allow the tax "cuts" to stand that the country absolutely can not afford and will stop benefitting any of the middle class starting in 2025. 

That's a big list to fix for someone inheriting a country in an economic recession and "leading the world" in Covid deaths. One thing that I'm not worried about is Biden will play golf and pout while the world around him burns to the ground.

Just drop it @TripItUp I think you're mostly just going to get stuff like this.

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My main fear is they he doesn’t do enough to help the poor and needy in this country because he’s worried about the ridiculous socialist boogeyman tag. Now even more with covid have a lot of people suffering very badly who need the help of their government, I hope he’s able to spearhead it. 

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45 minutes ago, BoltBacker said:

This was a good idea for a thread.

For me it's the worry that he will....

A) Pretending Covid doesn't exist or pretending that the fight against covid is "over" or has "rounded the bend" or some version of that.

B) Turning his back on science and reason in the middle of a world wide health pandemic

C) Lie to his constituents about a health crisis in the name of "avoiding panic".

D) Continues to let our relationship with traditionally friendly world powers deteriorate more than they already have.

E) Pretend that the current system doesn't have harmful environmental effects and pretend that alternative systems don't have potential paths for future economic growth of their own. Even if the wind turbines might go, "Whir-Whir-Whir and cause you cancer".

F) Further weaken NATO which only serves to strengthen the position, resolve, and bargaining power of Russia on the world stage.

G) Continue a trade war with China that only results in American consumers paying a "trade-war-tax" on nearly everything and hurts plenty of American workers in the auto industry, agriculture, and tech industry.

H) Allow the tax "cuts" to stand that the country absolutely can not afford and will stop benefitting any of the middle class starting in 2025. 

That's a big list to fix for someone inheriting a country in an economic recession and "leading the world" in Covid deaths. One thing that I'm not worried about is Biden will play golf and pout while the world around him burns to the ground.

LOL

Let's have a serious conversation about concerns people have about Biden as POTUS.

"Why, here's a great chance to remind everyone I think Donald Trump is awful.  There aren't enough threads that have turned into that."

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1 hour ago, TripItUp said:

Is this a thing?

Yes...who has been willing to actually discuss things I think is a fair question.  Which means not just proclaiming things then refusing to answer to any challenges to assertions.

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1 hour ago, Joe Bryant said:

Thank you. That kind of thing would be helpful and useful. But will likely never happen as long the first response is like we saw and more interested in mocking the winning or telling the OP how wrong they are when they asked a question. 

I'm honestly not sure these are even worth it. It's discouraging. 

Yes the winning part was a joke.  But the rest I stand by when discussing with people who have called Trump the best in their lifetime at some of these things.  Especially it comes to claiming and fearing Biden may undo things from Trump in regards to the middle class, trade, and China.  there is honest disagreement there with what Trump has done.

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My biggest fears of a Biden Presidency:

1) He dies in Office. For numerous reasons. 

2) He loses the House in 2022.

Right wing media/commentators are going to be brutal on him. What else is new. It would be nice if we had a President that had the respect of both sides. I honestly don’t think we’ve had that since GHW Bush

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2 hours ago, TripItUp said:

List your biggest fears of a Biden Presidency here.

 

Here are mine

1) Small business devastation/economic recession

2) Erasing all of Trump's progress made with restoring the middle class

3) Harmful trade agreements

4) Not standing up to China

5) Policy that moves us closer to Euro-style socialism

 

 

Hey, man, I don't post in here, but i have started reading again. Would/can you unpack your thoughts on these points? Like what specific policies he might enact that Dems have been talking about/done in the past that make you fear these specific things?

Asking in earnest, not wanting to play "gotcha".

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I am fearful of the first recession under a democrat in over 16 years, but not for the reasons you think. Biden's plan to increase taxes on large corporations and the wealthy could lead to a small decrease in GDP. This would just be good fiscal policy.  But at some point, we have to pay the piper - that would be the case under any administration. 

Based on gun and ammo sales, many are fearful of more restrictions under Biden. At least that's what the gun industry is promoting as sales soar pre and post-election, and post each mass killing.

Based on conversations with some Cubans and Nicaraguans in my orbit, there is a fear of socialism & communism like exists in those countries. Socialism would actually come after Biden is incapacitated and replaced by Kamala.  That fear has been stoked on WhatApp, FaceBook, local radio and the like. Interesting that the largest markets for Obamacare in the entire country are in Hialeah, Little Havana and Westchester (~west Miami), as many immigrants don't have company provided health care for themselves or their adult children.

 

 

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Even though I am not a Trump "guy" I do have concerns.

1) The student loan forgiveness.   I just don't see that being a good idea.  I also think it will create quite a problem for those who have paid them off, and in many cases suffered to do so.   I'm also concerned that the loan forgiveness will target only black colleges / universities.

2) Very large tax increases.   Now we all know Biden will eliminate Trump's tax breaks, which then doesn't qualify as a tax cut, but what else will be taxed? What other increases will we have to endure

3) Massive increases in illegal immigration and the drain on the system to support it.  Biden has already said he wants to find a path to citizenship for the 11 million undocumented immigrants here.   What a path to citizenship means hasn't been defined to my knowledge by his administration, but we will see.   I'm 100% ok with immigrants having a legal path to citizenship and being contributing members of society, however I fear they could be a huge drain on our welfare system.

4) I'm worried about him dying in office, or a significant diminishing of his mental capacities.  Not because of Kamala, but more because I think it makes us look weak.  

 

None of this could happen, but these are a few of mine.

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8 hours ago, sho nuff said:

Ill get tored of all the actual wonning?

Your #2 is a hope, not a fear.  He needs to undo a lot of Trump.  To claim Trump restored the middle class is some revisionist history.

My biggest fear is McConnell will still be able to block everything.  That we won’t  move ahead to improve healthcare as a big example.

We have already had harmful trade wars.  Im betting he wont leave office with us being in an even worse position with China like Trump will.

 

You're in such a rush to respond to every single post in this forum and troll people that you can't even spell.   Chill out.  Your schtick in every thread is so beyond tiresome at this point. 

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9 minutes ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

You're in such a rush to respond to every single post in this forum and troll people that you can't even spell.   Chill out.  Your schtick in every thread is so beyond tiresome at this point. 

When the board owner calls you out,  that should be an indication that it might be too much.  But alas, never sees it.

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2 hours ago, supermike80 said:

Even though I am not a Trump "guy" I do have concerns.

1) The student loan forgiveness.   I just don't see that being a good idea.  I also think it will create quite a problem for those who have paid them off, and in many cases suffered to do so.   I'm also concerned that the loan forgiveness will target only black colleges / universities.

2) Very large tax increases.   Now we all know Biden will eliminate Trump's tax breaks, which then doesn't qualify as a tax cut, but what else will be taxed? What other increases will we have to endure

3) Massive increases in illegal immigration and the drain on the system to support it.  Biden has already said he wants to find a path to citizenship for the 11 million undocumented immigrants here.   What a path to citizenship means hasn't been defined to my knowledge by his administration, but we will see.   I'm 100% ok with immigrants having a legal path to citizenship and being contributing members of society, however I fear they could be a huge drain on our welfare system.

4) I'm worried about him dying in office, or a significant diminishing of his mental capacities.  Not because of Kamala, but more because I think it makes us look weak.  

 

None of this could happen, but these are a few of mine.


Assuming the GOP wins at least one of the Georgia elections, I don’t think 1 or 2 will happen. 
 

And even if the Dems win both, I’m skeptical 1 will ever happen. Maybe that’s wishful thinking. I agree it’s a bad idea. 

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1 minute ago, whoknew said:


Assuming the GOP wins at least one of the Georgia elections, I don’t think 1 or 2 will happen. 
 

And even if the Dems win both, I’m skeptical 1 will ever happen. Maybe that’s wishful thinking. I agree it’s a bad idea. 

Hasn't it been discussed that #1 could happen with an executive order?

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Just now, whoknew said:

I missed that discussion if it did. How would that work?

Im still skeptical it will happen - but not 100% sure. 

I don't know all the details about how exactly.   I know Elizabeth Warren was convinced she could do it and promised she would cancel debt on her first day with an EO.   

Multiple Dems (Schumer, Warren, Sanders, AOC) have called on Biden to make this move.  

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My biggest fear is a lack of progress due to lots of issues that have been discussed/argued ad nauseam throughout this forum. It’s the same fear I have of every incoming President. It’s sad. 

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10 hours ago, TripItUp said:

List your biggest fears of a Biden Presidency here.

 

Here are mine

1) Small business devastation/economic recession

2) Erasing all of Trump's progress made with restoring the middle class

3) Harmful trade agreements

4) Not standing up to China

5) Policy that moves us closer to Euro-style socialism

 

 

Are these fears or predictions?

 

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2 hours ago, supermike80 said:

Even though I am not a Trump "guy" I do have concerns.

1) The student loan forgiveness.   I just don't see that being a good idea.  I also think it will create quite a problem for those who have paid them off, and in many cases suffered to do so.   I'm also concerned that the loan forgiveness will target only black colleges / universities.

2) Very large tax increases.   Now we all know Biden will eliminate Trump's tax breaks, which then doesn't qualify as a tax cut, but what else will be taxed? What other increases will we have to endure

3) Massive increases in illegal immigration and the drain on the system to support it.  Biden has already said he wants to find a path to citizenship for the 11 million undocumented immigrants here.   What a path to citizenship means hasn't been defined to my knowledge by his administration, but we will see.   I'm 100% ok with immigrants having a legal path to citizenship and being contributing members of society, however I fear they could be a huge drain on our welfare system.

4) I'm worried about him dying in office, or a significant diminishing of his mental capacities.  Not because of Kamala, but more because I think it makes us look weak.  

 

None of this could happen, but these are a few of mine.

Some of this seems reasonable...and at least gives rational reasoning for why they are fears.  This was my complaint with the OP when complaining about al ack of policy...then makes a fear based thread without real policy discussion...just, I fear undoing Trump's progress (where I would disagree there was actually any progress).

Student loan forgiveness...any sweeping change would end up being EO I would guess...(pending what goes on in GA).  McConnell is not letting that through.  And even then, his changes don't seem very sweeping.  Phasing out over a certain income level...it also seems to not target only HBCUs but includes them.  Im not sure what problem is causes for people who did pay off federal student loans other than being annoyed with a "why them and not me" attitude?

Tax increases...on very high wage earners I see that happening or at least trying to happen.  Both with repeal/expiring of Trump's tax cuts on the upper class and additional tax hikes to the very high wage earners.  I don't fear that.  I think it is needed because I don't think we can keep cutting our way our of the debt we have put ourselves in.  We know congress and POTUS won't likely cut spending..so cutting revenue while increasing spending has been increasingly bad for the country.

A path to citizenship...I don't think would make mass increase in illegal immigration.  I think immigrants have long been contributing members of a society and a net positive.  I and others have linked studies showing as much.  Much of his path is reinstating DACA and going likely where Pelosi, Schumer and Trump had a deal already...before Miller got in Trump's ear and he called them back and backed out of the deal long ago.  Likely spending less resources on a wall and more on frankly looking at the actual problem and what leads people to fleeing their country's to come here.  What are those economic reasons and what we can do to help.  No, not just free foreign aid everywhere...but reform for sure.

I think the die in office and mental health part is pretty overblown...Im no more worried about him dying in office than I was Trump.  Also don't think he makes us look weak at all...I think the way we look worldwide has already changed in a positive way by him winning office.

 

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I fear Biden feels he has a mandate and over-Reaches on pet left wing issues like gun control, abortion, higher taxes, reparations, and onerous climate legislation.  

I hope he focuses on middle ground issues and stays out of the Middle East.  
 

Good thread.  It’s sad to see it got spammed as soon as it was started.  Not surprising.  

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47 minutes ago, whoknew said:


Assuming the GOP wins at least one of the Georgia elections, I don’t think 1 or 2 will happen. 
 

And even if the Dems win both, I’m skeptical 1 will ever happen. Maybe that’s wishful thinking. I agree it’s a bad idea. 

Schumer has said student loan forgiveness could happen with an exec order. It should be one of Biden’s top priorities. It would make an enormous impact for tens of millions. 

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3 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

I fear Biden feels he has a mandate and over-Reaches on pet left wing issues like gun control, abortion, higher taxes reparations, and onerous climate legislation.  

I hope he focuses on middle ground issues and stays out of the Middle East.  
 

Good thread.  It’s sad to see it got spammed as soon as it was started.  Not surprising.  

What specific things do you believe he'll try to "do"?  Let's assume we maintain status quo with GOP lead Senate, DEM lead house.  His climate proposals are out there for everyone to see...which ones do you consider "onerous"?  And what do you mean by the phrase "tax reparations"?

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3 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

I fear Biden feels he has a mandate and over-Reaches on pet left wing issues like gun control, abortion, higher taxes reparations, and onerous climate legislation.  

I hope he focuses on middle ground issues and stays out of the Middle East.  
 

Good thread.  It’s sad to see it got spammed as soon as it was started.  Not surprising.  

Actual question - What could Biden do on gun control and abortion that wouldn't be fast tracked to the 6-3 conservative supreme court? I think it might actually be to your advantage if he did try and overreach as this seems like the ideal time to challenge that stuff.

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8 hours ago, John Maddens Lunchbox said:

He loses the House in 2022.

I wouldn't call it 'fear,' but this is my greatest concern. Especially if Georgia goes the way I think it goes and sends McConnell back to his obstructionist ways.

3 minutes ago, Capella said:

Schumer has said student loan forgiveness could happen with an exec order. It should be one of Biden’s top priorities. It would make an enormous impact for tens of millions. 

And I think priorities like this will increase the likelihood of such a whiplash. I don't fault anyone who may think this is the right thing to do, but I think it would be a mistake because it would play poorly in midterms.

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8 minutes ago, Capella said:

Schumer has said student loan forgiveness could happen with an exec order. It should be one of Biden’s top priorities. It would make an enormous impact for tens of millions. 

 

I think its a terrible idea. It doesn't make sense. I don't know if this is a distraction to this thread but - 

If you want to help people who are hurting - then help them. But don't blankelty help college grads. In general, college grads are more well off than non-college grads. Its just a very strange group to have blanket assistance for.

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10 minutes ago, The Commish said:

What specific things do you believe he'll try to "do"?  Let's assume we maintain status quo with GOP lead Senate, DEM lead house.  His climate proposals are out there for everyone to see...which ones do you consider "onerous"?  And what do you mean by the phrase "tax reparations"?

Misplaced a comma.  
 

I have no interest in an electric vehicle that cannot meet the normal demands of everyday life in middle America.  I think many will agree with that.  
 

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14 minutes ago, mrip541 said:

Actual question - What could Biden do on gun control and abortion that wouldn't be fast tracked to the 6-3 conservative supreme court? I think it might actually be to your advantage if he did try and overreach as this seems like the ideal time to challenge that stuff.

Taxing ammo to the point nobody can afford it has been brought up as a way to circumvent gun control    

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10 minutes ago, whoknew said:

 

I think its a terrible idea. It doesn't make sense. I don't know if this is a distraction to this thread but - 

If you want to help people who are hurting - then help them. But don't blankelty help college grads. In general, college grads are more well off than non-college grads. Its just a very strange group to have blanket assistance for.

I never said you couldn’t help other people too. I’m all for it. Let’s go. 

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23 minutes ago, Capella said:

Schumer has said student loan forgiveness could happen with an exec order. It should be one of Biden’s top priorities. It would make an enormous impact for tens of millions. 

I’m actually on board with this or a plan to help students from indentured servitude. The system needs addressing and the university/college money machines need to be addressed. Do t know the answer but the fairytale sold to kids early in high school needs to change. I’m all for giving people a chance to buy a chance to live the dream 

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26 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

I fear Biden feels he has a mandate and over-Reaches on pet left wing issues like gun control, abortion, higher taxes, reparations, and onerous climate legislation.  

I hope he focuses on middle ground issues and stays out of the Middle East.  
 

Good thread.  It’s sad to see it got spammed as soon as it was started.  Not surprising.  

Challenging people is not spamming..

As for your fears...what type of overreach do you see for abortion?  I ask that honestly...do you believe he expands abortion beyond where it already is?   What about him has ever indicated abortion would be a big fear as it is already legal.

He can't stay out of the middle east with what is going on in Iran right now.

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9 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Misplaced a comma.  
 

I have no interest in an electric vehicle that cannot meet the normal demands of everyday life in middle America.  I think many will agree with that.  
 

So, if I am understanding you correctly things you have no interest in are included under the label of "over-Reaches"?  Speaking specifically on the vehicle issue, we know Trump has rolled back some of the regulation.  Are you bothered by every single US automaker saying that they are continuing to strive for the mark Obama created?  All of them are moving forward on this new frontier.  

Honestly, I don't have any interest in vehicles that can't meet normal demands either.  I am unaware of a single car company whose goal is to not meet the demands of their customers.  I think it's safe to change your second sentence to "I think everyone will agree with that".  What makes you think that's their goal exactly?  It's almost like you're trying to create a condition that no one is talking about being a condition and attacking it because the actual existing conditions aren't attackable.  Perhaps I am missing something?

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12 hours ago, TripItUp said:

List your biggest fears of a Biden Presidency here.

 

Here are mine

1) Small business devastation/economic recession

2) Erasing all of Trump's progress made with restoring the middle class

3) Harmful trade agreements

4) Not standing up to China

5) Policy that moves us closer to Euro-style socialism

 

 

Awesome thread, thank you.

For #1, what sort of policy would cause this?  Are your concerns the ACA?

Regarding #3, can you show some examples of helpful trade agreements?

COMPLETELY AGREE WITH #4!!

For #5, can explain this a little more?  What does this look like?

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10 hours ago, John Maddens Lunchbox said:

My biggest fears of a Biden Presidency:

1) He dies in Office. For numerous reasons. 

2) He loses the House in 2022.

Right wing media/commentators are going to be brutal on him. What else is new. It would be nice if we had a President that had the respect of both sides. I honestly don’t think we’ve had that since GHW Bush

This would be really nice.  However, my gut tells me there will need to be a tremendous amount of compromise needed.  Obama unfortunately left too many people behind.

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10 hours ago, SoBeDad said:

I am fearful of the first recession under a democrat in over 16 years, but not for the reasons you think. Biden's plan to increase taxes on large corporations and the wealthy could lead to a small decrease in GDP. This would just be good fiscal policy.  But at some point, we have to pay the piper - that would be the case under any administration. 

Based on gun and ammo sales, many are fearful of more restrictions under Biden. At least that's what the gun industry is promoting as sales soar pre and post-election, and post each mass killing.

Based on conversations with some Cubans and Nicaraguans in my orbit, there is a fear of socialism & communism like exists in those countries. Socialism would actually come after Biden is incapacitated and replaced by Kamala.  That fear has been stoked on WhatApp, FaceBook, local radio and the like. Interesting that the largest markets for Obamacare in the entire country are in Hialeah, Little Havana and Westchester (~west Miami), as many immigrants don't have company provided health care for themselves or their adult children.

 

 

There have been some manufactures in the US who have had to shut down.  This is an area I would love to see boom again.  This is also an area where I think tariffs on importing could go a long way.

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1 hour ago, Capella said:
2 hours ago, whoknew said:


Assuming the GOP wins at least one of the Georgia elections, I don’t think 1 or 2 will happen. 
 

And even if the Dems win both, I’m skeptical 1 will ever happen. Maybe that’s wishful thinking. I agree it’s a bad idea. 

Schumer has said student loan forgiveness could happen with an exec order. It should be one of Biden’s top priorities. It would make an enormous impact for tens of millions. 

I dont disagree with the concept, but its not solving a problem, its passing the buck.  The problem which needs solving is the broken higher education system.  If we simply forgive loans it will empower future enrollees to think they will also get a free ride.  It will also incentivize universities to keep tuition high as Uncle Sam will end up footing the bill.

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1 hour ago, HellToupee said:
1 hour ago, Capella said:

Schumer has said student loan forgiveness could happen with an exec order. It should be one of Biden’s top priorities. It would make an enormous impact for tens of millions. 

I’m actually on board with this or a plan to help students from indentured servitude. The system needs addressing and the university/college money machines need to be addressed. Do t know the answer but the fairytale sold to kids early in high school needs to change. I’m all for giving people a chance to buy a chance to live the dream 

Agree.  I would like to incentivizese trade workers.

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3 minutes ago, JAA said:

There have been some manufactures in the US who have had to shut down.  This is an area I would love to see boom again.  This is also an area where I think tariffs on importing could go a long way.

Isn’t this a feature of the market?  Firms that are unable to compete will go out of business in any industry.  To the extent that we use the Federal Govt to tip the scales, it seems most wise to encourage car manufacturers that design/produce the cars of the future, as opposed to enacting tariffs to keep dirty car manufacturers on life support for a few years longer. 

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11 minutes ago, JAA said:

I dont disagree with the concept, but its not solving a problem, its passing the buck.  The problem which needs solving is the broken higher education system.  If we simply forgive loans it will empower future enrollees to think they will also get a free ride.  It will also incentivize universities to keep tuition high as Uncle Sam will end up footing the bill.

The government should be footing the bill for higher education and trade schools. Incentivize people to go learn a trade or get an education, don’t saddle them with life crippling debt and you’ll see the benefits pour into the economy long-term. More people buying houses, spending money on travel or other local items and/or investing in the market. It’s a total no-brainer. 

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10 hours ago, John Maddens Lunchbox said:

My biggest fears of a Biden Presidency:

1) He dies in Office. For numerous reasons. 

2) He loses the House in 2022.

Right wing media/commentators are going to be brutal on him. What else is new. It would be nice if we had a President that had the respect of both sides. I honestly don’t think we’ve had that since GHW Bush

This is what I came in here to post.  Not trying to be morbid or anything, just that Biden is objectively an old man and his odds of dying in office are higher than normal.  I see Biden as being especially well-suited for the "return to normalcy" that I'm hoping for, and I worry that Harris isn't as well-positioned to serve that same role.  Having a president die in office would also probably be highly toxic in our current environment.

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5 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:

This is what I came in here to post.  Not trying to be morbid or anything, just that Biden is objectively an old man and his odds of dying in office are higher than normal.  I see Biden as being especially well-suited for the "return to normalcy" that I'm hoping for, and I worry that Harris isn't as well-positioned to serve that same role.  Having a president die in office would also probably be highly toxic in our current environment.

This is fair. As someone who would actually prefer Harris to Biden, I can see how Biden will play as less scary to FoxNews viewers, and thus perhaps we can lower the temperature for at least a couple of years before the next generation of Dems take over and the fear mongering gets back out of hand.  

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